GLs Lightening Process--Update
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Topic: GLs Lightening Process--Update
Posted By: Jenny_RR
Subject: GLs Lightening Process--Update
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 1:42am
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I apologize in advance for this, but I have been told many times it's impossible to lighten dark brown or black hair to pale blonde without bleach or peroxide--by scientists and hairdressers alike. So I assumed such chemicals are used in the GLs depigmentation process. However, I've just been informed, by another source, that if the hair soaks for 15 to 20 days in a solution, it is possible to lighten it using a milder form of peroxide than orginally thought. It's still peroxide, but much gentler and apparently nondamaging to the cuticle. Again, it wasn't my intention to spread false info. about this, and I apologize. Here's the explanation (below). :) "I saw the site and went through it carefully - it seems they remove all the pigment (melanin) from the hair not with a bleach (which would be sodium persulfate ) but with something that works very slowly since they soak the hair in it for 15 to 20 days and from all the tests I have seen on lifting/removing melanin, the slower the process the better condition the hair is left in - this could be a very mild peroxide solution which could be acidic and not act like a bleach at all - they claim it leaves the cuticle undamaged - I don't see this being an unreasonable claim - if you soak a black hair in just a solution of dilute peroxide for a long time it will certainly lighten and does so without swelling the cuticle which is where a lot of damage comes from - it would also do it in an acid state not alkaline they also say they remove all the pigment/melanin rather than break it up - bleach does break up pigment but does leave it behind inside the hair - this process they use could remove the melanin since it is over such a long period of time - those I have talked with that have felt the hair say it feels like healthy virgin hair and that is quite an achievement." "when you have the ability to soak something for a very long time - this could never be done on the head for obvious reasons but this could work to achieve what they are after -a colorist friend of mine who is always playing with things has soaked hair in peroxide only and also in ammonia only and learned that the peroxide (as you have always said) is what lightens the hair and that the ammonia is what causes the damage they don't give the formula of what they use but it could certainly be one of the many oxides that are available that are very gentle yet with some time can get the job done with no damage to the hair- think 'oxyclean'." ------------- http://www.beautyaddictmag.com - www.beautyaddictmag.com |
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Posted By: Scotchyroo
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 1:58am
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That's so interesting. There is no chemical process to hair without damage, but that hair is pretty nice. Does anyone else do the same? I had a really nice head of hisandhers cuticle hair last week. My husband thought it felt like it had been coated in plastic. Whatever it takes. His son has been doing GL in california for a couple years. I guess they "retail" the hair at a pretty high rate. He was able to buy a condo in las vegas wink] with the extra he made the first year. I'm rambling, but I just want you to know I totally notice constantly what an honest open place this is. ------------- |
Posted By: EmmaSkye
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 3:28am
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You may be onto something there Jenny. I dont do blonde. Ive been every color under the sun and Ive tried blonde a few times but I look like a ghost with blonde hair. I get the most compliments when I have either black or red hair. An experiment would be easy to do. Buy some cheap human hair, have one bowl with pure peroxide, one bowl with a 2:1 ratio (peroxide and water) and one with maybe a 2:2 ratio, put equal amounts of hair in each one and check the progress everyday and see which one lightens the best. Once youve determined which ratio works you could buy more expensive human hair and lighten it. ------------- SHE human hair blend, 18", #4 with Supertape. |
Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 3:32am
| This is the same process used on wool for sweaters. Jenny, thanks for your honesty. |
Posted By: Save~A~Stray
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 4:55am
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Okay, This is something I will be willing to be the tester here. It would be best to do the testing on virgin hair as all cheap hair is already processed to kingdom come!! I have quite a lot of Indian cuticle remi hair (black/dark brown colors) that I will be up for doing all the testing with different solutions. All I ask from you DIY'ers/Stylists is the solution/% ideas and the ratios. What you think I should try on each one, and I'll conduct the tests at home over a 20 day period and I'll report the findings to you. I just need to go get some basins for each solution we try. What do you think as far as solutions go, are we just talking peroxide/ratios or some other solutions? Do you think they would add conditioners in the solution? Maybe I can put some infusium 23 into the mix........just a thought. Would love some input from you ladies..........I'm totally up for the challenge!! |
