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Topic: licensing for extensions
Posted By: darthmom
Subject: licensing for extensions
Date Posted: January 20 2005 at 9:10am
I have been wracking my brain trying to think of a way to finance my way through school. I am a stay at home mom, and would hate to go to work in addition to school. I would never see my family. I was curious as to whether you need a cosmetology license to do extensions? I would assume so, but thought I would ask just in case I am wrong. Or do the various extension courses require one?



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Posted By: Amanda8beech
Date Posted: January 20 2005 at 9:14am
You don't need a licence unless it is a specific brand of hair extensions i.e. raccoon, you have to have nvq level2 in hairdressing before they will let you have a raccoon certificate. If you do something like shrinkies, there is no course for that at the moment so thus you would not need a licence. If you are creative and practice a lot you could be doing shrinkies with a couple of months, buy a manniquin head and practice on that and do some members of the family, test out which hair wears best and then when you're confident you can start on your clients. xxxx

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Posted By: darthmom
Date Posted: January 20 2005 at 9:18am
Ok, thanks. I am pleasantly surprised, I assumed it would fall under the strict guidelines for licensing that hair and nails does.



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Posted By: Amanda8beech
Date Posted: January 20 2005 at 9:29am
I think the only draw back with not having a licence is that you won't be able to get insurance so if you do something drastic to a client's hair then it will fall on your head, I'm going by UK so if things are different in USA I apologise xx

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Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: January 20 2005 at 11:39am
I know that you have to be licensed to purchase hair and supplies from both Great Length's and Hairloc's, and also have to be certified with them. I wanted to do them also, and since reading this board I have found out so much information as to wear to buy supplies and hair. I do know though that the State Board (in California anyway) is going to start cracking down on people doing extensions without being licensed. At least that's what I've heard. I guess alot of licensed beauticians are complaining to the State Board.


Posted By: darthmom
Date Posted: January 20 2005 at 12:08pm
It isn't like a serious consideration, just a fleeting thought. I am interested in learning how to do it, if not just for fun, but future use when/if I am licensed. I am seriously considering beaty school. I have had so much interest in reading these forums, and thinking about how much I would enjoy doing this.

I have been looking for a new hobby :) think I will find me a head and get crackin!

So shrinkies, eh? Is there like a kit or can anyone give me some basics to invest in. (Besides the bands, and heat clamp and hair)I am more of a hands on learner. I dont' want to sit here and read about it for months.

I did read that this is one of the easy to learn methods. Do yall agree?

What would be the least expensive hair to use, since it would just be practice, I wouldn't want to spend too much. thanks for any help given!

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Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: January 20 2005 at 12:09pm
In america, each state has it's own laws about if you need to be licensed to do extensions so you have to check with your state. different companies have different requirements to but there are lots of methods for people who arent licensed.


Posted By: darthmom
Date Posted: January 20 2005 at 12:16pm
Yeah, I decided if I was going to seroiusly consider it I would do just that, of course.

Should I not bother with the iron, and just use a simple flatiron? I have a very thin one already, and I did see in another thread it worked for someone. It is a conair, ceramic, and the smallest one I could find. If so, which temp should I have it set on?

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Posted By: sherrie215
Date Posted: January 20 2005 at 9:07pm
There has been mixed results with the flatiron. I for one had success in shrinking and removing them with a conair ceramic iron....but.... I havent worn any yet so the concern is if the shrinkie will actually hold. Yes my flatiron shrunk the shrinkie but whether or not my flatiron actually heated up enough to melt the adhesive inside the shrinkie is the question at this point. So as of right now, Id say buy the dual sided temp. controlled fusion wand from Doc Locks. Its about the best price Ive seen on one. There are cheaper ones around too, but it sounds like they may not get hot enough for shrinkies. I believe amm said they need to shrink at 150 C. My flat iron is only 170 F. So that is a serious temp. difference!

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Posted By: metalgirl
Date Posted: January 21 2005 at 2:06am
I agree that California State Board of Cosmetology is cracking down on unlicenced hair extensionists.

I have a friend who was unlicenced and doing weaves (track and sew method) out of her house, and someone turned her in and and she had to go to court and pay a fine.

