Print Page | Close Window

Beeswax to pre-tip?

Printed From: HairBoutique.com
Category: Hair Extension Topics
Forum Name: Hair Extensions
Forum Description: Hair Extensions can be the quick fix for short hair.
URL: https://talk.hairboutique.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=32084
Printed Date: May 18 2024 at 12:45am


Topic: Beeswax to pre-tip?
Posted By: msfitns72
Subject: Beeswax to pre-tip?
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 7:28pm
Sorry if it has been talked about before. I looked and didnt see it so....but has anyone tried Beeswax to do pre-tips with? That is what Hairlocs SAYS they use on their pre-tips. You can buy it in big solid blocks that you would melt down. I am wondering if it would transfer to the hair under shrinkies. Anyone?



Replies:
Posted By: TanglesRC
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 7:29pm

thats what i heard they use too, it doesnt melt down, i have applied hairlocs with shrinkies and they didnt budge at all , in fact when i took out the shrink the hair and bond was great

 



-------------
Bringing beauty, one head at a time...


Posted By: sherrie215
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 7:30pm
Im thinking it would melt all over the hair with the heat of the wand. And I really cant see it being very durable at all, would probably shed like crazy!


Posted By: sherrie215
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 7:33pm
maybe hairlocs has some beeswax in their pretipping formula, but I cant see it being a 100% beeswax tip. But I could be wrong, it just doesnt seem like it would work to me???


Posted By: msfitns72
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 7:37pm
Tangles- did you use a topcoat over them first? I was thinking that too Sherrie- that's why I put the top coat of Aleen's on first--in case the "supposed " beeswax would melt. But now I see I should have put nail glue over even THAT or no Aleen's at all! If in fact, Hairlocs DOES use just beeswaxand Tangles...you said there were no problems-- we may be on to something here! ...However, I wouldnt expect Hairlocs to expose the WHOLE truth about what they use, ya know?? (like maybe beeswax MIXED with something else, perhaps?)

-------------


Posted By: msfitns72
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 7:39pm
Sherrie--you posted before mine....we were thinking the same thing!

-------------


Posted By: amm
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 7:47pm
Amazing.

You guys are talking about beeswax to pretip while I was DOING IT!

I have bricks of the stuff here in my soapmaking supplies.

I melted the wax on the stove into a liquid and tipped both a strand
of human and PH.

Works like a charm. It is incredibly easy and sets up in under a
minute. All the strands look coated and the tip looks like a machine
did it.

For microring apps, this is a dream come true, imo.

For hot applications like shrinkies -- test it OFF the head first. I don't
have time to test it to any extent right now to say one way or the
other what the removal is like but if you put a topcoat of nail glue
over the top anyway, it will be a non-issue.

Beeswax is available almost everywhere. You can get them in bricks
but they are hard to deal with as they're very difficult to cut. There
are also beeswax chips you can get which will probably be more
ideal.

Go down to the craft store and pick up a little smidge of beeswax and
try it. It is so unbelievably easy. I can kick myself for not thinking of
this with so much of it here in the house.

Yeah beeswax!



-------------
http://shrinkies.net - Extension Supplies & Virgin Brazilian Hair


Posted By: msfitns72
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 8:01pm
 That is so funny,Amm!!! You must be sending me psychic"vibes"!! Yeah...I am kicking myself too!! My mom does mostly microring/hairlocs applications on clients and after Hairlocs said they used beeswax to pre-tip , she bought blocks of the stuff and uses it to RE-tip the clients strands after many months of wear instead of sending it out to Hairlocs and WAITING so long to get it back. It works GREAT with the locs but I was worried about applying heat to it. My mom wanted to use the beeswax to tip some hair to apply my shrinkies and I blew the idea off!OOOPS....guess I should have given it a second thought!

-------------


Posted By: sherrie215
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 9:03pm
OK...heres my fear of the wax....have you ever used Torain fusion? Or any other wax based fusion? It is a nightmare to remove, and the bonds break down very quickly. Maybe tipped with nailglue or used with shrinkies wouldnt be so bad. But getting the wax residue out of hair really scares me!


