Putting hair up?
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Topic: Putting hair up?
Posted By: Johlis
Subject: Putting hair up?
Date Posted: June 14 2004 at 3:20am
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Hello, everyone. I'm having a bit of a hair dilemma here that I was hoping to get some advice on. My hair is currently just barely past shoulder-length, and I'm trying to grow it out. The problem is that since I don't like the way my hair looks down right now, and don't have much time in the mornings to get ready, I always wear it up (in a bun, or with hairpins, etc.). Is constantly wearing it up going to cause excess breakage/damage to my hair? What are the best ways to minimize it? |
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Posted By: Viktoria
Date Posted: June 14 2004 at 11:34pm
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Iīm no expert, but it seems to me that if you donīt pull your hair heavily from the scalp, keeping it away from your shoulders should rather protect your hair during the growing out fase. I practically always wear mine up, and I havenīt noticed any damage from *that*. And wearing it up a lot usually means you can go easier on the whole washing process, which probably is a lot more damaging. ------------- The more you complain, the longer God lets you live. |
Posted By: hairalways
Date Posted: June 15 2004 at 7:23am
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I was just thinking about this a few hours ago when I was pulling my hair up into the pony it would hang in all day. I live in FL, so it is a survival tactic to pull the hair off of the body. You know, to prevent from dying of heat stroke! Here's my take on this. I pull may hair into the sam spot pretty much every time I pull it up, so there is really only one major area of my hair that is being pressed on by the band - one stress point. This stress point is about 1/2 inch in width. Well, hair grows 1/2 inch or so per month, so i figure I am only putting stress on that point for 1 month...then it moves down and I am on to the next 1/2 inch of virgin hair! maybe that's why my hair looks smoother above the pony....hmmm. Jacqui ------------- |
Posted By: Elissa
Date Posted: June 15 2004 at 8:08am
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I think if you don't pull it "up" too tightly, you should be all right. I wear my hair up a lot and it's not damaged as a result. Be especially careful with ponytail holders. Make sure they're soft and covered. Don't use regular rubber bands, nor those old fashioned ponytail holders with the metal on them--your hair can get stuck in there and rip (mine always did). -------------  [/url]
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Posted By: DaveDecker
Date Posted: June 16 2004 at 4:55pm
Welcome Johlis! Thanks for posting your question.  A few additional thoughts... vary your do's. Braid, then bun, then pony, and so on. Also, pin or secure at different spots so the same spot doesn't always receive the stress of the hair-holding accessory. ------------- |
Posted By: Viktoria
Date Posted: June 16 2004 at 6:00pm
| Iīve noticed some long haired people donīt give up the rubberband when they do the bun, even when the hair is long enough to bun without first doing a ponytail. Really, it takes less and less to secure the bun as the hair gets longer, even if itīs heavy and shiny and slippery like mine. Itīs all about technique and the less hairpins and such you need, the less stress youīll put on your hair. |
Posted By: kab
Date Posted: June 16 2004 at 7:41pm
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Just another tip---instead of using a rubber band or elastic, use a cloth-covered "scrunchie" to hold the pony tail before arranging it into a bun. It will pump up the size of the bun and you will have some extra places to tuck hair in while at the same time using fewer pins. ------------- |
Posted By: Elissa
Date Posted: June 18 2004 at 7:59am
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I agree, scrunchies are GREAT for making buns. My hair is pretty thick, and I can do a nice high bun with only two scrunchies, eliminating pins completely! ------------- [/url]
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Posted By: Gollan
Date Posted: June 18 2004 at 8:31am
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y hair is pretty thick, and I can do a nice high bun with only two scrunchies, eliminating pins completely!Posted By: Elissa
Date Posted: June 18 2004 at 12:50pm
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1. I make a ponytail with a scrunchie, wrapping the scrunchie twice. This can be done low at the neck (for a chignon-type bun), at the middle of the back of the head or on top of the head for the highest bun. 2. Then I take the ponytail and wrap it around the scrunchie, making it into a circle or "O" flat against my head (you may have to do this 2 or 3 times or more depending on the length and thickness of your hair. Twice works best for me). 3. Tuck ends under the circle and secure with the 2nd scrunchie, again you may need to wrap the scrunchie 2 or 3 times to keep the bun from falling apart. For any shorter pieces that fall out, you can either encourage them to curl or wave, or secure them with flat clips. It's hard to write instructions--I hope I've conveyed this ok. It's really really easy! ------------- [/url]
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Posted By: Gollan
Date Posted: June 18 2004 at 2:26pm
Elissa, thanks! Those are the clearest bun instructions I've ever read. Seriously. Now I just have to get some scrunchies  .------------- |
