Olga (headshaves)
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Topic: Olga (headshaves)
Posted By: Dick
Subject: Olga (headshaves)
Date Posted: October 20 2003 at 5:30pm
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"Olga" is a new brazilian movie about the revolutionary Olga Benário Prestes. Some scenes take place at a concentration camp where all women had their hair shaved off. So it's what the actresses really did, including the protagonists Camila Morgado...  ... and Milena Toscano (also a top model)  Here are they (Milena on center and Camila on right):  |
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Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: October 20 2003 at 7:02pm
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Some women look good with shaved heads. These ones don't. Especially without proper make up and jewelry and wearing those dreadful uniforms. |
Posted By: BaldJasmine
Date Posted: October 20 2003 at 8:15pm
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Exactly Brent. Having worn the bald look myself in the past, these young ladies need some makeup and long earrings something fierce! Wear a dress too and shave the stubble off of their heads! It defeats the purpose of the bald look to have that little stubble. Of course they were making a movie and apparently wanted to look as nasty as can be. ------------- . |
Posted By: Kuroneko
Date Posted: October 21 2003 at 4:06am
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*laughs* Yeah, it wouldn't be a very accurate concentration camp movie if everyone were dressed up, made up, and looking glam :-P . ------------- More awesome than a manatee! |
Posted By: Dick
Date Posted: October 21 2003 at 11:14am
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All of you are right. I'm not exactly a fan of the bald look myself, but I love when long haired girls shave it. Why? Because I can see them with short hair after. I'm anxious to see Milena with a beautiful short hairstyle. ------------- |
Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: October 21 2003 at 5:10pm
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Interesting there are very few images published on the web about this although there was some publicity (in Portugese). If anyone has seen any larger images please post. Coming Soon type news of the movie at: http://www.cinema.art.br/not_cinenews_filme.asp?cod=2591 - http://www.cinema.art.br/not_cinenews_filme.asp?cod=2591 Jeff |
Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: October 22 2003 at 1:49pm
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shaving: http://www.terra.com.br/istoegente/220/fotos/imagens_03.jpg - http://www.terra.com.br/istoegente/220/fotos/imagens_03.jpg |
Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: October 22 2003 at 1:51pm
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Posted By: Dick
Date Posted: October 23 2003 at 9:40am
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Dear Themakeupgallery, you posted the wrong link inside the IMG code, that's why the picture wasn't shown. Here it is:  ------------- |
Posted By: Gormlaith
Date Posted: October 23 2003 at 9:39pm
Bald needs no adornments. Even not supposed to look good in the context of the movie these women do. |
Brent E. wrote:Posted By: duke
Date Posted: October 24 2003 at 3:36am
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Aiiiee! Don't they have latex bald wigs? It's what long-haired David Carradine (Kwai Chang Kaine) in "Kung Fu: The Legend Continues" used in flashbacks to his days in a shaolin temple (I should know. I was an extra in an episode, filmed Dec. 92 and he had the bald wig. Why didn't they do the same for these (btw attractive) ladies? ------------- |
Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: October 24 2003 at 7:24am
| A bald cap? You have got to be kidding! Those things look so fake!This movie deals with some very sad events,where a girl getting her head shaved was far from the worst thing that was being done to them. I applaud both girls for getting shaved bald!The last set of posted pictures shows a much more gorgeous,sexy,and happy girl AFTER those clippers peeled off her boring hair!!Look at the smile on her face,she LOVES her new look!I hope after the movie is over she NEVER grows out her hair and keeps it supershort forever!!She is ADDORABLE BALD!! |
Posted By: Dick
Date Posted: October 24 2003 at 9:44am
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[QUOTE=luv m short]
Look at the smile on her face,she LOVES her new look! You're right. That's what she said to the press imediatly after shave her head: “Gostaram? Esse visual me afetou sim, mas num sentido positivo. Eu fiquei muito feliz com o resultado não só no profissional, mas também no pessoal. Achei lindo! Iluminou o meu rosto e está incrível! Nunca tive cabelo curto e não imaginava que ia ficar tão bonito. Estou adorando esse visual!” In a free tradution (with my poor english): "Do you like it? This look indeed has affect me, but in a positive way. I'm very happy with the result, not only in the professional side but in the personal side too. I think it's beautiful! It has brightened my face and it's amazing!I never had short hair before and I couldn't imagine it would be so beautiful this way. I'm loving this look!" Unfortunately, the director decided to not include the headshaving scene in the movie. ------------- |
Posted By: Dick
Date Posted: October 24 2003 at 9:49am
