Conan's insults
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Printed Date: January 26 2026 at 9:55am
Topic: Conan's insults
Posted By: BaldJasmine
Subject: Conan's insults
Date Posted: February 14 2005 at 8:44pm
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Ok Conan. Why don't you register like the rest of us. And quit writing insulting things to people. And by the way, you insulted all of us women who wear very short cropped hair or have shaved our heads before. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe we wear our hair this way because we like it? There is nothing sinister or fetish about it, and there is nothing wrong with a man liking women with those styles. Keep your insulting and narrow minded opinions to yourself! I have been writing here on Hair Talk for quite awhile now Conan, and you are one of the more insulting and juvenile people. And we know that you are not really Conan O'Brien. Dave or Karen, isn't there something you can do about people like Conan who refuse to register and who write insulting things? I have had it with people like that.  ------------- . |
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Posted By: ssjockey
Date Posted: February 14 2005 at 9:07pm
I appreciate the sentiment Jasmine, however, IMO, the best thing to do to someone who throws out insults all the time is to ignore them. Besides, this IS the Internet, and people are free to give their opinions, no matter how rude or uninformed they may be. When you see his posts, just skip them.
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BaldJasmine wrote:Posted By: BlondeJohn
Date Posted: February 14 2005 at 11:16pm
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I agree BaldJasmine. Well said. Apparently Conan is one of these bigoted and/or ethnocentric people that believe only Western cultures are "civilized", as he put it, and Africans and other cultures around the world are not. Looking at the brutal history of Western sexism, colonialism, and imperialism (including continued imperialism to this day), of West Europeans and Americans, this is highly debatable. ______________________ Most websites I write on; be they long hair sites, political sites, or philisophical sites, require registration to even be able to post on them. It sort of surprises me that this one doesn't. This website seems to me to be a pretty well organized and fairly elaborate place on the internet. ________________________________ SSJockey. The purpose of these websites is not just to give people a place to chat, but to sell the products of the website. Chat boards encourage people to visit the website. If people like Conan write negative or insulting comments to others on their prefered hairstyles, or whatever the negative condescending statements involve, it creates dissension on the boards and drives people away from the boards, therefore reducing the oppurtunities for people to frequent here and possibly purchase the products or services offered by the website. ____________________________________ Most websites therefore require registration and keep people like Conan off the boards. It isn't a moral decision or a "freedom of speech decision", it is a business decision, and as a privately owned entity, of course the people who own and run the website have every right to prohibit those who they believe are causing problems for them from the boards. It is a business decision, not to mention the proper thing to do out of respect for the sincere people who frequent the boards. ------------- |
Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 12:18am
| Don't think it has anything to do with registration. A person who likes throwing out insults will do the same thing if he is registeres. What did he say anyhow? |
Posted By: BlondeJohn
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 12:38am
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Conan went on a rant on the Melissa Ethridge thread, insulting certain people, hairstyles, and cultures. ------------- |
Posted By: ssjockey
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 1:05am
I think you may miss my point John, much of the time insults are used to get a reaction (just like this). I'm not condoning or encouraging. I'm just saying that if we as a community would ignore comments like that, the idiots would go away.
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Posted By: natasha
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 4:15am
It does. If you look through the archives of this board (or any other public board), the majority of offending, disruptive or outright idiotic posts are made by 'unregistered' users. There is, of course, the occasional 'registered' troll. But the majority of trouble-makers feel more 'comfortable' in environments where they don't have to register and give any personal information. |
Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 9:26am
| Well...they can easily just tell a lot of lies to sign up...and the IP is registered anyway. I think you would miss many casual posts if people always had to sign up. |
Posted By: Hal
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 10:00am
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Am I the only one that finds it interesting that Conan seems to have no opinion on this subject? ------------- |
Posted By: ssjockey
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 1:16pm
He's probably waiting for all of us to vent so he can write something extremely insulting (or so I hope!) |
Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 5:45pm
