I used silicone to pretip & it’s amazing
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Topic: I used silicone to pretip & it’s amazing
Posted By: luzminerva4u
Subject: I used silicone to pretip & it’s amazing
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 4:15pm
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So, I couldn't find the expoxy that marie used at my home depot, soo I pretipped with Silicone instead and it went really well. I will have some photos up Tuesday I used GE Silicone II 100% silicone Sealant clear. It is low oder (so it's not real stinky when applying) withsdands temps up to 400F, I think because it says "NOT for surfaces that will exceed 400F. Gets tacky in 30 min, so it's really easy to work with and It fully cures in 24 hours. Next test will be to put them in, I will be using Amms black shrinkies ------------- That's the difference between me and the rest of the world! Hapiness isn't good enough for me! I demand euphoria! |
, let's see how silicone works with shrinkies wish me luck!
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Posted By: Amanda8Beechwoo
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 4:39pm
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Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 5:27pm
| That sounds awesome, Luz. I can't wait to see how it turns out. Good luck! :) |
Posted By: BirdOfEden
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 5:47pm
| What kind of epoxy are you all talking about? I got some epoxy from the hardare store the other day, the kind where you have to mix two liquids. I read it and there was somewhere on the package (in fine print) that said the ingredients may cause cancer. I don't know if you all are talking about the same thing, but I'd check. |
Posted By: marie87
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 6:08pm
| I bought that same silacone but only made one tip with it I bought it to try to go over pre tipped hair, as we saw some one else say they did this. the one tip I made (not pre tipped hair but just silicone did not seam to hold the hair well. I could pull it apart. I still would like to try it to coat a pretip! |
Posted By: Longhairdreams
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 6:11pm
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Wow,luzminerva that sounds awsome.I have been practicing with liquid gold and even one drop can turn into a mess.And your right about the smell(its right up there with poo).
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Posted By: marie87
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 6:11pm
Oh and bird thats why I tell you to open the window!! By the way acetone causes cancer too. But I must say I do love my epoxy tips I am going to make about 200 of the buggers in a bit here for a client I'm doing on tuesday
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Posted By: Amanda8Beechwoo
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 6:13pm
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Posted By: marie87
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 6:19pm
| Why at your at the hardwear store buing the epoxy you can have them get you the right mask for fumes.If you saw my post on how to make more in less time it will cut your exposure down.I live dangerosly. I have removed asbestos and countless encounters with led paint while restoring this house!!Whats a little epoxy at this point? |
Posted By: Amanda8Beechwoo
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 6:24pm
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Posted By: marie87
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 6:28pm
| Then wear the mask. |
Posted By: Amanda8Beechwoo
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 4:55am
| Its not me that I'm too bothered about but I have a cat and four dogs so I don't think this will be a suitable method for me. I'm going to go to the home depot after work though and do some investigating xx |
Posted By: kateadreena
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 6:43am
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hmm, totally unrelated but asbestos comes back to haunt you in later life, my boyfriens fathers friend just died because he touched some on a roof 30 years ago |
marie87 wrote:
Posted By: hairraisin
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 7:45am
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Chemotherapy is also toxic, but when a nurse is administering it, they have to gown,glove, and mask up.
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Posted By: Amanda8Beechwoo
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 8:25am
| So what is the overall view on this epoxy thing. Am I just being over cautious or is there a genuine risk involved xx |
Posted By: marie87
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 8:26am
There are so many things out there that will get you. Pesticids in your vegy's god knows what in your water and most things you don't eaven know how to avoid or that your in contact with in the frist place!! As I said wear a mask. For asbestos I spray it with water before removing, led (all my moldings that I have removed I wear a mask (ventilator).I am trying to get as close to MB's as posible and the epoxy is it for me. If eaven with percations you do not wish to use this that's totaly your choice .