Posted By: Jenny_RR
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 9:10pm
I wouldn't be surprised if hairlocs used beeswax for their tips--mine were *very* waxy. They also shed like crazy, though; they just weren't durable.

I wonder if there would be any advantage to using beeswax over glue to pretip: The glue would provide the hold, the wax would "protect" the hair from the glue....

:)


Posted By: msfitns72
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 9:38pm
Oh,I would definately use something OVER the beeswax tip first...just not tacky glue like I did last time!...I apparently read through the posts too fast last time and remember seeing some good reviews on it. I sent my brother to the store for Liquid Gold...he called and said it didnt see it...so I told himto grab the Aleen's instead...I now know they are meant to be used for 2 different purposes! Jenny-- are you still in your pinchbraids? I am trying to decide if I want to make an appt. with Heather or give the shrinkies another go.  Am also thinking about trying synth hair for the first time! I am not one to spend lots of time on styling!!With my HH there is no way around it!!

-------------


Posted By: TanglesRC
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 10:30pm

when i applied the hairlocs hair with amms shrinkies i did NOT put anything on the tips at all. They stayed in my client for over 5 weeks then they started to slip out, she has always had a slippage problem and this method has stayed in the best. she loves them. She is due to come in this week for maintance and to reapply the ones that came out. she said she hasnt felt any residue of anything left in her hair after some slipped out. When i do her maintance, i will report further.

 



-------------
Bringing beauty, one head at a time...


Posted By: RoseRose
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 10:32pm
Speaking of tipping.

I just read about a womans dog who swallowed some Gorilla Glue and had to have surgery, apparently it expands in the stomach.

Ouch! The dog came through surgery ok, it took 3.5 hours.


Posted By: msfitns72
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 11:17pm
Tangles--PLEASE PLEASE let me know how it goes overall with her... When you say "maintenance"are you taking them all out then putting them all back in the same day? Let me know how removal goes because if there isnt a mess then my problem is solved! I will order new hairlocs hair and apply them with no top coat! ( still wondering if a layer of nail glue may extend the wear though)  Have you noticed the hairlocs tips in lighter colors are more "bendy"than the dark colors? It's weird...

-------------


Posted By: metalgirl
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 11:26pm

I think the Euroloc hair was also tipped with a wax like substance, and I did try use those strands with the MB shrink links and did not have good luck with it.   I found that the heat melted the wax tips and the hair either shed or slipped out. 



-------------
http://www.Godiva-Hair.com - http://www.Godiva-Hair.com
http://www.MetamorphosisHairDesign.com - http://www.MetamorphosisHairDesign.com


Posted By: amm
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 11:28pm
Originally posted by RoseRose RoseRose wrote:

Speaking of tipping.

I just read about a womans dog who swallowed some Gorilla Glue and had to have surgery, apparently it expands in the stomach.

Ouch! The dog came through surgery ok, it took 3.5 hours.



I've seen photos of the hardened chunks they've pulled out. Really gross.

I'm tellin' ya, it's a dog eat glue world out there.

-------------
http://shrinkies.net - Extension Supplies & Virgin Brazilian Hair


Posted By: TanglesRC
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 11:41pm

yes i will tell you for sure- maintance i mean yes i will take them all out, deep condition, trim and then blow dry then reapply her hair back in. I will take good mental notes to tell all.

i did notice when the shrink and strand came out of her head, when i applied heat to remove the shrink off the strand, the hair was intact and so was the bond!

that i know is a good thing!

msft~ where are u located? i did notice the tips on the blonde hair are somtimes thicker.



-------------
Bringing beauty, one head at a time...


Posted By: msfitns72
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 12:31pm
Tangles--I am in NC. Have you taken shrinkies out before or is this your first gal? Cant wait to hear what happens...it will be the deciding factor between trying them again or going for pinch braids!

-------------


Posted By: TanglesRC
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 11:19am

this will be my first time{{{virgin}}}}}

she comes in on friday- i will report right after that!



-------------
Bringing beauty, one head at a time...


Posted By: mochachip
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 1:46pm
amm, are you doing a coat of LG or nail glue on top of the beeswax?  I just got LG in.  And once I finally fricken finishg this install (tonight I hope) I need to start pretipping for the next one. 
will beeswax melt ina hot pot?  you can get those at craft stores right?