Posted By: arch94
Date Posted: June 18 2004 at 4:04pm
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I know i'm not very popular here, but I do have a legitimate question about this thread... Do they make scrunchies for guys? My wife used to use them before she cut hers short, and the ones she used don't seem like they'd look right for a man. Again, I'm not being sarcastic or sexist. Would a guy just use a color appropriate for a man? Curious observer this time. ------------- We all know what opinions are like...and I've got both! |
Posted By: Bob S
Date Posted: June 18 2004 at 4:25pm
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YES!!! Do whatever it takes to get past the difficult stages. I LOVE updos! Good luck! Bob
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Posted By: Viktoria
Date Posted: June 18 2004 at 5:52pm
Not only guys shy away from pink scrunchies. I would never use any accessory that was not brown, black or made of silver, copper or dark wood in my hair. There are lots of cool, elegant stuff out there that does not look "girly" and would suit a man just fine, one just has to look for it. Itīs what I shop for when I travel. ------------- The more you complain, the longer God lets you live. |
Posted By: Gollan
Date Posted: June 18 2004 at 7:45pm
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Posted By: Elissa
Date Posted: June 19 2004 at 5:32am
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I prefer them to be plain and black or navy myself. ------------- [/url]
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Posted By: DaveDecker
Date Posted: June 19 2004 at 8:18am
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The technical (?) term for the hair-holding device I use at the base of my ponytail/braid is a terrycloth-covered elastic. I also use "Ouchless" No Metal Clasps from Goody to tie off the end of my braid. I also have a Native-American inspired ponytail hair tie which is decidedly masculine-looking. ------------- |
Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: September 16 2004 at 4:24am
| Does anyone know how to tie up long hair in a bun without using any hair ties, pins etc? I've seen people and some celebrities do it and i've wanted to as it saves me the trouble of having to search for a hair tie every morning. |
Posted By: Viktoria
Date Posted: September 16 2004 at 6:42pm
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I have only seen that done once, by an actress with curly, whiteblond and, I think, rather thin hair. It looked wonderful, I think she just did a knot with it. Sooo cool! It wouldnīt work for me, my hair is too heavy and slippery. ------------- The more you complain, the longer God lets you live. |
Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: September 17 2004 at 2:50pm
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My hair is just past classic length, and I am able to pull it up without pins or "scrunchies". It is rather thin though, compared to many people's hair, and a bit wavy. I pull my hair back as though I am going to make a pony tail, then I twist the hair a little and turn it into a bun, then wrap the ends under the bun (does that make sense?) A lady from India showed me how to do it years ago and I am forever grateful to her.
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Posted By: Layla
Date Posted: September 28 2004 at 2:44pm
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What is classic length? ------------- Type: 3c/4a Natural Current Length: 6" Goal: Healthy, tip of nose /neck/shoulder length hair. BC: 02/08/06 |
Posted By: AnaisSatin
Date Posted: September 28 2004 at 5:35pm
| Classic length is all the way down to the crease at the end of your bum. Where bum becomes thigh. I think it was originally supposed to be the length of Golden Proportion (approx 62%) for the body height. It's supposed to be the most eye-appealing and aesthetically pleasing length for hair. and ... IT'S MY HAIR GOAL!!! WHOOPEEE! |
Posted By: Viktoria
Date Posted: September 29 2004 at 2:51pm
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Ah, yes, AnaisSatin - Iīm so with you here! There is something about the beauty of classical lenght that makes the quest for it almost a religious/spiritual aesthetic journey. Like an act of reverence for natural/godgiven beauty. And I feel like what is standing in my way is civilization and the effects of it: pollution, dry indoor air, stress, chemichals, denutritionized foods, fashion, general peer pressure idiotia, etc. This forum, however, is a haven from all that. Maybe itīs the full moon - I feel more emotional today...  |
Posted By: AngelFace
Date Posted: September 30 2004 at 7:45pm
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first off, i'd like to say that, yes, scrunchies are way easier on the hair than rubberbands, but my friends would laugh me off the planet if they ever saw me wearing one in public. okay, with that out of the way i'd like to give another alternative to wearing hair up without a ton of breakage. i'm a latina and a lot of us like to wear our hair very tight off our faces whether it's in a bun or a ponytail. naturally, this causes wispies and a lot of breakage in front after a while. what i realized could prevent this is parting your hair and then pulling it back instead of just gathering it all and pulling it straight back. i've been doing this for a while and my hair has really improved. sorry if someone said this already, i didn't really read all the replies *blushing* ..::vanessa::.. ------------- |