About the Dr. lock's iron:

I posted yesterday that I emailed Dr.locks to inquire about the degree of heat thier iron puts out. They replied it was between 248 (f) to 356 (f). So I imagine that's how much heat you would need to completely shrink the shrinkie, right?



Posted By: darthmom
Date Posted: January 21 2005 at 12:08pm
Thanks for the other info.

I am now leaning towards microlinks. Going to order the kit and video off of drlinks. It seems SO much easier. And I feel safer, since no glue. Granted, I know they all have their dangers. It is a crap shoot. I feel comfortable starting with these though.

Thanks for all the advice :)

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Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: January 21 2005 at 12:30pm
Shaman,

You'll be better off ordering the kit from hairpiece.com, not drlocks.net. The "extendtubes" (what they're called on hairpiece.com) hold up better than Doc's version (although Doc is the one to order from if you want shrinkies).

Good luck! :)

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Posted By: darthmom
Date Posted: January 21 2005 at 1:21pm
ah! cool. thanks

..well I was just looking at kristens site, and realized her "kit" in the tutorial section is not anything I don't already have. Should I get the kit anyway, for the extentube remover??

also, I am thinking the bohyme silk and straight hair. Good choice?? I decided to go ahead with straight, since I am going to do the weave on top.

oh and also also (lol) how much should I get *minimum* for full head coverage? I thought I remembered seeing 4-5 oz as the amt, but not sure.


I hope doing this, and seeing the results is as much fun as researching it!! My butt will be in cosmetology school yesterday if so!!


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Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: January 21 2005 at 2:04pm
Well, you can use smooth needle-nose pliers to apply them and ridged ones to remove them; beyond that, you may want to purchase the needle, or you can simply use a template and wire. Either way, you should be able to work it out.

As far as the hair, silky straight Bohyme is a good choice--probably the best place to get it is ebonyline.com. Just keep in mind that it is fairly fine, silky hair; if you think it will blend OK, then try it. The good thing is that the hair does have some wave after washing, so you can wear it like that or straighten it via blowdrying or flaitron.

I'm not sure exactly what you're planning to do on top, though? Weaving or braiding? I'm still a little unclear on that part.

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Posted By: darthmom
Date Posted: January 21 2005 at 4:46pm
lol. well that's cause I dont know either

I want to see pics of us white chicks with the weave, because the only pictures I have seen so far is on african americans, so i want to be sure it will look alright on me, but assuming it does, it sounds great. And it will be easier to find an AA salon that does weaves than someone to do pinch braids (that is the same as open ended braids right)but i cant find anyone but Great Lengths here in florida. Anyway, thanks again :)

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Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: January 21 2005 at 5:51pm
By the way, pinchbraids are not the same as open-ended braids--two different things. I think I have the links to the tutorials on the Extensions 101 thread. Again, good luck! :)

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Posted By: saucyblossom
Date Posted: January 21 2005 at 10:33pm
FYI the law in California reads that hair extensionist do not need a license as long as they don't cut color or perm along with the service. It's in the following link (under D,2.)
It's : CALIFORNIA CODES
BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONS CODE
SECTION 7316-7320.4

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=36819016558+0+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve - http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=36819016558+0+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve



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Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: January 21 2005 at 10:37pm
Thanks, Saucy. That's interesting. So if you're not licensed in CA, you can apply a full head of fusion, but you can't trim off the ends? Insane! :)

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Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 11:39am
Hi there, I was reading your email regarding hair extensions. I am also a mother who wanted to work from home and i bought a hair extension kit. Luckily my mother is a hair dresser whom i live with, so once i do the extensions, my mother styles the hair and cuts it all nice or funky {depending on what the client wants}. Try shop 4 hair if you want to buy a kit. If you don't have any experience in hair cutting, then it may come as a problem for you as you may struggle to style the extensions.


Posted By: metalgirl
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 12:04pm
I have heard of that provision of the CA state law, but I'm telling you guys, my friend still did get in trouble. I think that this is the 'catch 22':

The law says that you can do this without a licence, and in fact that part is true because there is a lady in my area who works in a wig store and does weft bonding. She doen't cut the hair (she tells them she can't) so they leave looking like cousin It from the Munsters. To me that's totally unprofessional, but then again, she's not a professional!