Posted By: Save~A~Stray
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 5:42am
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Does anyone know the formulas used for treating cashmere? This seems to be key in the GL process!! (srr...any ideas?) I have found 13 cashmere testing labs worldwide on a web search. I'll e-mail each one and see if I can get any info from them at all. If you find anything out about the cashmere process please post the info. I would really appreciate it!! Thanks |
Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 6:58am
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Yes, this is quite a breakthrough. Where's Oly? I owe her an apology, too.... I wonder if it would work to take some raw black hair (if anyone has any) and leave it soaking in something similar to what the source has suggested. By the way, if anyone's interested in asking follow-up questions about this, the thread is about halfway down this page: http://www.network54.com/Forum/127834 - http://www.network54.com/Forum/127834 You'll see a question from Jenny_RR and responses from Rick (the chemist) and rc (who I'm assuming is a chemist, too). Incidentally, I was also told once that Bohyme uses a water-based process to treat its hair. I didn't make the connection at the time--having never heard of this method before--but perhaps they're doing something similar, too. I only wish this could be done to our real hair--LOL! Can you imagine? Damage-free lightening? :) ------------- http://www.beautyaddictmag.com - www.beautyaddictmag.com |
Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 7:04am
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OK. Just reread the thread. So Save~a~Stray will test it for us. Fabulous! You might want to post to rc and Rick to see what they recommend (I posted the link above). Scotchyroo: I'm totally with you on the hisandher Cuticle hair. I wore if for three months, and it was supershiny and strong the whole time, but I kept feeling like it had some sort of coating, too! It never tangled, either. I'm dying to know what they use... :) ------------- http://www.beautyaddictmag.com - www.beautyaddictmag.com |
Posted By: Save~A~Stray
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 3:18pm
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Okay, I posted a follow up question to rick and rc for any ideas on the testing part. Does anyone here know what other oxides/percentages that could be gentle enough for this process? Thanks.... I'm ready...... got the hair, basins, gloves ......I just need the formulas....haha!! |
Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 5:34pm
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Oh, I love this! Very exciting. I hope you don't mind, Save~A~Stray, but I took the liberty of moving your question to the top (sometimes the older questions that are further down tend to get buried after a few days). :) ------------- http://www.beautyaddictmag.com - www.beautyaddictmag.com |
Posted By: Save~A~Stray
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 7:26pm
| Oh, Jenny..kewl, because after I posted it I thought I should have made a new post on the front page. I was going to wait a few days, then post again if no response. Thanks for that. |
Posted By: Cali-Kristin
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 7:56pm
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I've been told that's exactly what Bohyme does too. That's why the quality of it and Great Lengths are so good. BTW, If I remember correctly(LOL), my hair is naturally dark brown and I'm able to get it super platinum. I guess I have a good hair dresser  -------------  http://www.YourHairShop.com - www.YourHairShop.com
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Posted By: Save~A~Stray
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 9:33pm
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I was able to contact 12 out of 13 cashmere testing labs. Three of the e-mails returned not found. So we have 9 companies that can possibly shed some light on this process. I will let you all know what they have to say as they respond. Thanks |
Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 9:36pm
| First I'm gonna try oxyclean, and then a solution of oxyclean and 10 vol. peroxide. |
Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 9:55pm
