Tangles! HELP!!
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Topic: Tangles! HELP!!
Posted By: MoNiCaxOC
Subject: Tangles! HELP!!
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 10:39am
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Hi. MY HAIR GETS SO TANGLED! I have 2-week old fusion extensions. The hair I got was supposedly really high quality (some name like Damon & Darber ??? anyone know?) but I look like a freakin lion it gets so tangley. I use a lot of conditoner on the end when I wash it and I use Biosilk and shine spray. Yet even if I'm just sitting it seems to get tangled and poofy. My fiance it always patting my hair down when we go out now because he says it is frizzy and sticking up. What in the world is going on?? Any (inexpensive) suggestions to help this?? Maybe it's just because my hair is so long and thick now?? When I first got them they were soft like my real hair and I could aways run my fingers through it and now if I'm not careful I'll pull the extension out along with my hair at the roots (I've done that about 5 times now - it freakin hurts!) HELP!! ------------- This is because I can spell konfusion with a K It's hard to like it It's to dying in anothers arms And why i had to try it... - Something Corporate "Konstantine" |
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Posted By: Amanda8beech
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 10:49am
| Did you get them done at a salon chick, sounds like silicone coated hair to me, with you saying it was lush to begin with and now its tangling, otherwise, I'd do a treatment on it.xx |
Posted By: maliburum
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 10:56am
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what type of treatment would you suggest for tangly hair? ------------- |
Posted By: MoNiCaxOC
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 11:02am
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No I did not get it done at a salon - it was by a friend of my sister-in-law who is only 16 - she is just learning how to do it. It is real human hair. It it still soft but it just gets totally tangled on it's own (literally - I sit here all day at work doing nothnig and it gets tangled out of nowhere!!). What kind of treatment do you mean?? ------------- This is because I can spell konfusion with a K It's hard to like it It's to dying in anothers arms And why i had to try it... - Something Corporate "Konstantine" |
Posted By: MoNiCaxOC
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 11:44am
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And does anyone have any idea what brand of hair I am talking about?? It's something like Damon & Garber or Darbon & Damon - I don't know if it was pretipped by them or the woman she got them from had pretipped them... Anyway - it is like extra EXTRA tangled today - it's either b/c I washed my hair last night (didn't do anything different than normal) or it's just the sweater I'm wearing....I have no idea. But help - please! I've pulled like 5 out just today because even when I brush it I'm pulling them out at the root - not just the extension. AHH!! ------------- This is because I can spell konfusion with a K It's hard to like it It's to dying in anothers arms And why i had to try it... - Something Corporate "Konstantine" |
Posted By: amm
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 1:39pm
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You know what you have to do. They've had tangling problems from the beginning and now your own hair is coming out. Please take them out right away. This is how the horror stories of people losing half (or more) of their hair begin. ------------- http://shrinkies.net - Extension Supplies & Virgin Brazilian Hair |
Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 1:52pm
| it's not good hair. thats the problem. youre doing everything right but theyre tangling on their own because theyre cheap hair and the cuticle has been ruined because of too much chemicals. when the cuticles gone or facing opposite ways the hair tangles like crazy. the risk is you will ruin your own hair by overbrushing. |
Posted By: Kalika
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 2:47pm
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I bet money its silicone coated hair. you mentioned conditioning your hair like crazy... how often are you washing it? when you have extensions you shouldnt wash more then once or twice a week. either way, sounds like the cuticals arnt facing the same direction and thats whats creating tangles. if your own hair is coming out, then you need to take it out before oyu get thining/broken hair, or bald spots. next batch of hair you get, get either good quality synth, which is about the same $$ amount as cheap human hair, or get cutical hair, which can run about $120 a batch, or more. ------------- |
Posted By: Syren123
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 2:48pm
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I know exactly what you are describing. The problem is the hair is not going in one direction with all the root ends at one end, so once the silicone coating washes off, the hair acts like velcro, catching on each other. This means it is not good hair, no matter what they told you and no matter what you paid. I know the feeling of sitting there and having your hair matt up into a ball at the back of your head. Take them out before you pull your real hair out. It's not worth it. 