Anyway, what my friend got in trouble for was working out of her home, which is not a licenced establishment. Now if your not licenced, it's hard to get a job in a salon. Most salons will not hire you without a licence, regardless of that provision of the state law. There are too many stylists out there with licences that they would hire before they'd choose to hire some one without one who has extreme limits on what services they can perform.

Perhaps some day that will change, but I as a professional who has spent good time and a lot of money on my education hopes that the State Board continues to 'crack down'.

Now if someone wants to do her girlfriend's hair extensions for no charge and doesn't pass herself off as a professional, that's fine with me.


Posted By: saucyblossom
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 12:24pm
I'm actually a high school teacher- I just wanted to know what kind of training a person had to have to be an extensionist. I put myself through college as a massage therapist. ------- But the gal that did my extensions , which I LOVE, is a regular cosmetologist who owns a full salon. But when she did my install, she didn't cut or style them. I thought that was just the way it was done. She told me not to let anyone cut them, because it's not like cutting hair that grows out of your head. But I ended up cutting my hair my self just because it was a little too long for me to manage and I wanted layers. It came out good. I'm sure she would have cut them if I asked her to.

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Posted By: saucyblossom
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 12:28pm
Oh and so now I am thinking of learning myself just so I can do maintenence on my self.

Also, I think you run a higher risk of getting in trouble if you work out of home no matter what business you are in . My mom was a licensed manicurist that worked out of our home for a short time and had some problems until she moved to her shop.

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Posted By: sherrie215
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 12:42pm
I know every state has differrent requirements for licenses for hair extensions. I have just sent off an email requesting information to the state cosmetology board here in Ohio. From what I have read for Ohio a cos. license is NOT required. but a natural stylist license is required. But that means NO cutting, coloring, etc....But Im not sure if that means no cutting coloring the natural hair, or if that means the extension hair also?? The legal mumbo jumbo is confusing trying to decifer the codes and rulings so hopefully I will get some good clear concise answers.

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Posted By: Bridget
Date Posted: January 23 2005 at 8:53am
sherrie, let me know what you find out about the natural stylist license.

also, I know if you're working out of your home (or any environment for that matter) it needs to be approved by the state.

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Posted By: zapevaj
Date Posted: January 23 2005 at 8:39pm
Saucy, thanks for that link! That's what I thought the CA law was, but wasn't sure (I'm in Illinois, but am considering moving to CA since I'm from there.)

One option that I think would work is, if you're in a state that says you can do extensions without a license but not out of your home, you could rent a space- like a loft or artist's workspace- do whatever it needs to get it up to health code (ventilation?), and then have the state approve it. Since you're not doing color or cuts, it doesn't have to shampoo bowls or whatever- just a chair, mirror, and whatever you need to do extensions. It might work!

-Rae

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Posted By: metalgirl
Date Posted: January 23 2005 at 9:04pm
Many times when you are doing extensions, you would need a sink to wash customer's hair. You need to wash with a clarifiying shampoo before you put them in, and that would be especially important before reapplication to wash the hair if you used any kind of oily substance to remove them.

I believe the work environment needs to meet State Board of Cosmetology standards. For example, here in CA, if the salon is in your home, you need to have a separate entrance other than your front door and you need to have a separate bathroom facility, separate from your family's bathroom. It also needs to be handicapped accessable. There are other details, which your State Board can provide you if you ask them.

You would also need a business licence for your city/county.


Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: January 23 2005 at 9:49pm
Just for curiosity, is it legal to be do hair (extensions and cutting) out of hotel rooms? :)

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Posted By: darthmom
Date Posted: January 23 2005 at 9:53pm
Originally posted by metalgirl metalgirl wrote:

I have heard of that provision of the CA state law, but I'm telling you guys, my friend still did get in trouble.


I am sure the others' believe you, I know I don't have any reason to think you are lying. The important part in this particular thread though, is whether she got it because she was operating a business without a license, OR because she was performing extensions without a license. It is actually two different things :)

Quote The law says that you can do this without a licence,


So then you know it is legal, at least, in your state...

Quote and in fact that part is true because there is a lady in my area who works in a wig store and does weft bonding. She doen't cut the hair (she tells them she can't) so they leave looking like cousin It from the Munsters.


And you know for a fact it IS legal to do. But I love the way you throw in that slam against those who can't cut. but, whatever.