Posted By: amm
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 7:05pm
Definitely nail glue over the beeswax. I made the tips the night of the
21st and let them cure until this afternoon. I put one in and it was a
hot little mess. Before the shrinkie could even get to where it needed
to be, the wax melted and spread.

Not sure a hot pot gets hot enough for beeswax. I don't have one to
test. Let me know if you try it.

Eventually I'll do the nail glue and then coat with LG before the
install. I like LG as the final layer. I think it's the added spit under the
shrinkie that's kept this PH install going strong for 2 months. It's
coming time for a change, though.

-------------
http://shrinkies.net - Extension Supplies & Virgin Brazilian Hair


Posted By: mochachip
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 8:05pm
If the wax melted before you got the shrinkie anywhere near shrunk why are you sticking with the beeswax?


Posted By: amm
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 8:16pm
I cover all tips with nail glue anyway so what's under there is merely
a matter of convienence as far as tipping goes.

When the beeswax is hot, the consistency is very fluid. I dip the hair
strands in and everything is covered and I don't have to push it
through. Dip, set aside, dip, set aside. I do about 10 and then go
back and roll. It's warm, soft and chemical free.   


-------------
http://shrinkies.net - Extension Supplies & Virgin Brazilian Hair


Posted By: mochachip
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 8:19pm
sure.

I'm still confused why you are going to use these tips if the wax is melting when you apply it wand getting all over the hair.

SPeak as though I'm a three year old.  Sometimes I'm really thick.


Posted By: marie87
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 8:36pm

Amm will your remover remove the LG?

Off subject but I was thinking ya know what I want are shells with a ruber coat inside so they wont slip. A drop of oil after opening would let them slide off. Not sure if they would go on easy though.Amm or maybe the are in house teck Mocha? Just think no adhesive and I think the cush the rubber or silicone posibly would be less damaging . I also want a plier coated with teflon so it wont chip the shells. This is my dream extension!!! I know someone can make it hapen



Posted By: amm
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 10:59pm
Originally posted by marie87 marie87 wrote:

Amm will your remover remove the LG?



Yes, it removes both the shrinkie residue and the LG. I bought the LG Remover separately some time ago thinking I needed it but I didn't.

Quote

Off subject but I was thinking ya know what I want are shells with a ruber coat inside so they wont slip. A drop of oil after opening would let them slide off. Not sure if they would go on easy though.Amm or maybe the are in house teck Mocha? Just think no adhesive and I think the cush the rubber or silicone posibly would be less damaging . I also want a plier coated with teflon so it wont chip the shells. This is my dream extension!!! I know someone can make it hapen



So.... get on it. Make it happen!

-------------
http://shrinkies.net - Extension Supplies & Virgin Brazilian Hair


Posted By: TanglesRC
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 11:12pm
on hairpiece, they have a new tool, its a pro release i think, it opens the shells without using the tips- it has a small hole which you place the shell around and close and it pops open the shell, i have a similar one i have been using for sometime now, thats how i prevent damage.

-------------
Bringing beauty, one head at a time...


Posted By: mochachip
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 11:18pm
Would you settle for a rubber slip cover for the jaws on the pliers?

I'm thinking about the rubber ring thing.

who the heck would manufacture then as one unit?  I can imagine a soft ring ont he inside and the the ring/tube but what purpose in the non hair extension world would a single unit device serve?


Posted By: marie87
Date Posted: June 24 2005 at 5:51am
I actualy have been playing with this and looking on line. I have looked in to rubber that they put on a roof and tryed to put rubber cement inside a few shells ( I can't tell if it's in there or not!!) I know nothing about manufacturing. I just know that this sounds like a better shell and many heads are better than one. I will try silicone to. And Mocha I think your on to somthing plier condoms,ya hoo!


Posted By: mochachip
Date Posted: June 24 2005 at 7:46am
I found 'plier condoms' for full size pliers.  Which means it will only take a little work to fing them for tiny pliers.

having to appply a coating tot he inside of each ring sounds umm, painful!