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OK. We got some responses: From Rick the chemist: "I'd suggest 10- or 20-volume developer as is. Don't add any color. The mixture should be slightly acidic, as it is in the bottle. If you wish, add half a teaspoonful of vinegar or (better) club soda." From RC: "I have been a colorist for 20+ years and developed many products along the way while working with great chemists - this experiment could have so many possibilities that I would not even know where to begin - there are 20 or more oxidizers that could work and they can be of varying strengths and can be made to react so differently by just changing one little thing - even with just hydrogen peroxide the choices would be endless - they could change the vats every hour - every day - go from stronger to weaker or reverse - temperature adjustments, buffers, etc - just way too many factors to even guess where to start - also in the world of color there can be 100 different yet correct ways of achieving the same end result we work with hair swatches all the time and you just start where you think a good place to start would be and record all that you did and the results and then start altering things - and enjoy the journey" ------------- http://www.beautyaddictmag.com - www.beautyaddictmag.com |
Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 10:06pm
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The more I hear about this, I wonder if most companies do a process similar to this, rather than the kind of bleaching used for on-the-scalp lightening... :) ------------- http://www.beautyaddictmag.com - www.beautyaddictmag.com |
Posted By: Save~A~Stray
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 10:08pm
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That's great srr!! Would love to hear how that works out.....!! I'm so into this little project. Hey, anything to find a better long lasting extension would be a plus from most of the crap that's being sold out there. I had no idea Bohyme went through a similar process. That's good to know. |
Posted By: Save~A~Stray
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 10:22pm
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Just read your post Jenny, Okay, so it's really a case of try whatever...right? There is too many possibilities to this I see from RC's post. I was wondering if heat played into this at all. Maybe these tubs are temperature controlled. Well it's trial and error I guess. I will try out Rick's suggestion. Hopefully the labs will come back with some good info for us. Thanks for the update |
Posted By: Save~A~Stray
Date Posted: February 14 2005 at 5:44pm
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This was my first response from the 9 companies I was able to contact: Dear Sir, We are researchers of the ISMAC-CNR ( Biella, Italy ). We are working in a project about hair sample. We determine the quantity of products of oxidative degradation ( PTCA) of the eumelanic pigment for detecting subject less protected and thus with a higher risk of developing skin tumours. We send two original articles that describe our project. In the second paper you can find information about depigmantation of kashmir. We used it on sample hair. It is carried out with hydrogene peroxide in an alkaline medium, in the presence of iron (II) ion as a catalyst. It is used in the textile sector for depigmenting keratinic fibres. We thinck that these papers are important for your work. This is process from paper 2: Depigmentation Process. The depigmentation process consisted of a mordanting step followed by a bleching step and was carried out at the following experimental conditions: Mordanting Rinsing Bleaching FeSO4°E7H2O: 3.7 g/l Na2S2O4: 1 g/l HCHO (35-40%): 3 g/l L.R.: 1:20-1:50 pH(HCO2H): 3 1h 85°C Warm water 20 min room temperature water 20 min Na4P2O7: 10 g/l EDTA: 2 g/l H2O2: 1-8 vol L.R.: 1:20-1:50 pH: 9 30 min 85°C Different concentrations of hydrogen peroxide in the bleaching bath were tested. Sample A (16.5 µm) was depigmented at a fibre liquor ratio of 1:20 using an Ahiba –Turbocolor 100 Laboratory dyeing apparatus. Concentrations of 2-4 and 8 vol of hydrogen peroxide were used. Sample B (17.1 µm) was depigmented at a fibre liquor ratio of 1:50 in flasks placed in a thermostatically controlled shaking water bath (Grant OLS200). Concentrations of 1-2-3-4-5- 6-7-8 vol of hydrogen peroxide were used. Okay, I get the last line but I need a translator for the rest of it!! They use much lower peroxide levels Feel free anyone to translate here............ |
Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: February 14 2005 at 6:33pm
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Damn...the board just got mad scientific! This is such a cool experiment. I just wish I knew Italian. Anyone? Ciao! :) ------------- http://www.beautyaddictmag.com - www.beautyaddictmag.com |
Posted By: Kalika
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 8:56am
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... did enyone ELSE feel real stupid reading that? lmao, like reading greek ------------- |
Posted By: Gina E
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 9:47am
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Damn...I should have payed more attention in chemistry! I guess low volume peroxide is where it's at although it does look like they used heat. I read RC had mentioned "changing the baths" I think that is a very crucial pint. Peroxide looses its strength if left open. If this helps I can tell you a little about making different volumes: 20 Vol=6%,10vol=3%,5vol=1.5%,2.5vol=.75% Does that help or am I just rambling? ------------- I've got a new puppy!!! She's a http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/GinaE52979/EvansFirstDayandRoxy06019.jpg - White Boxer |