Posted By: korsakovhatt3
Date Posted: October 01 2004 at 7:31pm
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My hair is pretty long -- waist-length. It's very soft and silky, so I can't get it to stay in a high bun without a scrunchie, a chopstick or a pencil on hand. I can make a low bun (at the nape of the neck) quite securely without any hair holders. I twist the length of my hair tightly, then make a loop. I bring the end through the front of the loop, then around the back and through the front again. There are usually a few loose ends falling out, but I like how they look. I'm not sure if this would work as well on shorter hair -- I think that going through the loop twice is the key to securing it. ------------- My user name is WAY too long. Just call me Juliana. :-) |
Posted By: korsakovhatt3
Date Posted: October 01 2004 at 7:36pm
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On the subject of hair accessories for men -- I suggest soft suede covered pony tail holders. I use them almost everyday. I have them in a variety of shades from beige to dark brown. It looks good if you use a shade that blends with your hair colour. I'm a woman, but I think they would look great in a man's hair as well. ------------- My user name is WAY too long. Just call me Juliana. :-) |
Posted By: DaveDecker
Date Posted: October 03 2004 at 11:08am
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Hi korsakovhatt3 and vanessa - welcome! korsakovhatt3, I see that glimpse of "soft and silky" hair in your avatar photo. Is that yours? Very pretty. ------------- |
Posted By: korsakovhatt3
Date Posted: October 03 2004 at 2:14pm
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Hi Dave. That is my hair in the photo. Thanks for the compliment. Your hair, by the way, is spectacular. ------------- My user name is WAY too long. Just call me Juliana. :-) |
Posted By: DaveDecker
Date Posted: October 04 2004 at 5:39pm
Thank you very much! ------------- |
Posted By: eKatherine
Date Posted: October 09 2004 at 6:05pm
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I wear my hair up every day. When I do a braided 'do, I put the hair in a high pony first, but when I do a bun, I don't put it in a band at all. My hair is too heavy and slippery, so I couldn't possibly keep it up without any pins. I use lots of pins. The more pins, the more evenly distributed the weight and stress is across my scalp. Now it's gotten to the point that I can keep it up perfectly all day, with no urge to take it down. ------------- 
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Posted By: AnaisSatin
Date Posted: October 10 2004 at 1:44pm
| eKatherine, do you mean Amish pins? I'm thinking of getting a pack for experimentation... SOMETHING has got to work for this slippery hair. |
Posted By: Viktoria
Date Posted: October 10 2004 at 3:45pm
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You know guys, here is what I have found about slippery hair: If you plan to wear it up anyways, skip the conditioner. Thatīs what gives the hair all that slip, and thatīs nice for wearing it loose, but to wear it up, more friction is helpful. Thus the "second-day" preference by hairdressers doing ballgown hairstyles. I have even seen products that take slip away and dirty hair down, while the customer feels like sheīs getting a hairwash. There seems to be a lot of psychology involved here... Going without conditioner makes it a bit harder to comb, but once itīs done, itīs done, and it sits beautifully all day. ------------- The more you complain, the longer God lets you live. |
Posted By: PurpleBubba
Date Posted: October 10 2004 at 4:40pm
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I agree with Viktoria. Your hair might not have conditioner on it, but it won;t have other stuff on it either like spray. Sometimes giving your hair a day or two of rest from all products is good for it. Give it a chance to breathe (not literally but let air touch it) Remember less is more sometimes. ------------- 
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Posted By: AnaisSatin
Date Posted: October 10 2004 at 10:32pm
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That makes sense... I wish I could have both good slip and updoability. I went coneless once and it did give good updo hold. But the weather here is just so extreme, that I don't dare go coneless very often (hair dries like the Charles D.ickens). Anyone tried Amish pins? ------------- http://anaissatin.livejournal.com">  my LJ , 40 inches long
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Posted By: eKatherine
Date Posted: October 11 2004 at 7:27am
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Oh, gosh, if I didn't use conditioner in my hair, it would be lots shorter and all broken at the bottom. I don't use Amish hairpins, I use Bunheads, in both the medium and long lengths. You can get them at a dance supply shop. Lots of people have good luck with the Amish hairpins, but Bunheads are available to me locally. I also use the short hairpins you can get at the supermarket, the strong ones, not the fine ones. http://www.bunheads.com/producttext/3sizes_hairpins.html - http://www.bunheads.com/producttext/3sizes_hairpins.html "> Bunheads hairpins -------------
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Posted By: Viktoria
Date Posted: October 11 2004 at 8:53am