 This is the photographer Jaq Jonner. She will be the next woman to shave her head to participating in the filmings of "Olga". ------------- |
Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: October 24 2003 at 10:44am
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Jaq is a beautiful lady. She looks wonderful in her short hairdo. I bet she could make a shaved bald head work for her too if she makes herself up nice. |
Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: October 24 2003 at 6:36pm
This is one of the most ridiculous, shallow and insensitive comments I have ever read. These actresses play characters who had their heads forceably shaved in German concentration camps during the Second World War - they did not shave their heads as a fashion statement. Concentration camps were not holiday camps nor were they fashion shows. Prisoners were lucky to receive food and I don't think that make-up, jewellery and nice clothes were generally available nor wanted. |
Posted By: BaldJasmine
Date Posted: October 24 2003 at 7:05pm
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Of course we know how terrible those concentration camps were. I understand that. I have taken history courses and I have a college degree. Of course we know that concentration camps were terrible places. Anyone who has been to school knows that. But this is a fashion and hair website so I was commenting on that, on their style, we critique hairstyles here. That's what all of us do on this board. This is not a history class or a political science class. I was not commenting on the movie or on the awful conditions of concentration camps. So please don't jump to any conclusions about our sensitivity to human suffering. As an educated person, an African-American, and I hope a decent civilized person, I am of course offended by injustice and brutality toward others. So don't assume I am either insensitive or shallow. I am neither . I'm sure the others who made comments on these women are not insensitive or shallow either. This is a hair and fashion website not a political or history website as such. ------------- . |
Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: October 24 2003 at 8:06pm
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Ipcress: (Ipcress??? What kind of name is that? Is that a male or female name???): Please. Take it easy. We are not idiots. We know the camps were evil. I have chatted with Jasmine on several occasions. She is a bright, sensitive, lovely lady. I don't believe either her or I condone what happened in those camps. Jasmine got it right when she said we discuss hairdos and style on these boards. Don't read any more than that into it. |
Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: October 24 2003 at 9:35pm
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My two cents: Jasmine & Brent seem pretty much on target. As far as the on-set pictures go, Camila & the other actresses do not look "good." Nor are they supposed to if the film has an hope at being realistic. I'm sure that when the actresses involved are off the set, they wear flattering clothes, make-up and so forth and look considerably better. That they look as good as they do in unflattering clothes and make-up is cool. Hopefully some better and more flattering photose of these actresses will be made available. :-) peace |
Posted By: BaldJasmine
Date Posted: October 25 2003 at 8:31pm
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Thanks Brent and Surreal Killa. ------------- . |
Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: October 26 2003 at 6:17pm
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Dear Jasmine, I realise that in quoting you in the preface to my comment it led to what appeared to be a personal attack on you. I apologise for doing that and for any hurt that I caused you. I am fan of websites which are dedicated to the bald look on women. However, my enjoyment is strictly limited to those circumstances where women have voluntarily chosen to shave their heads, perhaps for fashion or career reasons. The situation where actresses have shaved their heads to play holocaust or cancer victims is tricky. Should one "enjoy" such photographs? Personally, I can't enjoy photographs of the actresses whilst they are "in character ". I realise that your comments referred to the actresses being "out of character" and I should not have been so hasty to make a negative critical comment. I also look forward to seeing photographs of these actresses should they choose to be seen with the bald look in their "out of character" and social lives. I would even like to see (unlikely as it is) that they should choose to remain bald long after their roles have called for the need. Please accept my apology. ipcress5 |
Posted By: Aoecean
Date Posted: November 03 2003 at 11:03am
| Having made the transition to a shaved head two months ago....They look great! |
Posted By: uzma
Date Posted: November 03 2003 at 11:40am