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Posted By: MoNiCaxOC
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 2:52pm
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This totally sucks. I'm so upset. I wanted to have these in for my wedding!!! :-( And I don't trust this girl now to take them out. She's supposed to re-bond them next week...maybe I just blow-dryed it not carefully enough last night...OK OK so I'm in denial. Even when I conditioned last night in the shower I couldn't run my fingers through it and I brushed it before I got in the shower. That's never happend before. My sister-in-law has hers done too and she got them 3 weeks before mine and she has barely lost any and isn't having any of the same problems I am. Hers is a different color but that's about the only difference. Man I am so upset. What a waste of $250 (atleast it wasn't $1000+ but nevertheless I'm not made of money). BTW I only wash my hair twice a week. It hasn't been this bad until this last wash. Also, I've been getting a lot of split ends on the fake hair. The reason it falls out at the root is because even when I hold it in a ponytail and brush it, it pulls so hard it rips my hair out. So far it's just hair underneath. And does anyone know what brand this might be (see above for my guesses LOL). I want to look it up and figure out what this crap hair is. Thanks!! ------------- This is because I can spell konfusion with a K It's hard to like it It's to dying in anothers arms And why i had to try it... - Something Corporate "Konstantine" |
Posted By: MoNiCaxOC
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 3:56pm
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Sorry for my billions of posts on one thread. How would I take them out anyway?? I don't want that girl to get close to my hair anymore! ------------- This is because I can spell konfusion with a K It's hard to like it It's to dying in anothers arms And why i had to try it... - Something Corporate "Konstantine" |
Posted By: Kalika
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 4:00pm
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it doesnt seem to be the bonds that are the problem, just the hair, and she didnt make the hair, so I wouldnt ward her off with a cross and cloves of garlic. remember shes just a kid and you let her get that close in the first place. its just crappy hair, happens to the best of us. but if you want to take them out yourself go to a beauty supply store and get acetone remover. use a cotten swab to apply the acetone to the bonds, wait a few minutes, and you can crush them with pliers. you will also have to do a lot of picking. and it takes hours. just preparing you. good luck. ------------- |
Posted By: Syren123
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 4:21pm
| In order not to pull your hair out, try Goldwell Kerasilk Rich Care conditioner - just get the small tube around $8, wet your head and slather it on your extension hair. Either sit under a dryer for 5 minutes or so or heat it up with a blowdryer - then use a wide tooth comb to get out the snarls. Rinse a little at that point to loosen the mats a bit. Then you can rinse the conditioner out. It will condition the hair temporarily - at least enough for you to get it out of your real hair without going bald. I used this recently to soften up the mangled mess I had going and it worked well. Good luck. |
Posted By: MoNiCaxOC
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 4:55pm
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Thanks for the suggestion! I will definitely try it. If there is ANY WAY I can save this mess I will do it. I'm going to try straightening it tonight with some serum to see if that helps even a little bit. Where can I find Goldwell Kerasilk Rich Care conditioner?? At Sally's or Ulta or Sephora? ------------- This is because I can spell konfusion with a K It's hard to like it It's to dying in anothers arms And why i had to try it... - Something Corporate "Konstantine" |
Posted By: Syren123
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 5:01pm
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Not Sally's...don't know about Sephora but I think they're primarily makeup. I got it at one of those higher-end BSS here in Pasadena, but I've seen Goldwell carried at lots of places. Just call around and see who carries Goldwell. Don't put any chemicals on that hair - it will just mess it up further. This conditioner will help, but not fix it permanently. There IS no permanent fix, sory to say. |
Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 5:38pm
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First off, I'm so sorry this happened to you. I've had a few batches of crappy hair before, and many batches of mediocre hair, so I can relate and empathize. It's unfortunate, but if the hair is bad, there really isn't much you can do. And it's also true that with that amount of overbrushing, tangling, and matting, you could jeopardize the health of your real hair. That said, for $250--for the installation and the human hair--you would'nt have gotten much better quality hair from anyone. Kristin's are the most reasonable prices I think I've ever heard of, and she's more expensive than that. The fact is, most of the hair on the market is cuticle stripped or cuticles facing every which way, and if you want good human hair, it'll cost you a lot more. What I would recommend, if you're planning on wearing extensions for your wedding, is to buy a better batch of human hair or synth and go back to the girl and have her replace them. Obviously, she is young and doesn't know much about hair quality. Hopefully, the removal will go well. If you have problems during the removal, call it off--it's time to consult an expert. What kind of timeframe are you dealing with here? When are you getting married? Are you anywhere near Kristin (I don't know California very well); maybe she could help you? :) ------------- http://www.beautyaddictmag.com - www.beautyaddictmag.com |