Quote To me that's totally unprofessional, but then again, she's not a professional!


I have read account after account of people on here who have been f*ed over by so called "professionals" And then, today, I call my salon, and inquire into their new "safe" extensions.....and realize I know more than this "professional" does, and I have only been on these forums for 3 days. Difference is, I have a quest for the actual knowledge and the truth. Dont' give me that professional crap. Many of the people who come into you peoples' salons do fall for that, unfortunately, but not all of us do.

Don't get me wrong.

I know I am better off with a knowledgeable extensionist.

But I know that the two words are not inclusive.



Quote Anyway, what my friend got in trouble for was working out of her home, which is not a licenced establishment. Now if your not licenced, it's hard to get a job in a salon.


I am not sure what you thought of my initial post, but I wasn't anticipating some long term career in a hot salon without a cosmetology license. I was simply wondering if doing extensions was a possiblity for assisting my way for financing school.

Quote Most salons will not hire you without a licence, regardless of that provision of the state law. There are too many stylists out there with licences that they would hire before they'd choose to hire some one without one who has extreme limits on what services they can perform.


Well, I would hope they would hire who was best for each particular job. When and If I have my own salon, I guess I can be that judgemental...till then :)

Quote Perhaps some day that will change, but I as a professional who has spent good time and a lot of money on my education hopes that the State Board continues to 'crack down'.


AHHH I get it now (lol) are you bitter when you think that people would get more business than you because they don't have the "proper licensing" I am not being a *****, or being sarcastic, I am seriously asking.

You seem bitter.

Really.

I do understand, REALLY, if someone with the proper licensiing, and dedication is brushed under the rug by someone who isnt' as good as them, but in this situation.....The so called "professionals" aren't that. And many of them are very pricey and a long drive. If someone is a reasonable alternative, the customer has a right to choose them.



Quote Now if someone wants to do her girlfriend's hair extensions for no charge and doesn't pass herself off as a professional, that's fine with me.



Well, what if someone said, "you know what chickie, my hobby has given me more experience in this than that "professional" up the street who doesn't have a clue how to do anything that what she was "trained" to do. And, since I have already had enough practice, I charge a small amount of compensation.

OH, and, BTW, I don't have contracts that say A)you can't sue me
or

B)I won't refund you beyond the cost of supplies.


Is that wrong? No, I didn't think so.


I am SO not bashing *every* extensionist. I am just really kinda annoyed at the ones who abuse others' pocketbooks. And someone like you who thinks that everyone with a license is automatically "entitled" to the career, but god forbid someone like Jenny RR who seems to know more than and dozen extensionists randomly picked from any state wouldn't.

Hope I am not misunderstanding your attitude, and if so, I do apologize.

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Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: January 23 2005 at 10:49pm
I'm not going to comment on this drama, except to say that personally, I have no interest in doing anyone's extensions (maybe I'll write a book on it--LOL!--but I truly have no interest in doing them for a living).

That said, this thread is making me wonder whether there are any grants available to those who want to go to beauty school, especially for women who have children. I do think standard Pell Grants and such do apply to beauty school; I think I read it somewhere.

Perhaps I'm just wishful thinking, but it seems like there are state-sponsored programs for other kinds of continuing education. So why not for beauty school? It's a good profession, and something I think the government should encourage more people to look into. I, for one, heard plenty of rhetoric during the campaigns about careers for the 21st century and all that. Perhaps it's time to write to the Governator!

By the way, there was a girl on the GoingBlonde board who was posting for months and months and became very knowlegable about color (after having some disasters and successes with her own hair in the process). And now she's enrolled in beauty school.

Anyway, this is just a thought, but if anyone knows about any grants or loans or anything, that would be great information to have here. There have been several people posting who would jump at the opportunity, I think. :)

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Posted By: darthmom
Date Posted: January 23 2005 at 11:15pm
Originally posted by Jenny_RR Jenny_RR wrote:

I'm not going to comment on this drama, except to say that personally, I have no interest in doing anyone's extensions (maybe I'll write a book on it--LOL!--but I truly have no interest in doing them for a living).

That said, this thread is making me wonder whether there are any grants available to those who want to go to beauty school, especially for women who have children. I do think standard Pell Grants and such do apply to beauty school; I think I read it somewhere.