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In my opinion, Milena Toscano’s beautiful long hair accentuated the beauty of her face and body. The bald look is appropriate for the movie, but I do wonder how the actresses dealt with their lockless heads in their private moments (i.e their response to themselves), and when they were socialising with the non-film community off set. Personally, having my head shaved would be traumatic – not something I would do through choice. If I was an actress, I would insist on a latex bald cap, however fake-looking, or not do the movie. This is not because my hair is a “security blanket” – anymore than my right arm is my security blanket. It’s just a part of my body that I do not want to be divested of, and seeing these bald women (smiling or not) sends shivers down my spine. The reason heads were shaved in concentration camps and are shaved or cut short in the military (and in certain cultures as a punishment for adulteresses and female prostitutes) is another subject for another thread. However, to me it denotes the removal of individuality, identity, sexuality and personal power among other negatives. If it were a positive then it wouldn’t be used to such devastating effect. Just my take on things. Each to their own. ------------- Uzi |
Posted By: BaldJasmine
Date Posted: November 03 2003 at 5:50pm
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ipcress your apology is accepted. Take care. Uzma, you are an educated woman. We have chatted before. I'm sure you know their are many different cultures around the world Uzma, and women with very short hair or shaved bald heads mean different things in different cultures. I'm an African-American woman as you know. Women in Africa have been shaving their heads for centuries. Some Black women (and sometimes other races of women) shave their heads bald in the United States too. When I was wearing a shaved head I felt very much an individual, and a liberated woman, hardly oppressed, and some men found it sexy. I still wear my hair very short as we have discussed. Maybe having a shaved head or a very short haircut seems absolutely dreadful to you Uzma but don't assume other women feel that way. I find it ridiculous that some women of African heritage spend so much time and money on having their hair relaxed and straightened and then try and grow it long like some Asian or Caucasion women do, to me that is oppressive. I could say it is just as oppresive for women, of any race, to grow their hair long. You must admit, it is so much easier to care for a short crop. But I don't assume that women with long hair are being oppressed. So please don't assume that us women with very short hair or bald women are being oppressed. As long as it is our choice lady, no one should assume that we are victims of any sort. Sorry about the little sermon Uzma but you must know by now how us women with short hair are on this topic !  I should add too, that I don't like the concentration camp bald look on women. I like the more fashionable bald look where a woman chooses to be bald and makes herself look nice with makeup and earrings and all of that. I certainly am not in any way for any kind of oppression of women or anyone else! Just had to make that clear to you. ------------- . |
Posted By: uzma
Date Posted: November 03 2003 at 6:57pm
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Hi BaldJasmine I agree that a shaved head has culture-dependent meanings (which is why I mentioned the eastern practices of punishing women by removing their hair in cases of adultery or prostitution). Oppression is dependent on the social, political and cultural context and on whether the “style” is inflicted or chosen. In the U.K, I have seen racist skinheads, victims of the nazi camps, the military and two female popstars (Skin from Skunk Anasi and Sinead O’Connor) with shaved heads. In the Middle East and Asia – where long hair is the traditional norm, the shaving of womens heads is typically used as punishment. I am an eastern woman living in the western world, so my cultural metaphors and experiences are different to yours in some ways. I do have first generation African friends (those who have recently come to the U.K) who inform me that female hairstyles in Benin, Ghana and among the Masai are traditionally used to signify girl or womanhood, sexual availability and status. Funny that now these women are in Britain, they are quickly shedding their traditional (imposed) styles and getting busy with growing their hair and putting in weaves, extensions etc. Very few of these women opt to keep their shaved heads or crops. Free choice or cultural conformism? Perhaps that’s something for the African American hair board to discuss. Must I admit that a short crop is easier to care for? Well, about 4 years ago I had one inch long hair which I had to get cut every 3 weeks, used gels, waxes every day, had to wash it every day due to that gunk and basically spent a lot of time and money to make sure it looked right. I actually find that the longer my hair gets, the easier/cheaper/quicker it is to look after. I haven’t had a haircut in over a year, only wash it every 4-5 days and don’t spend any money on styling products. I admit I am buying more expensive better quality products to care for my locks, though. But hey, that’s just my experience. I am curious about one thing. I have heard quite a few protagonists of the bald/cropped/v.short pixie look on females emphasise the use of make-up and jewellery with these styles, as opposed to a bare faced and unadorned look. Why is this? Is it a particular fashion or is it the expression of a need to visually differentiate the femaleness of the wearer? I only suggest this as the most numerous owners of bald heads are middle-aged men. Yes, I know that a woman’s body and facial features should be sufficient to identify her as a woman, but I really do wonder at the need for additional decoration…….perhaps you can enlighten me?