Posted By: MoNiCaxOC
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 5:52pm
Thanks for all of your help and comments!! Kristin is right in my area and depending on the price I will probably go to her before my wedding (it's in August). I'm going to try to straighten them right now with some serum (I usually do that I just didn't have time last night after washing). Maybe that will help for the meantime. When I get a chance I will post some pictures of my lions mane/rats nest. :-) Thanks again though for all your help!!  ------------- This is because I can spell konfusion with a K It's hard to like it It's to dying in anothers arms And why i had to try it... - Something Corporate "Konstantine" |
Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 6:09pm
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I, for one, would really appreciate it if you posted your pics. I really think people need to know more about how crappy bad human hair really is. Of course, I'm sure it looked nice when you first got it...that's the thing, it's so hard to tell.... I've been seriously burned myself :) ------------- http://www.beautyaddictmag.com - www.beautyaddictmag.com |
Posted By: EmmaSkye
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 8:02pm
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I had the same exact problem from hair I got online (I wont say from whom) and since it was my first stab at extensions I thought the condition was my fault. I emailed the company I got the hair from and they told me it was my fault and gave me a list of hair care products to get. I spent another $50 on top of the $300 I had already spent on hair and supplies. THEN I found these forums and found out, it wasnt me, it was crappy hair. After doing hours and hours of research Ive learned that it needs to have the cuticles all going in the same direction or it will tangle horribly. Here is a link to a site I found that has some good sounding products on it. The first chance I get Im going to order these three products. I HAVE NOT TRIED THEM YET, so I dont know if they work or not. http://www.hairlossforum.net/hr/accessories_others.htm - http://www.hairlossforum.net/hr/accessories_others.htm Untangler Synthetic Fiber Softener HPH Silk Mink Hair Softener ------------- SHE human hair blend, 18", #4 with Supertape. |
Posted By: Syren123
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 9:43pm
| OMG Emma you're so right. Before I found these forums, I was sure I just wasn't doing something right or was negligent in some way. It's only been the past 2 years or so I figured there was NO WAY I could be responsible for the thrashed condition of my extension hair...especially since my real hair was just fine! It was pitiful, really. I am so grateful I stumbled upon this forum by total accident - and especially for all the terrific advice, insight and inspiration from everyone who posts here! It's like a miracle. I've learned more here in the past week than I have in 15 yrs of wearing extensions. |
Posted By: MoNiCaxOC
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 9:59pm
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Pictures!! There's a lot - and sorry for the poor quality - it's a camera phone. Mind you, these pictures I JUST took right now after I had straightened my hair with gel, mousse and a LOT of hair conditioner cream. These are the strands that came out (BTW I know I need to clean my bathroom countertop LOL)   That is my real hair at the top that was ripped out by the extension when I brushed it!! Those you see ripped out just in the last hour or so when I was straightening my hair. (again, sorry they are so blurry - it's my camera phone's fault!)   Here is a full view - my fiance says they don't look as bad as I think they do. But he's wrong ;-)      ------------- This is because I can spell konfusion with a K It's hard to like it It's to dying in anothers arms And why i had to try it... - Something Corporate "Konstantine" |
Posted By: LuckieDuckies
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 10:15pm
| dont know if its just my computer but your pics aernt working :( |
Posted By: MoNiCaxOC
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 10:20pm
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OK - so Geocities is down right now - that's why they aren't working...it says try back in an hour...bare with me - HTML is not my forte' ------------- This is because I can spell konfusion with a K It's hard to like it It's to dying in anothers arms And why i had to try it... - Something Corporate "Konstantine" |
Posted By: leia1979
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 12:03am