Posted By: marie87
Date Posted: June 24 2005 at 1:14pm
Yes I agree painfull. I would love to be able to buy them!!!No slip shells and ruber or silicone against the hair instead of metal sounds safer to me! Tose plier condoms sound like they would be great for my house projects to. Where did you see them?


Posted By: mochachip
Date Posted: June 24 2005 at 1:17pm
The full size ones are at www.mcmaster.com

I don't remember the page number.  I had to hunt through a lot of pages when the query was pliers.  but I think that soft grip pliers might work.

I'll check smallparts. they aften have curious stuff.


Posted By: mochachip
Date Posted: June 24 2005 at 1:33pm
http://shorinternational.com/PliersNylonBrass.htm

Or how about the tool magic dip  http://www.polymerclayexpress.com/tools4.html

these look similar to the first
http://www.grobetusa.com/ProductDescriptions/flatnosenylon pliers.html

or
http://www.misterart.com/store/view/003/group_id/3585/Bead alon-Nylon-Jaw-Pliers.htm


Posted By: kateadreena
Date Posted: June 24 2005 at 1:52pm
so if i tip with beeswax and coat with nail glue will it shed? :S


Posted By: marie87
Date Posted: June 24 2005 at 2:26pm
Thank's for the info Mocha! Look at the threder on the botom of the polemerclay site and that is just like the one I use!! I just buy a spool of craft wire and make a longer loop. Cost less at Short to long but not every body can order from there so this is a great option! You tryed to find one thing and found two


Posted By: amm
Date Posted: June 24 2005 at 6:35pm
Originally posted by kateadreena kateadreena wrote:

so if i tip with beeswax and coat with nail
glue will it shed? :S


The testers that I made do not shed when you pull them from the
bottom, but they did turn chalky white under the shrinkie when I
heated it up. Frankly, under clear shrinkies, the tips blow goats.
There's way too much nail glue needed to protect them.

I stopped using the wax and went back to the latex/Aleene's combo.

-------------
http://shrinkies.net - Extension Supplies & Virgin Brazilian Hair


Posted By: TanglesRC
Date Posted: June 25 2005 at 12:06am

okay- update on maintance with shrinks and hairlocs hair.

she had about 20 strands that had come out after 3 full months of wear and for her that was fantastic.

( Funny~all the while i am doing this i am thinking how i will repeat back to the board what i did and the outcome~ funny huh??) i couldnt take the time when i was done to go online from the shop cause i was slammed ALL day with maintance.

ok-

the ones i had to move up i did this-

i heated with wand and slid out the hair, it was intact and the bond was still great,there was NO residue from the bond of the hair and since the heat was on it, i didnt have to heat or spin it- it was already done,

the shrink stayed in  so i again used the wand and slid it all the way out.

i did this to three of the strands. then i staurated a cotton ball with the shrinkie remover,and gently swiped it on the left over residue from the shrinkie, then i rolled my fingers on the hair and it flaked off, some of them needed a gentle combing to get it out, otherwise it came out perfectly. i then reinstalled the shrink and hair on same hair, moving it above the oil. Then i moved on to the next three.

i moved up over 125 of them in 1 1/2 hrs. she totally LOVES them and we feel this is a great success. The maintance for me took a bit more time then a typical hairloc maintance, but once i get the groove going with this it will go quicker.

usually to do a full head of maintance with hairlocs(200 plus) strands, it takes me 1 1/2 hrs

hope this helps~

 

 



-------------
Bringing beauty, one head at a time...


Posted By: kateadreena
Date Posted: June 25 2005 at 8:47am

Originally posted by amm amm wrote:

Originally posted by kateadreena kateadreena wrote:

so if i tip with beeswax and coat with nail
glue will it shed? :S


The testers that I made do not shed when you pull them from the
bottom, but they did turn chalky white under the shrinkie when I
heated it up. Frankly, under clear shrinkies, the tips blow goats.
There's way too much nail glue needed to protect them.

I stopped using the wax and went back to the latex/Aleene's combo.

ahh

but theoretically it should work under a microring as no heat is needed?

i thought latex was really bad for shedding? and whats aleenes?