Posted By: leia1979
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 12:56pm
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Okay, I printed it out, and here's my preliminary translation (I'll double check it at work and post when I get home this evening). 3.7 grams of Iron Sulfate per litre of water 1 gram Sodium Hydrosulfite per litre of water 3 grams Formaldehyde per liter of water some sort of ratio (not sure what they're referring to) of between 1:20 and 1:50 with this solution, they got a pH of 3 (acid) it soaked for one hour in the solution at 85 degrees C 20 minutes warm water bath 20 minutes room-temp water bath 10 grams Tetrasodium Diphosphate per litre of water 2 grams Ethylenediaminetetraacetic Acid (EDTA) per litre of water 1-8 volumes of Hydrogen Peroxide (they did several mixtures using the the above two ingredients and varying strengths of Hydrogen Peroxide) that same ratio of something I don't know between 1 to 20 and 1 to 50 pH of this solution is 9 (slightly alkaline) 30 minutes in this solution at 85 degrees C and so on A whole lotta chemicals, at any rate. Who wants to break into the chem lab with me??? =) Edited to qualify: While I excelled at General Chemistry in college, I didn't go beyond that and majored in music instead. Oh, and I think the ratio is the amount of fibre (or hair, in our case) to liquid. Between 20 and 50 parts liquid per part of hair. ------------- |
Posted By: Save~A~Stray
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 6:08pm
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OMG!! Leia, you are one smart cookie if you got all that from my post!! You must have been top of your class girl!!! Gina~ thanks for the breakdown, I would have had to go look that up in my books. When I graduated cosmetology school in 1987, I went to work in London, and I had to choose cutting or coloring. They wouldn't let me choose both, so I went with cutting. Every shop I worked in afterwards was like that too. So I am a little rusty when it comes to the coloring side and the peroxide vols. Appreciate all the translations!! Kalika~I'm with you ...I was like ......HUH?!! Leia~ I still can't believe you girl.......!!!!! |
Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 6:16pm
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Damn, girls! We're gonna have to start calling you "Professors Leia and Gina" and "Mix-master Save~A~Stray" soon. I'm very impressed. We'll be manufacturing our own hair in no time! :) ------------- http://www.beautyaddictmag.com - www.beautyaddictmag.com |
Posted By: Save~A~Stray
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 6:40pm
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No Kiddin' Jenny!! I'm still reacting to Leia's post!!!!! Leia~ I should send you the actual papers, because I just cut and pasted this part and it all mushed together. It was set up in 3 different columns. You may be able to see more clearly the exact process. Although you had no trouble translating the mumbo jumbo!!!Haha. Their test was not done over 15-20 days though. Which we (OR SHOULD I SAY LEIA)will have to figure out the ratios for that slower process. Let me know Leia, if I can send them to you...... I got another response today from another company that had no idea of this process. They referred me to someone else in Italy, but I had already contacted them. They told me this company has the trade secret on de-pigmentation, thats why they are so successful. He said good luck with getting the answer from them!! |
Posted By: leia1979
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 8:01pm
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Hehe, you ladies crack me up. I plugged a lot of the formulas into Yahoo. Trust me, I didn't know that humongous one (EDTA) off the top of my head! Anyway, I'm not sure how easy it'll be to get some of these chemicals...who knows. I just know that you add x number of grams per litre of distilled water (that's pure H2O) to get the solutions they used. Save A Stray, you can forward the emails to me if you like to leia1979 at comcast.net. I'll see if I can make heads or tails out of it. I need to dig my college chem book out of the attic. And did anyone else think "Ewwww" when they read formaldehyde was included? ------------- |
Posted By: Gina E
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 8:29pm
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Ohhhhhhh SNAP!!!! Look at the brain on Leia!!! You are amazing! I never could grasp chemistry. Yeah...Fermaldihide? Can you even legally obtain that? My sister is an imbomer... I think it's some sort of controlled substance-its carcenagenic. Save~a~Stray.... Hate to hear you had to choose. I love both! (Wella makes a 1.9% which is wonderful,creamy,and gentle.) ------------- I've got a new puppy!!! She's a http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/GinaE52979/EvansFirstDayandRoxy06019.jpg - White Boxer |
Posted By: Save~A~Stray
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 8:57pm
