Yes ,I tryed coating some pretiped on a friend (thank God) just her low lights because she had some and wanted to use it up. We did shrinks with my now standard epoxy and I coated the others with the GE stuff. They low light's) came out in a week! I wont try that again ,.If someone wants to use the rest of the pre tiped hair I will cut off the end and retip. Let us know how it goes with the stuff you found!

Oh by the way I did try to pre tip with the GE and like you it just came apart.

Save~A~Stray wrote: CyberMane~I saw that you have great success with re-tipping using GL hair with silicone. I have some GL hair I really want to tip with silicone. What silicone brand do you use and where is the best place to get it? Heat Shrink Reusable Individual Strands per bundle- I prefer using Great Lengths 100% virgin human hair for this method, although I can create reusable strands with any hair. I coat it with heat-proof & water-proof silicone. Thanks so much Charlene!!

Hi!

Yikes!  I was thinking about pretipping GL hair but after asking them for permission, GL said that GL stylists can't do that.  We'd get in trouble.  {mmm.... funny cause they said one guy used GL hair to make custom wigs, but cannot tell his clients it is GL hair}.  To keep my account open with GL, I will not use their hair other than for their bonding extensions.  You know, Save-A-Stray, I mentioned that a long, long time ago- you got some awesome memory!- Wow!

However, I do pretip other hair!  This silicone stuff I get it from my nurse buddies from the hospital.  It just says 'medical silicone adhesive'.  I have rarely used it.

You know, I am not a big fan of pretipping.  In fact I hate it!!!  I used to buy EuroLocs hair but their bond disinergrates.  So that's when I started to pretip my own.  I got the idea of silicone after I heard Lisa {metalgirl} raving about it so much that I decided to experiment since I could not go to California for the class at that time.

However, I do plan on taking the Mark Barrington class because man his pretips are beautiful!  I also love his thin walled shrink links.  Man they are faster than those shrinkies!  I also love the fact that you can give him any kind of hair and he'll pretip it!  Talk about CUSTOM ORDER!!!

As far as clients choices, I get more Cyberhair and Great Lengths requests and very few request for Locs, Shrinks or Reusables.  These Locs or Reusable clients came to me from other stylists.  So I fix their current HairLocs and retip their hair. 

I have this mannequin with most of the methods I offer and Cyberhair and Great Lengths are the top choices- hey, whatever makes them happy.  You know, I'll put whatever hair they want- be it Synthetic, Human, Cyber, or PUBIC

Hope this helps; Charlene

Pubic hair, now that's funny!

It reminds me of a skit that I saw on some comedy show on tv a few years back that was poking fun at the Hair Club.  They called it the "Pubic Hair Club for Men" and had a bunch of guys with pubic hair toupees on saying how much they loved their new hair!

You had to see it, it was funny at the time.

LOL!  I tell you Lisa, whatever clients like, you know?

You see these models I did to the left of this post, right?  Well I got this last minute call to do a photo shoot in NYC and the designer wanted some Pirates of the Carribean theme.  So I used my old Dome monofiber, boiled some dreads, gathered some leftover wefted hair I had and voila!!!  The designer showed it to boutiques and this 'recycled hair' is going to be featured in the mags

Talk about 'trash to treasures'. Here is the model I did using all that recycled hair   http://www.starrd.com - www.starrd.com

See Lisa- anything, or anyhair goes

Charlene

Has anyone tried tipping with acrylic?

I mean, as in the stuff you use to create artificial nails?? It dries super hard and super fast, ya know the powder stuffyou mix with the liquid?? I have some im thinking of trying it was it goes REALLY hard, and maybe it wont even need coationg with nail glue?

Comments?

Save~A~Stray wrote: I actually really enjoy making them…I know very few do like this job but I really love it. That’s why I though I would check out silicone tipping for a change.

SAS- do you know of any medical person to probably give you some of this stuff?  My bottle has NO name.  It's looks like a 'sample' bottle you get when you ask for testers at The Body Shop.