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Maybe it's just the cameraphone, but the extensions in you hair look fine. Of course, you'd also just brushed it, so of course it looks okay. My hair used to get tangled badly underneath at work for some reason...I guess collared shirts and long hair don't mix, and hoodies are especially bad. But more importantly, those extensions are ripping out your real hair. Get them out, out, out!!!! That should not be happening. It makes me cringe just thinking about it. ------------- |
Posted By: EmmaSkye
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 3:18am
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Yep thats exactly what mine did, its bad hair. I tried everything and nothing worked. I havnt seen very many extensions but my own but that looks like way too much of your own hair comming out with those extensions. I agree with everyone else and you need to take then out right away. ------------- SHE human hair blend, 18", #4 with Supertape. |
Posted By: Kalika
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 4:02am
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by the way, you need to hold your hair while you brush it, you cant just yank on it like your own hair. In all honesty I think its a combination of non cutical hair, and you just not knowing how to care for extensions. you have quite a bit at the top, which to me looks like she didnt put the extensions too high, that it wasnt pulling on your hair. you also wernt complaining about any pulling or pinching or pain, so I dont think she applied it bad at all. its just bad hair, and with all the vigerous brushing, washing, and straightning, its no wonder they're tearing out. I still think for your own sake you shoud remove them, and think about an intergration wig instead ------------- |
Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 4:05am
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As far as the actual hair, it just looks like a lot of non-premium hair that's been washed a bunch of times. That's what crappy silky-straight human hair does after a few weeks, and there's really no way around it with human, unless you want to pay a lot more. The ends get super-frazzled, and the only way to neaten them up is with a curling iron or flatiron, imo (a curling iron works better). I've seen a lot worse, actually. However, the hair that has come out is most disturbing--that's a lot of your own hair, waaayyyy too much--and I'm not sure that that can be attributed to the fact that the hair is poor quality. My thinking is that they weren't bonded in properly (perhaps they were too close to the scalp, putting too much pressure on your real hair) or the excessive brushing is causing you own hair to break. Either way, you need to remove these ASAP. Good luck, and please keep us posted. :) ------------- http://www.beautyaddictmag.com - www.beautyaddictmag.com |
Posted By: Kalika
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 4:10am
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jenny - but look at the hair itself. she has at LEAST a 1/4 - 1/3 of an inch of her own hair, so it couldnt have been that tight to the scalp to make it tear out on its own. I really think thats shes just yanking away at those things with the brush and straightner, and god knows what other styling tools. ------------- |
Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 4:16am
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Yeah, you're right, Kalika. They don't look like they were too close to the scalp. That is disturbing, though. I do think I've lost some hair myself because of overbrushing crappy human hair, but nowhere near that much from the individual bonds ever. Ugghhh........ :) ------------- http://www.beautyaddictmag.com - www.beautyaddictmag.com |
Posted By: Kalika
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 4:29am
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ok well, untill you get your hair removed this will help. DONT overbrush your hair. this seems to be the biggest problem. brush once in the morning, and once at night before going to bed. take your hair in small sections, holding right below the bonds, and start from the very bottem and work your way up. take your time, be slow, and be gentle. this is ALWAYS how you should brush extension hair, human or not (save for curls, then I would suggest an afro-pick). Your particular hair will probably be frizzy, but its crappy hair, you cant do anything about it. treat it kindly or you will loose more of your own hair. dont just grab the whole pile in a ponytail and yank the brush through it. The synthetic hair I have takes over 20 minutes to brush. just comes with the territory. as much as you would like it to look like your own hair, extension hair IS NOT your own hair. anyone who tells you you can treat it as such needs to be slapped in the face. you might want to wear it in a ponytail or bun untill its removed. if its out of your face you wont think about it, and you wont play with it as much. playing with your hair isnt good for ettensions, it just tangles it more, and puts stress on the bonds and your own hair. plus if its up and out of your face it wont look so frizzy. and get them out asap! ------------- |
Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 6:06am
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This is an excellent point: "Extension hair IS NOT your own hair. anyone who tells you you can treat it as such needs to be slapped in the face." Seriously. I have read so many marketing materials that say, "It's just like your real hair! It's simple to care for." And it really isn't. With too much brushing, you can yank them out (as shown above), or--and especially if you have thin, fine, fragile hair-- you can break the real hair underneath (not from the root, necessarily, but somewhere on the shaft). :) ------------- http://www.beautyaddictmag.com - www.beautyaddictmag.com |