Perhaps I'm just wishful thinking, but it seems like there are state-sponsored programs for other kinds of continuing education. So why not for beauty school? It's a good profession, and something I think the government should encourage more people to look into. I, for one, heard plenty of rhetoric during the campaigns about careers for the 21st century and all that. Perhaps it's time to write to the Governator!

By the way, there was a girl on the GoingBlonde board who was posting for months and months and became very knowlegable about color (after having some disasters and successes with her own hair in the process). And now she's enrolled in beauty school.

Anyway, this is just a thought, but if anyone knows about any grants or loans or anything, that would be great information to have here. There have been several people posting who would jump at the opportunity, I think. :)


Not speaking from experience, but only second hand information....single mothers' have it made when it comes to opportunities for school assistance. Again, don't quote me on that, just know what I have seen with family and friends in that position.




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Posted By: sherrie215
Date Posted: January 23 2005 at 11:15pm
I think you are totally off base SqueezetheShaman. I reread the thread and didnt think anything metalgirl said was intended to be offense. She has been very helpful and contibuted lots of information to this site for the rest of us DIYers. I think that was totally wrong to categorize her into the "group" that you did. I could say more but I wont just because........

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Posted By: darthmom
Date Posted: January 23 2005 at 11:20pm
Originally posted by sherrie215 sherrie215 wrote:

I think you are totally off base SqueezetheShaman. I reread the thread and didnt think anything metalgirl said was intended to be offense. She has been very helpful and contibuted lots of information to this site for the rest of us DIYers. I think that was totally wrong to categorize her into the "group" that you did. I could say more but I wont just because........


Well, like I said, sorry if I was wrong. Don't get offended, I do agree, she seems to be a big help on these forums, and I didn't categorize her in that group, I pointed out that I noticed that group existed in the short time I have tried to get a grip on this topic.

If you want to say more, feel free. It is an open forum after all. I don't know you. I won't cry, I promise



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Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: January 23 2005 at 11:34pm
About single mothers and assistance, although there are definitely certain opportunities available, I think that what tends to happen is that the goverment offers rather generic courses such as "computer skills," "typing," or whatever at some training center, but the assistance doesn't necessarily apply to other pursuits that would be better vocations for many people.

I'm getting way off-topic here, but a few years ago, I was on unemployment for the first and only time, and it was a real learning experience. The people at the unemployment office tried to be helpful, and they do make certain resources available to you (like their computer center, fax machine, etc.), but because the system is so bureaucratic, they just don't have the resources to help you with your individual situation. And if you ever get an actual person on the phone, it's a miracle! In my case, I didn't need their computer or fax or their job-hunting help, but if I could've taken a course in, let's say, HTML or Photoshop or something, I totally would've taken advantage of it. To make a long story very long, I think the same thing often happens with institutionalized education.

Anyway, this was just my experience....

:)

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Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: January 23 2005 at 11:46pm
in my experience as a single mom at the time, there was not any help for me from the gov . but that was a while ago. did not have a family to help either.
i am not trying to preach here but just sharing. i fell into (or lead) a great church and they just so happened to have a love for single mothers. they helped me a lot babysitting and putting together money for career. i never did graduate HS but i did graduate beauty school and now 19 years later am working on some very famous heads of this country and others.sooooooo,maybe this could be another avenue to try.......
just a thought.
having your licence does help getting more business. qualified or not.


Posted By: metalgirl
Date Posted: January 24 2005 at 2:03am
To Squeeze the Shaman:

Yes, you did certainly misunderstand my previous post. I was simply describing what happened to a friend of mine regarding the licensing.

I am not bitter at all, and frankly I'm surprised that is what you surmised from my post.

I have a great extension business, and no I don't ever have anyone sign contracts, I would consider a refund to a client if the situation warranted it.

I have in fact spent my own money several times to repurchase hair for clients because the hair we ordered for them was a 'bad batch'.

If a client calls me and tells me some extensions fell out, I have her come in right away and I reapply them, for no charge. I always have my client's best interest in mind. I don't mark up hair at all and I don't charge really high prices for my service.

The state has to be able to regulate businesses in some way, that is the only sure way to protect the consumer.

So the real question is, why are you so bitter?