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Posted By: kateadreena
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 8:32am
| yea it is upto individual preference, i'd be far too scared to use it after reading that - i'd just invest in a glue gun hehe :D |
Posted By: BirdOfEden
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 12:41pm
| Don't forget the fact that the warning doesn't *just* say to avoid breathing it, it ALSO says to avoid contact with SKIN! So if you are pretipping and rolling it, it is definitely coming into contact with your skin, and wearing a face mask isn't going to protect you from that. You could wear gloves, but that would be a sticky mess as it would stick to your gloves. Also, wearing on your head that is known to cause cancer seem way too dangerous to me. If you don't mind the risk of cancer and want to use epoxy anyways, that's your perogative, but please don't use epoxy tipped hair on anyone else. |
Posted By: Amanda8Beechwoo
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 12:46pm
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Posted By: marie87
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 1:25pm
| Epoxy once dry is plastic the same stuff you touch all the time . it compleatly canges to a diferent product once the two parts are mixed and then cured. The silicones I have tryed do not end up sticking to the hair well they peel off.It may be usefull to coat pretipped hair though. |
Posted By: Syren123
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 1:29pm
| Being a girl with a recurring brain tumor (not cancer, thank God), I am super wary of putting things on my head anymore and that includes hair color. Things seep through your skin, no doubt about it, and putting anything highly toxic - like epoxy - in close proximity to your scalp for a long period of time - weeks - seems unduly risky to me. There are so many NON toxic glues why would you even risk it? And most toxins are cumulative - they collect in your tissues and do their damage over time. There's already enough toxin in the environment - why add more to yourself? Just use a nontoxic glue or cheapie latex for your pretips - they only have to hold the hair together for a month or so, right? They don't have to survive nuclear winter or anything. |
Posted By: delin
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 10:05pm
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I've been using epoxy for about 2 months now. I prefer the kind that allows 30 working minutes so you don't end up with a hardened puddle after 5 tips. My skin never touches it...I brush the hairs though and twirl it on the aluminum foil and hang the tip up to dry. I haven't noticed any odor. Once the epoxy hardens it's like plastic and I would doubt it could emit anything, but I haven't researched it. Hate hate hate liquid gold. The latex route is too time consuming and the nail glue coating is too brittle for comfort on my head. I prefer the ease and time factor involved with epoxy. |
Posted By: marie87
Date Posted: April 26 2005 at 4:49am
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All so it is inside the shrink. allthough what are shrinks made of? I am planing on buying the good EP hair for my clients so yes I do want it to hold up. Some say it can be reused for 1 to 2 years. And once again it's plastic once dry,no fumes. Delin what type do you use, the 30 min's I looked at couldnt withstand the heat. I would love it if that worked though.
Once again to each his own. accetone is very bad for you and your client breathing it and yet many use this to remove extensions with out so much discussion. My daughter rides a bike with a helmet so wear a mask with epoxy. Or chose not to use it. |
Posted By: BirdOfEden
Date Posted: April 26 2005 at 8:33am
| Since none of us here have doctorates in biochemistry and have experimented in our laboratories, I don't think it's safe to just assume that epoxy is harmless once it's dry. It may very well be, but since we're dealing with CANCER, a potentially deadly disease, can you afford to assume? Again, if you don't regard yourself highly enough to safeguard against known cancer causing agents, that's your perogative. BUT, if you use something potentially fatal on your clients, you are basically experimenting with their lives! Can you sleep at night knowing that? Sure, it might be totally harmless once it's dry, but YOU don't know that. All you DO know is that it DOES cause cancer when wet! Is it really too hard to find something else to pretip with? |
Posted By: BirdOfEden
Date Posted: April 26 2005 at 8:41am
| Plus, I think there would be some pretty big lawsuits if someone found out you were using a substance on their head that has been proven to cause cancer. I'd sue the &*(#$ out of someone if they did that to me, not to mention the possible criminal charges from the government. |
Posted By: luzminerva4u
Date Posted: April 26 2005 at 4:09pm
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With all respect to everyone... epoxy may or may not cause cancer, depending on wether it's wet or dry, but unless a real biochemical expert chimes in and clears it up for us I don't think it's helpful for any of us to get into spiting contests Does anyone know a real biochemical expert who can give us the facts so that we can end this debate? ------------- That's the difference between me and the rest of the world! Hapiness isn't good enough for me! I demand euphoria! |
. Posted By: Syren123
Date Posted: April 26 2005 at 4:20pm
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Actually, the thread really got offtrack from your original post about using silicone to pretip! I think that sounds awesome, actually, cuz silicone is water repellent so you'd think it would be great for tips and would last a long time. It's flexible so probably more comfortable, esp. under a small shrinkie.