ME?  I HATE TIPPING.  I would pay anybody who loves to tip.

Save~A~Stray wrote: I think fusion extensions are the most damaging overall.

Please explain...

Save~A~Stray wrote: I have heard that Cyberhair is great stuff. The attachment is interesting looking too. What are the requirements to get Cyberhair?

Actually, the US daughter company, International Hairgoods, were the ones who solicited this cyberhair to me.  After 2 years of comtemplating, I decided to add it to my collection.  One of the reasons for my decision was because they added an 18" cyberhair strand.  In the past it was only 10".  Plus they offer 'micropointlinks'.  In other words, it is 4 cyberhairs tied to 1 single growing human hair giving the look of fuller hair without a hairpiece.

The requirements is

1- First, the company has to find out if you fall within a non-cyberhair territory.  Which means, depending on where you service, there are to be no cyberhair dealers within a 250,000{?} resident radius. {PM me and I'll give you their #}

2- You also need to meet a quota.  My contract states that I have to sell 200 strands a month- that's easy for me.

Aderans- the inventors and parent company, is expanding their cyberhair extension collection and will introduce 'texture' hair for my ethnic clients.  At this time, these 'texture' accents are being tested by one of my ethnic clients and, you know, she loves them!!!  The test instructed her to maintain her hair as if she has no extensions in them.  She, like myself was impressed with the results after her 3 week trial!  Unfortunately, Aderans could not make huge quantities as of now and therefore my client had to settle on my 'homemade' human hair pretips.

I can't find any company who sells pretip ethnic hair

If you also have clients who are thinning or hair that is so weak for extensions, then SAS this is a great option to add to your collection.  This happens to be the #1 selling extensions in my business.

Also I find this hair company to be very innovative {utmost important to me as a professional}.  They are parents of companies as the one mentioned above and also Bosley Medical.

Hope this helps, Charlene

purrmachine wrote: But I cannot justify paying hundreds of dollars for a batch of manufactured hair, especially since it doesn't even last through multiple applications.  I guess they'll charge for it as long as there are people out there willing to pay for it.

That's what I thought so too!  I was like, "you're going to make me pay more than what I pay for Great Lengths?";  "you're going to make me meet a quota?";  "you won't even let me market in my other locations?";  "you're even considering infringement action on my company name?" {that really threw me off after I paid for the class and airfare tickets, I felt I got screwed and fell on a trap}.

I am a HAIR EXTENSIONS COLLECTOR.  I buy anything new {have to hear great reviews first, though}

To make a long story short, the majority of my clients come to me because they learned about my company online.  They did their research and made up their minds and want to pay me their thousands.

I never force a method on somebody.  They see, they feel, they research EXTENSIVELY prior to paying thousands of dollars...  They become smart enough to appreciate quality inventions.

Purrmachine- not everyone will afford this or even like it.  In fact, some hate cyberhair.  That is why I offer alot of other techniques!

Charlene

PS. And you?  What kind of methods do you do?  I'm looking for some cheap hair too.  I need them for my fashion shows because I believe that using expensive would be wasteful for a look that calls for "I day hair fantasy".  I would like to buy some thermo hair but in fancy colors.  I need a FIRE look of reds, oranges, and bright yellows.  Thanks!

ok i found some silicone, well, 5 tubs of the stuff to be exact!

will report back soon..

ohhhhh

thi stuff rules!

or it seems to anyway!

and lasts for 20 years! :P

this silicone stuffs pretty good, its 'general all purpose silicone'

easy to work with although a bit sticky, doesn;t smell, is clear so can be used on any hair colour, dries in about 1 hour :)

coin is a 5p, sams size as a us penny i think.

The bond is a good one, and is flexible, not all yakky and hard.  i haven't coated with nail glue yet but it seems perfect for going under microrings, i still need to see if it melts though, how do i test this?

sorry for bad application here: this is what happens when you find random objects in toolboxes because you dont have the proper tools to hand.