I made no such assumption. As I said, I speak only for myself – each to their own. ------------- Uzi |
Posted By: BaldJasmine
Date Posted: November 03 2003 at 8:18pm
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lol! You defend your case well Uzma. You really do love your long hair don't you girl!  Uzma, I bet I spend less on hair products than you do. I wear my hair in a very short afro crop, cut pretty close to the scalp. I don't need to brush or comb my hair, I use no type of hair cream or gels, I'm completely natural. I just shampoo my hair when I am taking a shower. That's it girl! That is all I do. I do go every 4-6 weeks to the salon to have my 'do trimmed but I enjoy that, it is a social time for me, a chance to be with the ladies a little. As far as the women of African descent who live in the U.K., well I've never been to the Britian, but I would assume they are trying to fit into the dominant western culture there. So of course they are less likely to wear African clothes, or speak African languages, or wear their hair as they did in Africa. That doesn't surprise me any. So they go for the wigs, weaves and try and grow their hair, maybe have it relaxed too. Now Uzma, you said they "had" to wear their hair short or in African styles in Africa. They were obligated to wear their hair that way. Well couldn't the same be said of Middle Eastern women in the middle East Uzma, that they traditionally wore their hair a little longer, they were expected to wear their hair long? They didn't exactly wear pixies I'm sure. It's funny though. Sometimes when you meet Asian or Arab- Christian woman in the States, it's incredible how often they reject the long hair of their tradition and wear short bobs and pixies and other short styles. There are even jokes made about all of the Chinese women in America who wear short bobs, it's like their helmet or hat, the cute Asian lady with the short bob haircut! lol! Most of the Asian women seem to wear short styles like that, or at least many of them. So it isn't just African women that change their hairstyle to fit into a different culture. You asked about makeup and jewelry with short hair. I would wear makeup and earrings even if I had long hair down to my beautiful Black bottom. lol! I just like to wear makeup and earrings Uzma. To me it is feminine and it makes a woman look good, regardless of her hair length. Both you and I are city girls Uzma, me Chicago, you London. But we seem to be quite different in some ways, and I don't just mean hair length differences. You seem to me to be an earth woman Uzma, a nature girl. Or at least you would like to be one. You wrote you don't wear makeup, you love to go out into the country, a big metro city like London seems oppressive to you, you compared it to people living in a jail. I'm just the opposite Uzma. I love metropolitan life. I would go stir crazy girl out in the sticks! I want to live in a decent part of the metro (which I do) of course, but I love all of the diversity of people, all of the great variety of culture, the energy of the city. I'm a city girl. And I like my makeup and earrings and jewelry and sexy dresses and sometimes I wear heels and the whole urban woman thang, you know what I mean! I'm just not a nature girl, although I am a strong believer in protecting the environment and shifting to alternative cars and energy of course, all of that. I am politically progressive. So that's why I like my makeup and jewelry Uzma. Hair length has nothin to do with it. It's funny Uzma. For centuries up until the 1960s liberation movements, Black women in America either got their hair relaxed and tried to grow it long like White women, or they would wear wigs or headscarves over their naturally nappy short hair. They were so ashamed to look African. But since the 1960s us Black women have been able to wear our hair any way we want. And since I'm middle 30ish that means my whole life. Many African-American women still get their hair relaxed and grow it a little longer or wear short relaxed styles. Many Black women wear wigs or braids or weaves or headscarves too. Some wear short cornrows and many still wear the short afros that first became popular in the 1960s-1970s. Even the occasional shaved head on a Black lady. We can, and do, wear our hair however we like. Finally, free at last, to paraphrase Dr. Martin Luther King. But really I am free in my head, I'm an individual, I do what I like. I'm also lucky. I got an education and got out of the inner city southside Chicago ghetto. Whew I've written a lot on these boards today. I have to take a break Uzma and spend time with my kids before bedtime. Thanks for the conversation Uzma. God bless our differences!------------- . |