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Prof.Leia~Thanks girl, just sent you the papers. Gina~Yeah, I'm pretty bummed I never got to do color. I have a subscription to the Process magazine and it's really kewl. I'm learning a lot from it. I will go on a coloring course later this year so I can get a handle on it. I've heard lots about Wella color!! Thank You Ladies!! |
Posted By: Gina E
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 9:04pm
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Save~A~Stray...What does your salon use? I came up on Wella- very easy to formulate. Recently converted to Davines..."It's Like Butta!" ------------- I've got a new puppy!!! She's a http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/GinaE52979/EvansFirstDayandRoxy06019.jpg - White Boxer |
Posted By: Save~A~Stray
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 9:16pm
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I don't work in a salon anymore, that's why I have been out of the loop. I am involved in animal rescue now but just love doing hair extensions. I still have a valid New York state license and in the process of waiting for state board testing in CA. I want to start learning one line for now just so I don't confuse the heck out of myself!! Davines....I will check out!! What other lines do you like? Leia~got your mail!! Happy Coloring!! |
Posted By: Gina E
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 9:37pm
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S~A~S... Wella is easy to come by. It's VERY easy to formulate. Love their demi-permanents, HATE their permanent line. Davines isn't mainstream. The company is well established; but you can only find it at select salons.( I booth rent and have a distributer) Davines is like the Cadilac of color. The texture of the product and the result in regards to the integrity of hair is incomparable to any thing I've ever used. (Same goes for the products) Both Wella and Dav. follow the same number system (ie 7/72, 8/04) because their both european. So, it was easy for me to convert. The only thing that threw me off with Dav. is that you weigh it on digitals! I LOVE color... the more you have to offer your clients, the broader your knowledge as a stylist the more you can create and offer...and EARN$!!!!!! That's why I am soaking up all I can learn to now add extensionist to my resume  ------------- I've got a new puppy!!! She's a http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/GinaE52979/EvansFirstDayandRoxy06019.jpg - White Boxer |
Posted By: leia1979
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 10:32pm
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Okay, I've read one article Save A Stray sent, and scanned the other. It looks like they used a similar process in both cases. Here's the basic rundown on how it works: The fiber (hair, wool, whatever) soaks in a heated solution containing a from of Iron (Fe). The iron molecules bond really well to melanin (dark pigment) and not so well to keratin. The fiber is then rinsed in warm water for 20 minutes, then room-temperature water for another 20 minutes. The rinsing destroys the iron-keratin bond, but doesn't affect the iron-melanin bond. The fiber then goes into a heated solution containing hydrogen peroxide. The hydrogen peroxide only attacks the melanin which is bonded to the iron, while the keratin is pretty much left alone. This process allows the melanin in the fiber to be removed without causing much harm to the keratin. It seems that this particular process only takes about three hours, not several weeks. So, now I kinda understand how....the issue is how do we replicate it. We may also be able to find a similar recipe using more readily available chemicals. Oh, and if what I wrote doesn't make much sense, then just ask me lots n lots of questions. ------------- |
Posted By: Gina E
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 11:00pm
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I am astounded Leia. What a beautiful mind! I can follow your laymans breakdown.... but like you said-how to replicate? HMMMMM? ------------- I've got a new puppy!!! She's a http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/GinaE52979/EvansFirstDayandRoxy06019.jpg - White Boxer |
Posted By: Save~A~Stray
Date Posted: February 16 2005 at 1:29am
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I e-mailed him back and thanked him for his very detailed process. I reminded him I was conducting the test over a 15-20 day period and could he give me the breakdown of the solutions for a longer process. He seems a really nice person. He said I could contact him anytime with questions. So let's see what he comes back with for us little scientists and of course Professor Leia here!! Thanks again for another great explanation. I may need you to breakdown his next response. Gina~ I look forward to checking out those lines especially that you can convert between the two. Just what I need!! Once I did extensions that was it for me, that's all I wanted to do. You get very hooked!! Great your an all rounder!! Your client doesn't need to go anywhere else...you offer it all. 
