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Topic: OT Hair dye - What do you like?
Posted By: Kimbearly
Subject: OT Hair dye - What do you like?
Date Posted: May 23 2005 at 12:24pm

Hi girls

Just wondering what everyone uses out there.  I myself have a few grays near my part line (8-10).  I have been going to a lady for the past few dye jobs and she has been using Nexus hair color on my hair.  I am very pleased on how well it covers gray hair since mine are very stubborn.  What I don't like is how it does not seem very shiny to me.  When I used Nice and Easy in the past I used to get this great shine to my hair but on the downside it did not cover my gray hairs as well.

What do you use?




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Posted By: mochachip
Date Posted: May 23 2005 at 1:32pm
I'm really lucky that clairol loving care works on all but my most stubborn grey.  I have a crayon thing for those if they are exposed.  I used to use  demipermanent from Sally's, wella in #3?  arghh hair dye colors versus hair color colors.  they all match reasonably well at that end of the spectrum.  I only stopped becasue I'm trying to cut back on chemicals in general.  I have too many sections that have so many different combo's of chemical treatment and no two are the same.  figured I'd drop it back for a while...


Posted By: leia1979
Date Posted: May 23 2005 at 10:42pm
I like Wella Colorcharm for permanent and Clairol Colorgloss for semi-permanent.  However, I don't have any grey-covering experience (I pray to be like my grandma--she's over 80 and is only about half grey!).  

Anyway, if you're looking for extra shine, Clairol Colorgloss makes a clear shine.  You mix it with the Colorgloss developer, apply for 5 or 10 minutes, and it adds a clear coat gloss to your hair.  I buy it at Sally's.


Posted By: amm
Date Posted: May 23 2005 at 10:49pm
I've used stuff like Feria and Colorsilk...just over the counter type coloring and nothing lasts more than a couple weeks and it's gone. Wonder why it won't stick?

I desperately need some lowlights on top but colorists want $100 for a few streaks.

Is there something at Sally's I can use to darken a bit and then put lighter streaks back in?

My bangs and crown looks so matte and unexciting right now.

Like the Colorgloss idea. I'll pick some of that up.

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Posted By: metalgirl
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 1:07am

I use Scruples permanent color and love it.  You have to add more warmth to the formula to cover gray hair because gray lacks underlying pigment, but they give you all the recipes for that, so it's easy.

For a demi permanent, I love Matrix Color Sync.  It blends gray fairly well. 



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Posted By: TanglesRC
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 12:51pm

i use Redken and i also use Paul Mitchell Bleach.

Amm, you really dont need to darken first then lighten, you could very eaisily get what ever color darker you want to use, get some good professional bleach and developer and get some foil and a rat tail comb.

alternate the dark in one foil then the bleach in another foil. this way you are not double processing the dark ones. your a pro at doing your own hair, this should be very easy for you.

when you do the darker color in foil, make sure you get the root as well even if you go off the foil. When you do the bleach, dont go all the way to the root, it will bleed and make a mess.

good luck



Posted By: mochachip
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 1:13pm
okay tangles.  I've wondered this for a long time.  I use dividing papers rather than foils because even the 'pro' stuff I get says not to use metal tools etc.  I've also heard (and it certainly make sense) that the foil speeds the reaction process.  So what kind of chemicals is it safe to use in foils?  cause foil would fold up so much nicer than paper.


Posted By: LauraR
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 1:22pm

This is how my hair is colored (not by myself though) but I do have one suggestions - when you wash it out just make sure to do all the bleash first and get it all washed out before you take out the dark foils!

I did this with red and bleach and wasn't careful enough with rinsing and ended up with pink streaks!  I kind of liked it but I had to tone it out for work.



Posted By: TanglesRC
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 1:51pm

Mocha-

i have never had a bad reaction with using foil for beach or color- i only use professional products. i apply with a brush. purhaps they are reffering to the application of the color ie: do not apply with a metal comb?

yes foil does speed up the lightening process if you use heat.

i aabsolutely love the paul mitchell bleach and i rarely use heat, and yes foil folds up really great.