Posted By: metalgirl
Date Posted: January 24 2005 at 2:23am
Furthermore,

I think I will not participate in this forum any longer. I have only tried to be helpful to licensed extensionists and DIYers alike.

I have no agenda beyond helping and learning from other people's experience.

I feel badly for people who are so hostile and critical, because all that negative energy is not healthy.

Thanks and good bye to all the positive contributors to this forum.

I'll be on the Yahoo hair extension specialist board if anyone would actually like some reputable advice and insight from my years of experience wearing and doing extensions.


Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: January 24 2005 at 5:49am
Metalgirl,

I'm sorry this misunderstanding got so out of hand. I realize that you are offended, but I don't think you should go. You've been a tremendous help to everyone here, and I, for one, would really like it if you stayed.

Like Sherrie, I don't think you meant to insult or belittle anyone with your post. It is certainly better that people know the risks of operating illegal businesses before the state comes to shut them down! And I think that's all you were trying to illustrate here.

If you would prefer not to post here anymore, we'd all obviously understand and wish you the best, but for the record, I really think you should stay.

:)


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Posted By: sherrie215
Date Posted: January 24 2005 at 6:04am
Metalgirl, I for one appreciate your insight and knowledge and you willingness to share and contribute to this board. Please stay, this board has became a great resource over the past few months and you have been a part of that. I second Jenny and would like it if you'd stay and continue to be a valuable contibutor to this board.

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Posted By: Alyssa_
Date Posted: January 24 2005 at 6:07am
As far as financial assistance with schooling, etc., you might want to check with your local employment office. A few years back I was enrolled in a program through them that paid for my tuition and books for any degree that the 2-year college was offering, plus I got a small paycheck for the hours I spent in class. On top of this, I still qualified for and was able to keep any grants I received; it did not affect the amount paid by the unemployment office at all. The only downfall was that they required being in school full time, even during the summer, which might make things difficult if you are a single mom.

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Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: January 24 2005 at 8:11am
metal girl,
you have given valuable information to me as well. i agree with your thoughts on state regulation as well. please stay on and contribute.you are an important part of this forum and we need several experienced opinions on all topics.thats why i enjoy this forum.yes, there are some negative posts here, but that is life, we can not hide from that, just ignore the negative and know you are valued.


Posted By: darthmom
Date Posted: January 24 2005 at 8:48am
no no no metal girl! dont leave, let me! you are so wonderful here! I have a habit of speaking my mind in everything, and sounding like a ***** when it isn't the intention and I totally understand it sounded awful! I am an argumentative *****.

I spend a lot of time in heated debates, and it carried over here, please don't leave, I will sweetie. Really, you are a help here, I am not.

I am so sorry, sweetie, really. I didn't mean to offend you.


Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: January 24 2005 at 5:40pm
Shaman,

I don't think you should leave either. Obviously, you misinterpreted what MetalGirl meant, and you've apologized for that.

We should all just keep this sort of thing in mind as we post going forward. I don't think anyone means to offend anyone else, but sometimes when we're stressing a point, it can be misunderstood as attitude; usually it's not attitude at all. People have misunderstood me as being too negative before too, when I was only trying to help others avoid the same mistakes I've made.

Anyway, I think you should both stay. MetalGirl always offers wonderful insights and advice, and you've become a very active, involved member in a short time. I think there's room for everyone here.

:)

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Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: January 24 2005 at 6:22pm
Metalgirl, Jenny, Bridget, Amm, Emma.... You all have wonderful insight, experience,& knowledge to share.So whether licensed or DiY... THAT IS WHAT THIS FORUM IS FOR!!!!
Personally, I am licensed. Yes regulations need to be set. Otherwise a DiY may think she's got it, But when she really doesn't she will have to seek help from a schooled profesional to correct any mishaps. You could relate that situation to all aspects of life...ie..You worked on your car but didn't solve the problem or even worse created more trouble. I see this everyday when someone colors or hilights their own hair...and it's a tragic mess! That is why you maintain a relationship with your stylist. An honest stylist will truly keep her client's best interest at heart as well as her workmanship. IT'S CALLED PRIDE!
So... maybe things got out of hand. Hope no love is lost. May I quote Erykah Badu..."Keep in mind I'm an Artist and I'm sensitive about my sh**..."