Hi Charlene,

I imagine your clients may want to pay you thousands versus hundreds because it is the ingrained mentallity of "you pay for what you get", which is true in most aspects of life.  However, sometimes the opposite seems true with hair extensions. I"ve seen so many girls pay thousands for great lengths, other fusion methods and hairlocs, only to have their hair trashed and experience slipping and other issues.  They then try out a method like pinchbraids, heat seals or shrinkies for so much less with little to no damage, and a beautiful result.  Even if I was a millionaire, I would still be doing pinchbraids/heat seals with monofibre hair versus the highly marketed and highly priced "hair extensions systems". 

I'm sure that you, as a salon owner, are presenting your most expensive methods as "the best" (and nothing wrong with that, I run a business too!) and that influences their decision.  But it's great that you offer so many methods, and your clients can choose what works best for them.

purrmachine wrote: However, sometimes the opposite seems true with hair extensions. I"ve seen so many girls pay thousands for great lengths, other fusion methods and hairlocs, only to have their hair trashed and experience slipping and other issues.

I am convince that it is NOT the method, it could be the maintenance or the stylist did not do it correctly, etc...

purrmachine wrote: They then try out a method like pinchbraids, heat seals or shrinkies for so much less with little to no damage, and a beautiful result.  Even if I was a millionaire, I would still be doing pinchbraids/heat seals with monofibre hair versus the highly marketed and highly priced "hair extensions systems".

I love all kinds of extensions.  I am NOT predjudice.  I never force a method on anyone. But if you were my client and I don't know what kind of experiences you had in the past with other stylists, but I would ask you these same questions:

-What's your lifestyle?  How long do you intend to have these on?  What is your budget?, etc...etc...etc...  I give them samples so they can try before they buy.  In my business, I give whatever the client wants.  I love to make my clients happy.  I get much more REFERRALS that way!  

purrmachine wrote: I'm sure that you, as a salon owner, are presenting your most expensive methods as "the best"

Hair extensions are expensive in the first place, hello???  And I am charging for MY TIME.  If anyone feels that they should not pay a PROFESSIONAL to do their hair extensions, or their breast implants, then by all means avoid PROFESSIONAL FEES.  I charge $150-$200 per hour for doing cheap hair or expensive hair. 

I just did a 'trash to treasure' fantasy hair and the got paid $3500 for an 8 hour job.  I used your favorite- monofibre - it wasn't heat sealed or pinch braids- it was BOBBY PINS {hahahaha}.

You know, YOU STILL HAVEN'T TOLD ME MUCH ABOUT YOU & YOUR BUSINESS. {got something to hide?  PM ME!!!}

PS. I don't know what experiences you had in the past.  You sound like a victim who had been RIPPED OFF or something.  My condolences to you.  I hope you will find your dream hair extensionist someday. 

WORD OF ADVICE FOR ANYONE:  When hunting for a hair extensionist, make sure you know completely what type of hair & method you want since it is your hair, your lifestyle. 

I love smart clients who tell me, "this is what I want, this is what I can afford, I have done enough research and want to fully commit to spending my money on this kind of hair and this type of method". 

I hate the people that needs to be convinced.  Those people are a waste of my time.  It takes me 4-15 hours per client, I don't have time to twist their arm.

Clients come to me traveling within a 4 hour driving radius.  They feel comfortable with me.  In fact I got some Virginia lady who wants to fly me first class and do her hair over there, but I'm not Virginia license .  I also believe that if someone likes you as a person, they will travel long distance just to see you even if they are closer to a cosmopolitan city.

clients drive to you because of your care and integrity you put into your work. Plus your work ROCKS!!

ps- i dont think u need a liscense to do hair extensions in virgina- espcicially if your doing it at her home, check with state board over there. i have been flown quite a bit and didnt require a liscense since i wasnt working in a salon and we didnt do any chemicals.