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Posted By: Save~A~Stray
Date Posted: February 16 2005 at 4:49am
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This was the response I just got from the same company....... The depigmentation process consisted of a mordanting step followed by a bleching step and was carried out at the following experimental conditions: Mordanting -FeSO4: 6-10 g/l -H3PO2 :4-6 g/l -HCO2H ( formic acid) take to pH 3-3.5 -Treatment time: 60 minutes -Material -to Liquor ratio: 1:20-1:50 At the end of the treatment, hair were rinsed with warm water ( no distilled) for 20 minutes and then with cold water for 20 minutes. Bleaching Na4P2O7: 10 g/l H2O2: 1-8 vol Material -to Liquor ratio: 1:20-1:50 pH: 8-8.5 with NH4OH ( ammonia) 60 minutes at 70°C At the end of the treatment, hair were rinsed with cold water for 10 minutes. Notes Different concentrations of hydrogen peroxide can be tested. If you reduced the concentration of hydrogen peroxide you can increase the treatment time. For cashmere 15 days of treatment is a very long time. It is not a good time for industrial treatment. I suggest you to use a thermostatically controlled shaking water bath or you have to shaking the sample treated. You have to check the temperature and you have to keep the sample closed. There are analytical test to assest the damage of the sample ( cashmere, hair) after the depigmentation. They are: spectroscopic determination of cysteic acid and visual evaluation of damage by optical microscopy Our laboratory is specialized in test cited above and in depigmantation treatment. We have experience in cashmere dyeing and we have not experience about human hair dyeing. Kind Regards Raffaella and Marina |
Posted By: leia1979
Date Posted: February 16 2005 at 12:00pm
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Okay, this one looks a little less messy: Mordanting: 6-10 grams of Iron Sulfate per litre of water 4-6 grams of Phosphoric Acid per litre of water however much Formic Acid it takes to make the pH between 3 and 3.5 Bleaching: 10 grams Tetrasodium Pyrophosphate per litre of water Hydrogen Peroxide (the lesser the volume, the longer it takes) however much Ammonia it takes to make the pH between 8 and 8.5 This time we're down to only 4 chemicals that may or may not be readily available. ------------- |
Posted By: darthmom
Date Posted: February 16 2005 at 12:05pm
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If you need assistance in finding chemicals let me know, I am part of a board that has a lot of chemists and wanna be chemists. I know of practically illegal research chemicals (drugs) that can be bought online, so there isn't any reason those shouldn't, right?? ------------- |
Posted By: Save~A~Stray
Date Posted: February 16 2005 at 7:23pm
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Leia~ I asked him to give me the lease about of chemicals needed that could be used to acheive a similar result. STS~Thanks Girl........just what we need!! You are officially recruited as the chemist!!HAHA The only problem I see with this is the temperature controlled baths over 15- 20 days.~shaking~thing~?!! Although he aways refers to a much shorter process when he responds. I have told him twice we are doing it over a longer period of time. Those tubs that GL uses looks like they may be temperature controlled but I don't know about the ~shaking~. GL also say, they use a similar process for treating cashmere, not exact. So, maybe the tubs are heat controlled but no shaking. Or maybe they don't even heat the tubs, I have a feeling they do though???~the mind boggles~ I am going to do a search and see if I can find a piece of equipment that can achieve this. I can't think of anything off hand right now. If you girls think of something to acheive a controlled heat over 15-20 days......let me know. If all else fails, I can just try the listed chemicals as is in cold water. Thanks again for all your input!! |
Posted By: leia1979
Date Posted: February 16 2005 at 7:44pm
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You're gonna laugh at me but....a crock pot? I don't know, it runs for a long time, you'd just have to reset it every 10 hours or something. Yeah, lack of food makes my brain go wacky. ------------- |
Posted By: sherrie215
Date Posted: February 16 2005 at 7:50pm
Leia...quite genius! Not wacky at all girl! I have been following this thread and find it interesting but have to admit, its WAY over my head. But when you start talking crockpots...now your taking something I can understand! LOL ------------- www.hairextensions101.com - www.hairextensions101.com www.mybeautyaddiction.com - www.mybeautyaddiction.com |
Posted By: darthmom
Date Posted: February 16 2005 at 7:52pm
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Just give me a list to relay to someoen else, and I will if you need it! How high does the heat have to be? An aquarium/glas terarium and heating bulb, heat lamp can do that easy if it is a low temp. ------------- |
Posted By: Save~A~Stray
Date Posted: February 16 2005 at 8:27pm
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I believe 85 degrees C, warm and room temps. Crock pot.....could work. I will have to get one. I don't know what the temps would be on low/med/high. Well there's only one way to find out!! Heat lamp....can you use a heat lamp for long periods of time? Aquarium........interesting STS~I think we will wait for all the companies to respond and then decide the chemicals for use. Thanks girl.....thats a great plus!! |
Posted By: darthmom
Date Posted: February 17 2005 at 6:52am
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oh yeah, 185 would be too hot for a heat lamp. I will try to think of ideas too, I don't see why a crockpot isn't a good one. ------------- |
Posted By: Save~A~Stray
Date Posted: February 17 2005 at 6:56am
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85 degrees C girl!! I will buy a crock pot this week!!