Posted By: zapevaj
Date Posted: January 27 2005 at 1:56am
Originally posted by crackahead crackahead wrote:

May I quote Erykah Badu..."Keep in mind I'm an Artist and I'm sensitive about my sh**..."


Ha! I love Erykah Badu.

I think standards need to be set too, but I think a lot of states don't have a good handle on the extensions vs. cosmetology thing, and how they're different. I don't necessarily agree in letting whoever wants to call themselves an extensionist, but on the other hand I think making extensionists get licensed (when they don't want to do cosme work) is prohibitive and anti-business and illogical and a lot of other things. I really liked what I heard about Florida, which may have just been a rumor, where they instituted a "braider's license". This license is a short class (15 hours; about a weekend's worth) where they learned public health and safety, sanitation, hair and scalp conditions, etc. It still doesn't teach people actual skills, but that'd be hard since there are so many different techniques and methods of braiding and extending. It basically says, "Okay, we know we don't know enough about what you guys do to regulate it, but we'll at least teach you good health practices and then let you do your own thing." Which I think is a way better approach than many other states are taking.

-Rae

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Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: January 27 2005 at 6:06am
Although I agree with you, Crackahead, on several points, I have to take issue with something you said:
Yes regulations need to be set. Otherwise a DiY may think she's got it, But when she really doesn't she will have to seek help from a schooled profesional to correct any mishaps. You could relate that situation to all aspects of life...ie..You worked on your car but didn't solve the problem or even worse created more trouble. I see this everyday when someone colors or hilights their own hair...and it's a tragic mess! That is why you maintain a relationship with your stylist.

I had two professional, licensed stylists trash my hair, and believe me, I could've done a better, less-damaging DIY job myself. When I ran into trouble with these licensed professionals, I turned to the DIYers for help! So it works both ways.... :)

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Posted By: Kalika
Date Posted: January 27 2005 at 10:54am
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people are too sensitive on here :)

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Posted By: zapevaj
Date Posted: January 27 2005 at 10:00pm
Word.

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Posted By: EmmaSkye
Date Posted: January 28 2005 at 1:15am
In May of 2003 I enrolled in my local community college. I would say that most of my classmates are single parents, male and female. How they go to school, work and take care of a family is beyond me and I give them high marks for doing it.

In Colorado you apply for your grants from the government and their given out according to income. The lower your income, the more you get. I know people who are going to go all the way through college on grants and not have to pay anything back when they graduate. Because Im married I dont qualify for but a pittance. The rest I take out in student loans. After tuition and books are paid I get a check from the college for living expenses. I have averaged about $3000 per semester since I started and let me tell you that has kept out butts out of the fire on more than one occassion. Of course Im going to have to pay it all back after I graduate but I consider it a small price to pay for getting an education and assistance.

If beauty colleges are acredited by the state you can qualify for government grants and even student loans.

Let me tell you ladies something....I started college at the age of 40 and I was scared toooooo death. Ive been home with my kids since they were born, and the thoughts of sitting in a classroom freaked me out, but now that Im close to graduating Im soooo very glad I did it. There are so many government grants out there available to women and scholarships galore. If there is something you truly want to do, then there is a way to get it done.

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Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: January 29 2005 at 2:01am
Please, I take none of this personally. HONESTLY! This forum is subject to everyone's opinion(and just like a##holes everyones got one!!!)
Jenn, I agree with you! I work with "professionals"
who feed their clients a plate of crap to compinsate for their lack of ability. Again this applies to all types of services(color,cuts,anything they won't own up to) That is unfortunate in our industry. People like those you've dealt with misrep. the rest of us in the industry who honestly have passion and integrity. Like I said before, you have to trust your gut and the relationship with your stylist.
With that said Jenn and for several others on this forum...All you DIYs have schooled me and you Know your stuff. So, by you sharing your knowledge you've directed people out of harms way and advised them to ask questions and know what they are getting themselves into! That helps the honest people in my industry Thanks Again all... No love lost!!!!!


Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: January 29 2005 at 5:57am
That's cool. I definitely wasn't at all offended by your post; I don't take it personally. I was just pointing out about the "professionals" thing, because there seems to be such a great disparity between the skills and integrity of some extensionists compared to others. That's why I always tell people if they're not happy with their stylists, they should find someone else--it takes a few tries sometimes.

No love lost at all. :)

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