 

Laura- great advice, i usually rinse out the dark first, this way when the lighter hair is getting rinsed, it doesnt touch the dark ones that are still colored.



Posted By: mochachip
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 1:56pm
Of course I'm hoping not to go back to my crazy coloring and bleaching ways.  But my sister is always a target.

that's cool.  I figured it wasn't that big a deal but really didn't need to chemically burn off more of my hair trying it out.  arghh.  I even knew that I'd bleached those sections one too many times and I shouldn't have done it.  at least it wasn't my whole head.


Posted By: TanglesRC
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 2:38pm

overlapping is the biggest problem with breakage

try not to put bleach on where there is already bleach, just do the roots



Posted By: mochachip
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 2:53pm
oh I knew that.  Oh yes I did.  But it just wasn't light enough yet.  And I didn't care that it felt like straw.  And I knew better.  and yeah.  I was umm being stubborn rather than remotely logical.  something like 'G#&^%$#T! I don't care if all my hair falls off as long as it's actually blonde when it does!'  Lesson to be learned.  My hair just isn't ever going to be blonde.  at least not that blonde.   All the processing in the world and even the broken mess wasn't light yellow. somewhere in the dark yellow light orange regime.  


Posted By: TanglesRC
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 3:28pm

something else you can do is this

afater you foil the roots, wait until its the color you want, then pull the bleach onto the ends for a few mins longer, this way it will all be an even blonde and possibly lighter.

also toning it would help get out the brass and gold, use a toner with a nuteral and a purple tone to it- however dont leave it on too long, it will turn grayish.

what type of bleach and wht deveoper did u use>? my hair is a dark bown naturally like a level 4 and i get it really blonde.

 



Posted By: mochachip
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 3:52pm
yikes this was over a year ago. 

ummm I know I used a 40 vol generic developer and a powder bleach.  Not sophisticated tools at all.  The original bleaching (not the screw the world i want platinum belaching) was done with the ends first and then the roots since the roots develop faster due to the heat of the head.  That was adequate for my original purpose.  Then I colored it I think bubble gum pink with veggie dye.  fine.  Then I used a wide variety of methods to get the pink out.  hot oil, dish soap, clarifying shampoo, etc, over the course of a couple weeks.  Pink was gone.  Then it was on to 'I want big platinum streaks.  So I tried bleaching th ends first.  which was complicated.  So first I did the roots and then moved the bleach down to the ends forlike that last maybe 10 minutes.  So now my roots are lighter than the ends but still not light enough.  So I Did the ends first in the next step then the roots.  still getting nowhere.   correction not nowhere just not enough progress.   I back off for a while and use a toner to make it look livable for the week.  next weekend I start hacking at it again.  My hair felt like ass.  But on I went.  Then I decided maybe I didn't get all of the previous color out (there had been brown die on at some point though I had thought that had grown out.).  So I used colorfix half anf half with shampoo to do a soft color removal(on the far ends only).  You can imagine what my hair felt like at this point.  I head off to work monday morning all kinds of pissed.  BY tuesday night I know better but I'm at it again.  I apply the bleach to my ends and go to move it up to the roots and voila broken hair.  Still not pale yellow.

I mean I knew better.  I just got pissy.  decided that I had hair of steel and sanity be damned here we go.  I deserved what I got.  but like I said at least it was only chunks not my whole head.  some of them broke some of them didn't and none of them got to the color I wanted.

I was thinking if i ever did it again I'd use 7th stage.  But really I'm going to graduate next year and get a job and if I want to be blonde I'll be able to afford someone who knows what's going on.


Posted By: TanglesRC
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 4:25pm

wow! sounds like a lot of chemical processing over and over-

i use 20-30 vol with my bleach never  higher. purhaps a blast of heat would of helped- however yes, let it rest and get it professionally done



Posted By: amm
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 8:22pm
Originally posted by TanglesRC TanglesRC wrote:

Amm, you really dont need to darken
first then lighten, you could very eaisily get what ever color darker
you want to use, get some good professional bleach and developer
and get some foil and a rat tail comb.


alternate the dark in one foil then the bleach in another foil. this
way you are not double processing the dark ones. your a pro at
doing your own hair, this should be very easy for you.


when you do the darker color in foil, make sure you get the root
as well even if you go off the foil. When you do the bleach, dont go
all the way to the root, it will bleed and make a mess.


good luck



Thanks for helping me, Tangles. Seriously, I have absolutely no clue
when it comes to this as I've never strayed too far from my natural
color.