You could look up the ingredients listed on the tube for toxicity on the internet. My guess is that it's not very toxic since silicone is used in lots of medical applications...maybe in a different form but you could check. |
Posted By: luzminerva4u
Date Posted: April 26 2005 at 4:42pm
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Good point syren. Just hate to see us all beating eachother up instead of helping eachother find answers. ------------- That's the difference between me and the rest of the world! Hapiness isn't good enough for me! I demand euphoria! |
Posted By: Syren123
Date Posted: April 26 2005 at 4:44pm
| It happens sometimes. |
Posted By: marie87
Date Posted: April 26 2005 at 5:10pm
| Yes, I will no longer share another thing. Any new finds I will keep to myself. |
Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: April 26 2005 at 5:34pm
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AFAIK, a lot of the glues used for pretipping are, at least to some
extent, considered toxins, so everyone should be careful when using
this stuff. As I understand it, Gorilla Glue is a urethane glue, and although the packaging claims it's non-toxic, this review does say that it's relatively toxic to the touch, so perhaps it's best to wear gloves or finger condoms: http://www.thistothat.com/gom/2000.02.shtml - http://www.thistothat.com/gom/2000.02.shtml . Apparently, Liquid Gold is made with dioxane, which is also somewhat toxic: http://www.checnet.org/healthehouse/chemicals/chemicals-cat.asp - http://www.checnet.org/healthehouse/chemicals/chemicals-cat. asp I'm not trying to freak anyone out here. There's always some level of risk with any chemicals, but I do think trying to avoid direct skin contact with these products when they're wet would be wise. Also, I'm obviously not a doctor or a chemist, so anyone correct me if I'm off. :) |
Posted By: BirdOfEden
Date Posted: April 26 2005 at 6:16pm
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Marie, there's no need to be offended. I'm definitely not attacking you or anyone else for that matter. It's just really important for people to understand that it's not morally or ethically right to put other people's live in jeapordy without them knowing. That's all. |
Posted By: luzminerva4u
Date Posted: April 26 2005 at 6:24pm
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Yes it's a fact: Epoxy is harmful and causes cancer when wet but according to manufactures instructions that isn't a problem as long as you either avoid using it altogether or wear the appropriate gear to protect yourself while using it in its wet stage. Marie, Don't stop sharing your experiments with us. We all benefit and all our input helps everyone learn what is or isn’t safe for all of us to use on our heads. Complete (verses partial) facts are most important meaning….none of us are qualified to guess, only a chemical professional can tell us the complete facts of whether or not epoxy is cancerous or still harmful when fully dry. We already know the facts/dangers and precautions to take when epoxy is wet but does anyone know a real biochemist/professional who CAN answer the question: Is Epoxy a cancerous and unsafe material when dry? Why do I care? Because it sounds like epoxy is the most durable and easiest pre tipping material out there, so far, and that's exactly what I want for my pre tips, cuz pretipping is so time consuming, not fun and it’s definitely something I want to spend as little time doing as possible. If epoxy doesn't cause cancer once it is fully cured/dry then I would love to know that, this way I have yet another option for pretipping hair. Anyone know a bio chemist who would genuinely be interested in helping a bunch of hairaholics find the answer to the epoxy mystery? ------------- That's the difference between me and the rest of the world! Hapiness isn't good enough for me! I demand euphoria! |
Posted By: Amanda8Beechwoo
Date Posted: April 26 2005 at 6:57pm
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Posted By: Halo
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 2:43pm
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I'm friends with a brilliant biochemist!