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Posted By: darthmom
Date Posted: February 17 2005 at 7:49am
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lol I know!! Which is 185 f. I am in the US, celsius is french to me lol had to convert it to realize how hot it was ------------- |
Posted By: Scotchyroo
Date Posted: February 17 2005 at 2:01pm
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No,,.... HCHO 40percent.... that's really high.. That's super high percentage of hydrogen peroxide. Remember, cashmere is actually quite durable, that's why you can make such fine sweaters from it. That paper looks to me like you can soak the hair in 40percent peroxide for 10 or 15 days at room temp. or just above (heat helps) and strip the hair. Think of when you were a kid and spent the day in the pool .... all summer long. Give it a try. Christina ------------- |
Posted By: leia1979
Date Posted: February 17 2005 at 8:56pm
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Christina, the 40% HCHO is Formaldehyde, not Hydrogen Peroxide. They're using something like 2% peroxide in the experiment. ------------- |
Posted By: Save~A~Stray
Date Posted: February 17 2005 at 9:28pm
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yeah, they only use 1-8% max on their testing, and that is over a short period. Soaking for 15-20 days would be using the lowest amount of Hydrogen Peroxide possible. I will have to dilute it big time. STS~sorry girl, didn't realize you converted the temp already!! I have to go get a crock pot!! Or does anyone have one that they can pop some water in, set on low heat and tell me what the temperature is? That would be great!!
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Posted By: Save~A~Stray
Date Posted: February 18 2005 at 6:51pm
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This was the response from the company in Italy that is the most successful at depigmentation. The other gentleman did say good luck getting anything out of them. ~ TOP SECRET all right~!!  Dear Madam, Thanks for your inquiry, sent through by e-mail. It is both with wonder and surprise that we have read your letter. This is because, over the years we have been ask to depigment nearly every possible material or fiber one can imagine. Besides wool and speciality fibers (such as cashmere, camel, yak, mink,..aso) we have successfully processed dried flowers, austrich feathers and yes, even human hair. Of coarse every fiber reacts in another way, so hair extensions will probably give another result as f.i. cashmere. This because of the stucture of the fiber. However our technology is quite unique, and based on research or family has done over the last fourty years. Because we do a lot of commission work on fibers, you will certainly appreciate that we cannot share our know-how with other people. If you are intrested, we can offer you our services "on commission", wich means we can proces the extensions for you. This however, is only possible if what you mean with extension, is what we see as a loose fringe of human hair, wich is to be implanted or braided/woven into the exisiting hair. If this is the case, you can send us a few pieces, so we can run a free lab trial to see how the extensions react and how the result will be. With kind regards. |
Posted By: Save~A~Stray
Date Posted: March 03 2005 at 11:20pm
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This was another Italian cashmere lab that responded to my letter on the human hair depigmentation. They also want to conduct the tests for me and them of course work with me and we know what that means...... $$$$ Our first guy is the only one who has given us something to work with. We know you are trying to develop a process to de-pigment human hair and we really think we can help you. Our Group has been working on cashmere's teatments for 20 years and we have now a special know-how about them. We have Overmeyer equipments and we are sure we can succeed in developing a special treatmen for human hair. At the moment our treatment NA.DE. (NATURAL DEPIGMENTATION) is very requested and it is the most gently lightening process available today. Please, send us samples and we will be happy to make some trials fo you. We remain at your complete disposal for further information. Please do not hesitate to contact us. I wanted to wait for all the companies to respond first before trying all these chemicals. SRR~where are you? you were going to conducting a test with oxyclean and 10 vol HP. That's been 19 days...........did you have any luck coming up with anything? I haven't seen you on the board again to ask. ------------- |