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Ok the fact of the matter is you all hide behind names to. Like name blondjohn or bald jasmine. Yeah that's really specific. Face it everyone has some form of secrecy or another online. Until the day comes when everyone has to get id chips and you have to use your real name and address just to use a messgae board eveeyone is cloaked in ther eown form of animity. As for being accused of insultign people that untrue. The truth hurts. The problem is the minority gets all pissy because everyone doesnt have shaved heads. I never insulted shorthair woman. In the short hair thread i tlold one young lady dont let people or as i called tem wahoo suggest to get a pixie. that is not an isult to woman with pixies that is an comment to people who cant give advice without hving the fetish get in the way. i'llbe the whipping boy, I dont mind. You all need someone to take your frustration out on. The minute someone disagrees with you or your point of views or preferences you attack people. Im not type of person as blondejohn claims that thinks we are better here then anyone. Yes we treat our woman better then other countires. deal with it. If you want to have woman subserviant move to afganistan. The fact of the matter is there is a number of people here in this country that the minute you dont agree with them villanize you. Much like some people in charge of this country make outher countires and religions out to be.Many of you here are a product of this mentality. Does it sound familiar? . The minute someone disagrees with you or your preferences or lifestyle you get personal attacks. sounds liek alot of the mdia and people in charge. The fact of the mater is freedom of speech doesnt exist anymore. many of you are prefect examples of that. Freedom of speech to you is as long as you agree with it and it doesnt offend someone else. Well guess what thats not reality. None of us are ever gonan agree with everyone. Thats why as a human race we'd had war after war. Thr reality is inregards to this subject. woman who choose to shave theri heads completely bald are in the minority in this country. You have an issue with that? Dont take it out on me for saying it take it up with woman with beautiful long hair. Contact your congresmen and ask them if they an pass somemore perposterous bills, amabe they can ban long hair so the minority feels they have there say. Your anger lies inthe fact you are in the minority. i am the whipping boy because i state it. I dont have an issue nor did i ever state i had an issue with bald woman. my comments were directed and stand as directed towards men with blad head woman fetishes. I have no guilt for stating the fact that men who have this fetish , there fetish is based on masochist and thoughts towards woman. Dont tell me after looking at these perverse sites of men shavign womans heads, for little amounts of moeny that this isnt demeanignt towoman. Dont tell me that this act isnto satisy the Man, in return the woman is compasated for her subserviant act. It's degrading to woman. If a woman choose to shave her head on her own to please herself that is completely different and s subject that i never mentioned critized or addressed. Open your eyes read correctly, thru my typos and get off your high horses and amybe you'll realise thatcomments can help us all learn something aboutourselves if we are open and not waitign with torches and sticks to attack anyoen who has different view points. Good day |
Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 6:00pm
| Well written Conan....sans the typos of course....but the message nailed home I would hope. |
Posted By: ssjockey
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 6:09pm
Now, Conan is 110% correct. We all say we love free speech, but when people say things we don't like....well, you get the idea. People from both red and blue states are guilty of vilifying those who disagree with them. My point is this is the internet, and you should never take personally anything written here. People will type things they would never talk about. If we really do embrace free speech, and you don't like what Conan writes, don't read it. I don't like Howard Stern, Rush Limbaugh, Jeane Garafalo or Bill O'Riley so I don't listen to any of them. I've been posting on this board since the first week it was open, and many times on this board, individuals have posted much nastier and insideous things, trolls have put up fake posts, and this message board was seriously hacked a while back. Through it all this board has remained a great place to BS, give opinions, tease one another and exchange information. It would be unfortunate if Conan was barred. Much thanks to Dave for helping keep this board a good place to exchange ideas. |
Posted By: BaldJasmine
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 7:14pm
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Conan,You are narrow minded and ignorant, and you make sweeping generalizations that aren't true. Most men who date or are married to bald women are not sadistic, including men I have been with. Your statements are just silly. This is the 2000s, there are many different styles these days. There is no "majority" hairstyle. Every type of hairstyle on women is a minority hairstyle. There are many different styles including very short hair and shaved heads on women. And I'm sure that men that like bald or short haired women don't expect every woman to have hair like that. Your statements are absurd. Also you know very little about other cultures. African women have been shaving their heads for centuries, and many African countries have full rights for women, they are nothing like Afighanistan! There have been African women who are queens of entire ethnic groups!!! The European cultures did far more harm to the world's people than Africans ever did! So don't pretend that Europeans or Western people are more civilized than People of Color around the world. I don't condemn Europeans or White people, so don't you condemn the styles of Black people or Afro-Centric culture. A bald head on a woman is nothing more than that, it is just a fashion style. It doesn't mean the woman is a masochist or men who like women like that are sadists. Most Africans or Black people are not sadists or masochists. It is only your own twisted mind that believes that. You make immature and ignorant statements Conan, and you are, by what you wote, a racist against non-Euroopean cultures. As a Black woman, who sometimes has worn the bald look proudly, you offend me. Conan, if you won't register and won't quit being racist in regards to non-Western cultures and people, then you shouldn't be allowed to write on this website. ------------- . |
Posted By: BaldJasmine