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Whatīs an Amish hairpin? Or a Bunhead, for that matter? I have ever only known the ordinary supermarket ones, that are bent in a deep u-shape and are a bit wavy. I did find longer ones at a special long hairdressers in Stockholm, but those pins are of poorer quality, alas. Arenīt Amish those religious sectpeople you see in that Harrison Ford movie (name? canīt remember)? Great picture, AnaisSatin! O god, you ALL have such fabulous hair! |
Posted By: DaveDecker
Date Posted: October 11 2004 at 1:56pm
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I'm with you, eKatherine. I once made the mistake of going without conditioner. Big mistake. My hair was unmanageable. Could not get a comb through it. (BTW, your hair is gorgeous!) Anais Satin, is that your beautiful hair in your avatar photo? Wow, so glossy! Feeling like showing a pic of your hair worn loose, Viktoria? ------------- |
Posted By: korsakovhatt3
Date Posted: October 11 2004 at 9:39pm
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I agree with you, Dave, I'd like to see Viktoria's hair loose. I'm sure it would be beautiful. I don't know what Amish hair pins are either. I keep my hair up securely with a wooden stick. I don't know if they have a proper name, but they're about 8 inches long, rounded and tapered to a pointed end. I have quite a few of them in different woods with bone and nacre inlays on the wide end. (I don't like hairpins; I like to be able to let my hair down quickly without having to pull out a bunch of pins.) I just put my hair in a bun (starting with a ponytail in a no-snag ponytail holder) and weave the stick in and out of the base of the ponytail to secure the bun. If I want a tighter bun I use the stick with a leather bun holder. ------------- My user name is WAY too long. Just call me Juliana. :-) |
Posted By: AnaisSatin
Date Posted: October 12 2004 at 9:45pm
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Thanks for the hair compliments everybody! (This is the first few days of having a hair photo online and such good juju from board members... and it was funny when a member mistook the half-up pic for a cat, so I switched it to a full bun! I thought that was soo hilarious and cute.) And FINALLY something keeps my hair up! Wavy, crimped, or corkscrew hairsticks!!!! Viktoria--from what I've seen of Amish pins, they're the kind that are bent in a U shape but have no crimping. They are 2-3 inches long and are supposed to be more durable than normal hair pins. Well eKatherine, I went on the Bunheads site (I see direct links don't work on HB anymore. It confused me for awhile) and those hair pins are fantastic : ) They also have a store locator.. and [dunn dun dunnnnn] there's a Dance store 3 minutes from my apartment! Off to buy hair pins... Thanks eKatherine! Anais ------------- http://anaissatin.livejournal.com"> my LJ , 40 inches long
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Posted By: Layla
Date Posted: October 13 2004 at 10:00am
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Your hair is so pretty ,Anais. I love it. ------------- Type: 3c/4a Natural Current Length: 6" Goal: Healthy, tip of nose /neck/shoulder length hair. BC: 02/08/06 |
Posted By: Viktoria
Date Posted: October 13 2004 at 5:02pm
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There seem to be so much fabulous hair accessories in the US! Not in Luleå, though. I hear you, Dave. For sure, my photo has been around too long. However, I donīt really have any pictures of my hair out - maybe because it seldom is. And it makes me nervous: last time I got caught in everything and almost made a torch of myself passing a lit candle. For a long haired person, Iīm strangely unaccustomed to wearing it... But if I get a nice picture eventually, youīll see it for sure. |
Posted By: AnaisSatin
Date Posted: October 13 2004 at 5:47pm
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Thanks Layla! ((hug)) Anais |
Posted By: korsakovhatt3
Date Posted: October 13 2004 at 11:35pm
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Viktoria, I know what you mean about making a torch of yourself. I once caught my hair on fire while walking past a lit candelabra. Do post a picture of your hair down though, if you can. I'm sure everyone would love to see it. Just stay away from open flame until you put your hair up again. ------------- My user name is WAY too long. Just call me Juliana. :-) |
Posted By: Suers
Date Posted: October 18 2004 at 10:44am
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Here is site with photos on how to make a bun. Note as well, this site shows masculine styles. http://gollan.pwaresearch.com/hp/bbbun.html - http://gollan.pwaresearch.com/hp/bbbun.html ------------- |
Posted By: Suers
Date Posted: October 18 2004 at 10:45am
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Here is site with photos on how to make a bun. Note as well, this site shows masculine styles. http://gollan.pwaresearch.com/hp/bbbun.html - http://gollan.pwaresearch.com/hp/bbbun.html |
Posted By: DaveDecker
Date Posted: October 19 2004 at 6:28pm
LOL. Maybe the pic was a bit too tightly cropped? ------------- |
Posted By: rosebud
Date Posted: October 30 2004 at 12:42am
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It keeps it away from heat & environmental elements. It's good in general to tie your hair. IF YOU HAVE THICK HAIR beware. I used to have long hair & its thick, curly. I started losing hair in the front cause i would tie it. It was too heavy. If your hair is thinner, you should be fine. |
Posted By: emilee
Date Posted: October 30 2004 at 1:52pm
and how does your hair stay like this? ..sounds like something i want to try. ------------- |