Posted By: msfitns72
Date Posted: June 25 2005 at 12:34pm
Thanks for the review, Tangles--I have been sitting right here at my computer waiting for you to post! LOL.. Congratulations on the success with your customer! I have a few questions though--when you say you do THREE strands, you mean at the same time? Are you using the remover on the three, working it out of that bunch of hair, then re-creating 3 strands with the same bunch of hair to thread the shrinks onto? Or are you keeping the strands seperate somehow? Sorry for asking you to clarify--I am like...DUH?? And are you using the "original" threader we got with class? Or have you found another that is better with the shrinks? I find it hard to get enough hair to equal the amount of the pre-tip--especially for MY baby fine hair! If I could apply those shrinks to thicker strands maybe my hair would tolerate the weight better. And OMG! The reason I QUIT doing hairlocs is because of that "DEATH TO HAIR" TOOL of a remover we used! I believe that is where the most damage occurs...This new tool you use--It totally does away with having to pry and twist open the shells? Wow...that sounds super!!

-------------


Posted By: TanglesRC
Date Posted: June 25 2005 at 10:32pm

ok ms-

i do one at a time- but i work on three-  so i take one out, move to the next one, and the next one, then i go back to the first one and apply the remover on each of them, then i go to the first one again and reinstall the hair, sometimes i could tell which section had the hair but it doesnt matter, i can just devide the small section into three and apply and then move onto the next three.

i use the origional threader. i can get quite a bit of hair and pull it thru- it takes some manuvering but u can do it.just grab what u want and it will pull right to the shrinkie.

yeah my new tool is really cool

where do u live?



-------------
Bringing beauty, one head at a time...


Posted By: TanglesRC
Date Posted: June 26 2005 at 12:48am

mocha- how about a tool that u dont need tips??? i have one comming~

i found a place to get this tool~ more details comming. (i"m having some made!

way less then hairpiece too!



-------------
Bringing beauty, one head at a time...


Posted By: mochachip
Date Posted: June 26 2005 at 7:29am
you have me fully confused now TAngles.  And yet intrigued...


Posted By: CyberMane
Date Posted: June 26 2005 at 11:46am

Originally posted by TanglesRC TanglesRC wrote:

i then reinstalled the shrink and hair on same hair, moving it above the oil. Then i moved on to the next three.

Sand- this is great news!  So you reinstall the shrinks and pretip-glue hair immediately? 

This is what I've been looking for!!!  When I do metal reinstall, I remove everything and wash client's hair 3x to get rid of residue so client's hair extensions won't slip.  I never lose 1 single strand when I do my 3x washing!

But you say you don't wash client's hair, right?  I would love to try that!!!  Just imagine, I don't need to worry about which length strand goes here or there cause hair extensions has already been cut!

I'm very curious to know how long your client will have her "no wash" Move-Up-Shrink-with-Glue-Pretip in for!

And I only thought shrinks was only for silicone tips.  BRAVO SAND!!!

Keep me posted!!! Char



-------------
http://www.cybermane.com - CyberMane.com


Posted By: TanglesRC
Date Posted: June 26 2005 at 12:54pm

ok mocha-

i am having a tool made that is similar to the one i use but even better- it will be eronogmically correct 9will fit into our hands with a curve)

instead of using the metal tips to insert into cylinder and pry it open, it will have a space to just close around the tube and then it will round it open, no damage what so ever!

Char- yes i reinstalled immediatley- when i put the shrink back on, it was above the oil. Client shampoos own hair and during regular shampooing, the oil washes right off!

when i do cylinders, i do the same thing, except i dont use ooil or anything, i just open up slide up and reclose. If i neec to i comb out shedded hair, otherwise the shedded hair gets brushed out when i am all done. sometimes i do chemical after like color or weave so when done washing the rest of shedded hair comes out.

:)

 



-------------
Bringing beauty, one head at a time...


Posted By: elvira
Date Posted: June 27 2005 at 8:01am

And will that tool also be made for lefthanded extensionists?

Sounds like a great idea!



Posted By: TanglesRC
Date Posted: June 27 2005 at 12:04pm
sure why not!

-------------
Bringing beauty, one head at a time...



Print Page | Close Window