Posted By: MoNiCaxOC
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 9:20am
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I hold it in tiny little pony tails really tight when I brush it - and yes it takes me FOREVER until it's all combed through. I se a really wide toothed comb when my hair is wet and a big brush on the end of my hair and I use a soft boar bristle brush on the top to smooth it down (that's the only care the girl told me about). I barely have to accidently yank a tangled strand and it pulls out with my hair. It's really just hair underneath. I'm wearing it in braids for now. The pics kind of make it look like more hair - the strands are really small that she bonded in - maybe around the size tip of a dull pencil tip. I counted and it pulls out around 10-20 strands of my own hair when it comes out. I don't use really any styling tools other than a straightener and a blowdryer to curl under the tips. I haven't even attempted an all-over Jessica Simpson type curl which I was so dying to do!! Anyway, I'm going to deep condition it everynight for awhile until I have a chance to sit down and take them out. My fiance said I can spend the extra $$ and go to Kristin before the wedding. He says I'm just being a freak about my hair - that is really doesn't look as bad as I think it does (aw how sweet...I think). Thanks for all your comments and suggestions. :-) ------------- This is because I can spell konfusion with a K It's hard to like it It's to dying in anothers arms And why i had to try it... - Something Corporate "Konstantine" |
Posted By: Kimbearly
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 9:59am
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MoNi - how are you doing? Your pictures made my head hurt. Please tell me you took them out. Since this is your first time with extensions have you thought about clip-ons? Waaaaaay less damaging (if any) plus it will teach you how to take care of extensions. ------------- |
Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: February 01 2005 at 5:56pm
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Monica, I'm sure you have tried to be careful; when the hair is ****ty, it makes brushing and styling very difficult. And the thing is, you have to brush it, without overbrushing it, or the tangles will get totally out of hand. That's why crappy human hair is bad for long-term wear--you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Ironically, if you curled it (in the Jessica Simpson style you want), it'd probably look better in the short-term. Anyway, I hope you're planning to remove them soon. Good luck! :) ------------- http://www.beautyaddictmag.com - www.beautyaddictmag.com |
Posted By: MoNiCaxOC
Date Posted: February 02 2005 at 3:24pm
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Well, it seems that LOTS AND LOTS of leave in conditioner cream, gel, mouse and a straightening iron have tamed the lion. It's not *so* bad anymore. I only lost a few more strands. I'm still probably going to take them out next week. :-( ------------- This is because I can spell konfusion with a K It's hard to like it It's to dying in anothers arms And why i had to try it... - Something Corporate "Konstantine" |
Posted By: amm
Date Posted: February 02 2005 at 4:13pm
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You're PROBABLY going to take them out? Girl, if you don't, I'm going to yank my own hair out reading about your situation. Please call Kristin and have her take them out right away. Seriously. Not trying to sound too harsh here but you're in extreme denial and your own hair will be a train wreck if you wait any longer. ------------- http://shrinkies.net - Extension Supplies & Virgin Brazilian Hair |
Posted By: MoNiCaxOC
Date Posted: February 02 2005 at 6:28pm
I said probably because I wasn't sure if I was going to do it this week or next week. Probably next week. LOL. Thanks for all your concern though!!! ------------- This is because I can spell konfusion with a K It's hard to like it It's to dying in anothers arms And why i had to try it... - Something Corporate "Konstantine" |
Posted By: MaginOC
Date Posted: February 03 2005 at 10:34am
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Hey Girl, bummer! Yes, poor quality hair is everywhere. even as an experienced stylist I've had a few bad bunches. One comment about your styling product regimen. I'd stay away from gel and mousse if I were you. It seems those products would only make the hair sticky. With my last set of extensions I had the same problem...ends tangling constantly...I had great success with Bedheads Afterparty product. It's a smoothing cream that worked great on the tangly ends. BTW Kristin is awesome! She will be doing my next set of extensions. Good Luck. ------------- |
Posted By: tiamaria
Date Posted: February 07 2005 at 11:45am
| AWE!!!Try some rusk products(Rusk calm 60 second hair revive,and Rusk smoother, leave in conditioner.) and bioslk!here's some websites for products www.metrobeauty.com www.cachebeauty.com Good Luck sweetie! |
Posted By: tiamaria
Date Posted: February 07 2005 at 11:48am
| BTW,I don't care for the Farouk' biosilk shampoo or conditioner,Did you say you used them? I meant the Farouk' biosilk silk therapy. |