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 7:24pm
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ssjockey, I have to comment on what you wrote. Conan's opinions don't give him the right to judge other cultures in a racist way. He is not correct, Western people or countries are not always more civilized. He is also not right in saying that men that like bald women are sadists who want to hurt or subjugate women. That is AMAZINGLY IGNORANT, that has not been my experience at all, in fact men who like or accept bald women are usually MORE PROGRESSIVE ON SOCIAL ISSUES REDARDING WOMEN! ------------- . |
Posted By: Camille83
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 9:48pm
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BaldJasmine just move on ok because you like to cause trouble so lets just move on and forget about this dumb subject PS who ever is in charge with Celebrity Hair Talk lets please close this subject and thank you Camille  ------------- |
Posted By: BaldJasmine
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 11:21pm
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Camille, I am not trying to cause trouble. I have been writing on these boards for a long time and never caused trouble. You can read my posts and know this. I would like nothing better than to move on from this, but Conan has been causing mischief for some time, and I don't like Black people, African cultures, or non-Western cultures refered to as "uncivilized" (Conan refered to the civilized world as basically being just Europe and America). I would be pleased if Dave or Karen would remove both this thread and the Mellissa Ethridge thread (the thread where Conan wrote such insulting comments). I don't want trouble, but I believe it would be better if people registered and refrained from making degrading statements against non-Western people or people of color. I agree with Natasha. I am not the only one who is tired of unregistered people causing problems, and it is almost always the unregistered ones that attempt to stir up trouble on these boards. ------------- . |
Posted By: BlondeJohn
Date Posted: February 16 2005 at 1:21am
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Conan, not all the women who shave their heads or get buzzcuts are the types of women on the websites you mentioned. Also, many men who like that look on women are not the least bit interested in humiliating women. __________________________________ Many people don't find shaved heads on women degrading to women at all, but an unusual and exotic look on women. I've always found a bald head to be exotic and sensual on certain women (not all women), and I know that I am not at all interested in humiliating women. My own wife wears her hair very short. ___________________________________ I've met a number of women in my life with shaved heads, and the reasons they shave their heads varies from lady to lady. It's true that some who shave their heads may be masochists or submissives to men (which is their choice as an adult), but others are just the opposite, they are your liberated, independent types. Other bald women are artists. Other women shave their head for fashion reasons, (like some of the bald fashion models), they just like the look of it, they do it for fashion reasons. Others do it for spiritual reasons. ________________________________ You are right, bald heads on women is not a common style, but so what? Just because it is uncommon doesn't mean there is anything wrong with it. It would be a pretty dull world if we all liked the same things or wore our hair the same way. _______________________________________ I say if a lady wants to shave her head so be it. If a man wants to date or marry a woman with a shaved head, that's fine too. Who are you to judge them? I am sure you don't want to be judged on your hairstyle choice, whether it be conventional or not. I know I don't want to be judged because I wear my hair longer than most men do. __________________________________ What offended me the most about your posts Conan is what seems to have bothered BaldJasmine too. That is, this assumption that North America and West Europe are civilized, but other parts of the world aren't, so that their opinions, lifestyles, or fashion ideas are irrelevant or uncivilized. It is thinking like that, that in fact created the brutality of European colonialism, which killed God knows how many people in the Third World. It is this smug arrogance that lead the U.S. into the tragic fiasco of the Vietnam war, that killed 3 million Vietnamese, and tens of thousands of young Americans. It is this type of attitude that is leading us into one war after another in the Muslim world today, in the name of showing them a "superior" way of doing things. America and the West don't always know better, we are not always more civilized. Our politics, culture, hairstyles, etc., are not always superior to other parts of the world. We are only hurting ourselves and others by believing we, and our way of doing things, are superior or more civilized. ________________________________ Likewise, it is arrogant and foolish to assume anything about a hair style, and the reasons a person wears it. If you don't like a certain hairstyle, fine, you have every right not to like a shaved head on a woman. But it is arrogant and foolish to assume anything about that woman, or the man she is with, unless you know both of them very well. Have a good evening. ------------- |
Posted By: DaveDecker
Date Posted: February 16 2005 at 5:40pm
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It is my perspective that the primary instigator of discord here is not "Conan OBrien," but rather, BaldJasmine. "Conan OBrien" may post unusual musings (oftentimes humorous), but I do not believe he is guilty of the charges leveled by BaldJasmine. I do not believe that the board should be changed to registration-only, but I will take that suggestion "under advisement." I request everybody to be considerate in posting to and about other participants here. Please do not start a new thread to rehash this (or very similar) topic. This thread is now closed. ------------- |