Posted By: marie87
Date Posted: August 18 2005 at 6:16am
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Sas did you ever end up trying this? I am going to order from indian hair and since I will have a lot of it I would'nt mind trying this out on some.Just wondered where all your research took ya
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Posted By: BirdOfEden
Date Posted: August 18 2005 at 8:48am
| Can we make this a a sticky? Like permanantly stuck to the top of the forum? |
Posted By: kateadreena
Date Posted: August 18 2005 at 11:50am
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oh god this thing gives me a headache! i feel stoopid reading it :P |
Posted By: sansconformist
Date Posted: August 18 2005 at 10:41pm
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Someone should ask Mochachip for help. I think she works in a chemistry lab. Too bad for our purposes this stuff needs to be agitated for days. If it was just for an hour like with the cashmere shomeone could set a crockpot on my washing machine |
Posted By: mochachip
Date Posted: August 19 2005 at 12:22pm
| Okay I just randomaly stuck my head in here. Now I have to go read all the details and share the chemistry. |
Posted By: mochachip
Date Posted: August 19 2005 at 12:41pm
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okay, so Leia did an excellent job of translating everything. a
few things I think I can add to the discussion if we are considering
trying this. 1) wrt long periods of time with peroxide. yes you will want to change it out because the peroxide degrades. But you need to be careful how you dispose of the the peroxide solution because peroxides degrade to ethers when exposed to oxygen and ethers explode. Hydrogen peroxide is the safest one. heavily diluting with water mitigates the problem. But using care is advised. 2) Formaldehyde is nasty carcingenic stuff. I'm not afraid of chemicals as a general rule but please use care (ventilation gloves etc). 3) I think all of the acids listed would be available in powedered forma dnt hen you could mix with water for what you needed. this has many advantages. You don't have to store acids in your house just their salts. shipping water is heavy/expensive and that's what most of it would be. shipping acids is expensive, because of the risks, but shipping their salts is much less risky and therefore much less expensive. 4) I have this contraption that I actually bought commercially for my lab. Oddly enough it also uses Iron Sulfate. more importantly it uses basically a fish tank heater and fish tank bubbler to keep the temp even and the agitation going. You could easily mod a standard fish tank bubbler to meet your needs. buy a bunch of cheap teflon (cause the acids won't degrade it) tubing. hook it into the fish tank bubbler. poke lots of tiny holes along the length of the tubing. arrange the tubing on the bottom of your experimental chemistry vessel. voila steady mild agitation. I doubt fish tank heaters need explanation but I'm sure one can be aquired cheaply and easily for the necessary temp range. okay I'm going to review this againa nd see what I forgot. |
Posted By: Save~A~Stray
Date Posted: August 19 2005 at 8:37pm
I'm on DAY 99 of testing!!  I have gone through 3.5 kilos of
Indian hair on this test.....My house has looked like a vat factory for the last 3 months or so. I have another test starting tomorrow and will be done in 20 days. That will be it for a while, as I need my house back!! The documenting will take up sooo much time....I'm kinda burnt out on this experiment but it was worth ALL the work!! I now have great respect for the GL process!!
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Posted By: marie87
Date Posted: August 19 2005 at 8:43pm
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Thank's SAS. I would have been surprised if you had not tryed this after all the research you did I can't wait to here your results. You go Sas, ya little mad scientis
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Posted By: sherrie215
Date Posted: August 19 2005 at 8:52pm
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ditto Marie...SAS, you go girl....you little mad scientist you LOL!
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: August 19 2005 at 9:00pm
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cant you just picture her in a white lab coat with rubber gloves and
some goggles doing the evil laugh? jk SAS. we love you gurl. keep up
the good work ------------- learn to love what you were born with you can do anything if you set your mindto it (just dont try this with hair,that could turn out bad) |