We haven't talked for a while and I doubt he'll appreciate me jumping out of the woodwork and asking him to do work for me for free but I will ask him and see what he has to say about it all. I'll let you all know if he has anything good to tell me. Meanwhile I'm considering a few different tipping glues so I'm curious about their safety too. I was considering tipping some ext hair and shrinky-ing it to a piece of my own hair (cut off of my head just for safety sake) and washing/drying/curling it a few times. Then I'll attempt removal and see what works best before trying it on my own head. Just in case god forbid it melts my hair or into my hair or who knows what else. I like my hair unmelted and healthy way too much to risk it Have to admit I'm enjoying the idea of doing my little hair extension experiments though I think I'm awaiting my shrinkies order with more excitement than all my other Christmas presents put together 
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Posted By: HAIR_VETERAN
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 10:28pm
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I'm sure almost everything we put in our hair, on our bodies, and in our bodies has some degree of toxicity in it.
Most medication we take may be good for you at the time, but later may cause life threatening diseases.
I think if the customer is informed and they still want to do it, then no harm done. They can't blame no one for it, cuz they were informed.
Besides, if it is in the shrinkie, will it be touching any part of the head? Even if the shrinkie is pushed up to the scalp, and the pre-tipped hair is inserted only half way or a third in the shrinkie?
Hey, I'm just asking!  ------------- WEAVE WEARER SINCE 1991 |
Posted By: HAIR_VETERAN
Date Posted: November 30 2006 at 10:35pm
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Besides, it sounds like a real good idea.
I'll probably do some research into the glue/epoxy first.
I'll look into what they have in the glue the companies use for their tips and look for something close to that. ------------- WEAVE WEARER SINCE 1991 |
Posted By: Halo
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 3:50am
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Ok I asked him and he said it's organic chemistry and not really his field
but he explained a bit to me and it's a lot more complicated than I imagined From what I understand the epoxy has a reaction when curing that can be interfered with by adding the hair and also by coming into prolonged contact with other elements like shampoos/shower/hair treatments water/other glues etc... He said there's different kinds of epoxy so he'd need to know the chemical composition of the 2 epoxy parts to then determine if a reaction occurs (other than the intended bonding reaction) and that it would have to be tested in a few ways for safety He also threatened to tan my hide if I attempted to use something like that on myself before I'm sure it's safe Also I found that the silicone I was considering using as an alternative to the epoxy forms acetic acid when it comes into contact with moisture I don't know how much or to what degree but that can apparantly cause skin burns at some levels It's so much more complicated than I thought. Now I'm afraid to try anything that hasn't been proven safe. I have made enough hair mistakes. Not ready to lose more hair. ugggg Dunno what I'm gonna do now I guess I feel safer with the LG and nail glue since that's at least intended for wear on the body and (I hope) already tested for safety Has anyone mixed LG and proclaim and topped with nail glue? and how do I find out if mixing those is safe since I dunno if there'll be some strange reaction there double ugg and time for bed |
Posted By: HAIR_VETERAN
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 3:22pm
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Well i guess it's back to the old fashion way. And the exspensive way. Oh well, what can you do? ------------- WEAVE WEARER SINCE 1991 |
Posted By: Halo
Date Posted: December 03 2006 at 3:28am
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ok update
I've been looking into a few different things that when cured are very similar in makeup to the plastics we eat and drink out of every day I think he was being super protective cuz that's how he usually is. He then later asked me if I wanted his professional opinion for someone and how much they'd be willing to pay for his expertice. I'm almost offended when I think about it too much. I'm gonna ask one of my professors about it all and see what he says I think a good tip though is to look at the material safety data sheet of whatever you're considering using to tip the extensions. And look to see if there are any recorded reactions between whetever you're using if you're using more than one agent. Someone has done most of the work already if you know where to find it. It's just a giant pain in the fanny to find it. |
Posted By: Halo
Date Posted: December 04 2006 at 10:47am
| I've been doing searches on here and reading old threads and you girls have covered all of this before. So so sorry for the repeat info and not really offering anything new or helpful. Wish there was a way I could read all the old threads from the very beginning but there's so many. I feel like there's so much more I want to know that you've already covered but I have limited time on here. |
Posted By: amm
Date Posted: December 04 2006 at 10:58am
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I personally don't mind at all when old threads are pulled up. That's what they're there for!
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