I bought Loreal 30 vol Oreor Creme Developer from Sallys and
HiColor in Honey Blonde & Natural Blonde for Dark Hair to try to lift a
sample of Indian hair. It didn't work. It didn't look anything like the
sample strand they used for display. It turned very brown/reddish
and brassy. I mixed like the box said and wrapped it in foil and put it
under low heat. Do I need to use bleach and developer first or bleach
and peroxide? How do I turn dark hair very blonde and then color it
from there?

For my own hair, I also used the same 30 vol Developer and got the
Loreal Preference permanent in 2 shades of blonde; light beige and
blonde temptress (ooooooo!). Each has a 25 minute automatic
develop time. I mixed per the package, and saturated just a few
strands. Nada. I see no difference. I tried it on a strand of human
hair that I have and I don't see that it worked there either.

Is the developer strong enough? Maybe I should take this as a sign?

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Posted By: mochachip
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 9:33pm
whoa whoa whoa

my insane hair burning aside I'm pretty sure something sounds wrong here.

what are the first three ingredients on each of the different bottles?  how many bottles are in a box of hi color?  typically speaking developer and peroxide are the same thing (developer, lift).  volume is a measure of the percentage of peroxide (not a direct measurement mind you).

that said to go from virgin nearly black hair to a blond color you will probably need to double process.  first bleach (either powder or oil with a developer) then rinse.  if you want ~613 hair you need the hair to be pale yellow at t his stage.  If its not try again.  anyhow once the hair is pale yellow (yeloow for slightly darker blonds) then you use a toner. 

is this helping at all?  I ju st don't buy the hype that single process is gonna work on that dark and healthy of hair.   Even hi lift single process only goes so many levels.  **says the girl who earlier related her chemical hair burning experience**


Posted By: TanglesRC
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 11:14pm

first off the rule of coloring is this-

color does not ever remove color. Only bleach.  No matter what the pacakge says its just not so.

also,  who knows wha is on the hair you tried to lift.

 



Posted By: amm
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 11:28pm
OK, that's the problem then with the black and dark brown Indian weft hair. Color does not remove color so the first step is to take the black down to blonde. This means peroxide and bleach, right? I also have one weft I'm trying to fix. The stylist turned it two different shades of blonde/orange and the black weft thread bled onto the orange hair and it looks like a Halloween joke. She charged my friend $100 for it if you can believe that bulls*&%^! (OK, so that's another story for another time.) The hair is still nice, it's just the color of clown hair and I really hope to fix it.

mocha, the first three ingredients of the hicolor are: water, cetearyl alcohol, propylene glycol. It's only one squeeze tube and they recommend the 30 vol developer which I also have.

The hair just needs to be stripped first from what I understand and THEN apply the hicolor. The box says "for dark hair only" and the hair strand samples in the store display were beautiful blonde. So there's no way this stuff can change black/brown hair to blonde? Oy.



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Posted By: mochachip
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 10:35am
I'll have to check when i get home.  but yeah.  I'd double process it.  heck I'm planning on double processing the Indian hair I'm getting from fina and I only need to go to about a 4 (extension color not dye color).  But you might have good results with it the hicolor as the second step of the double process.

I figure I'll have to do several tries on teeny swtches snipped from that weft until I get a color process that gets me what I want. 

and yes bleach (either powder or oil) mixed with peroxide is step one of the double process action to get the hair from black to whatever.  remember there is no reason whatsoever to go lighter than you need to it only causes unnecessary damage


Posted By: TanglesRC
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 12:40pm

correct amm, use bleach first then you can deposit the color you want it to be.

see if you can get some professional bleach- paul mitchell is great, color graphics from matrix

my two favorits, use about 30 vol and watch it

you may need to apply heat so wrap it in some foil

 




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