blonde hair help
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Topic: blonde hair help
Posted By: skeet
Subject: blonde hair help
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 4:15pm
| hey everybody, i'm new at this since i really never done at home type stuff. i got short hair keep that in mind. i'm in need of some help as far as bleaching/dying my hair. i used to go to a salon to get my hair done but costs to much now and was figuring i could do it on my own. so i want to try this... basically i got a really dark brown(almost black) and what i want to do is get it to either a dirty blonde or a medium blonde around. what i was figuring that i would do is buy bleach and bleach my hair out, then buy the dye to match what i want. this method of mine seems alittle too easy and cheap to be true. so can you help out with this? |
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Posted By: LostForever
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 6:47pm
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It can be done, but you really need to do your research when lightening
your hair. It can be very damaging (going up the hair color scale as a rule of thumb is more damaging the more levels you go up) but rewarding if you do it right. If you live near a Sally's, try to find the "Manic Panic flash lightening kit vol. 30" ammonia used in the thread "Manic Panic Bleach *PICTURE*" You should buy or be prepared to buy another kit or so because lightening doesn't always go to your desired shade in one application. Then, use a protein filler to make your hair less porous. Expect it to be porous from the bleach. THen, when you dye to your desired color, the color will hold. Find a shade a shade or two lighter than what you want because results on bleached hair will be dark. FInally, make sure to check the dye box and make sure that it says you are able to use it on bleached hair (waiting a few weeks may be needed). I know Féria is one example that you should not used on bleached hair. Get some second opinions. Then do what you want! |
Posted By: LostForever
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 6:49pm
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I thought i should add:
When going from brown/black to blonde, you will most likely encounter a few steps of different shades. These should include orange and pale yellow. Just so you're prepared. |
Posted By: Claude
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 7:07pm
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OK Skeet first of all if you are interested in coloring your hair at a cheap price....goto a Cosmetology school and have it done there under the supervision of a licensed professionals. It is a fraction of the cost of a real salon possibly 25%. Typically the stylist is right there formulating the colors while supervising the student. Call a school and schedule a client consultation and tell them what you want. If you bleach your hair....please make sure you don't bleach the hair past the PALE YELLOW color as it is the lightest hair should be lifted to. If you do bleach out past that stage you will overprocess your hair and cause severe damage and possibly even breakage at or near the scalp. I see it all the time with OTC products and stuff from Sally's. Professional products used by schools or licensed professionals are more gentle on the hair and that coupled with the experience of the stylists with the color is really what you are paying for. Bleaching your hair then going in with something like 30 volume developer could cause breakage of the hair at or near the scalp. I wouldn't recommend anything stronger than 20 volume developer after bleaching your hair and you shouldn't need 30 volume developer as that is typically used to give you an extra level of lift vs 20 volume developer. With bleach you have already lifted the hair so there is no need to use something like 30 volume developer. After the bleach you are just depositing color so 20 volume is sufficient. And one last thing about bleach....DON'T USE POWDER BLEACH on your scalp as it's typically too strong and will cause burns and irratation to the scalp which would also prevent you from being able to add color after since your scalp would be in a damaged condition. Powder bleach is the most effective to bleach the color and the strongest lifting of bleach which also comes in cream and oil forms also. Bleach is a damaging process and one that needs to monitored and done closely....so that's why I recommend a cosmetology school or a professional salon so you don't damage your hair. Also remember bleach swells and expands as it's applied. G'luck in whatever ya do but at least consider a school.
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LostForever wrote:Posted By: skeet
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 9:01pm
| i have burned my scalp before from bleach from the salon doing it for me. The result from that was flakes and it burned a tiny bit. I have some how grown immune to bleach on my head because i do not fell anything when its on me. even the colorist was suprised when i didnt even feel a tingle. Anyways, Sadly i do not have a sally's near me just a convient store with tons of different brand name dyes. since i have short hair and the bleach usually comes in alot, i would use half to bleach it once and if it comes out orange, i would apply the rest. i have found a color close to what i want. i got this at Herbal Essence. http://www.clairol.com/images/brand/herbalessences/swatches/swatch_med_dkblonde.jpg - http://www.clairol.com/images/brand/herbalessences/swatches/ swatch_med_dkblonde.jpg maybe a tad bit lighter though. I'm not sure but that looks like it has built in highlights? |
Posted By: KellyH
Date Posted: October 19 2005 at 9:16am
| I tried that color and it came out more ash than golden. I started with light ash though. |
Posted By: skeet
Date Posted: October 19 2005 at 3:31pm
| will my method work though if i do this though? I'm really eager to try that color or something close to it! |
Posted By: KellyH
Date Posted: October 19 2005 at 4:05pm
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Your starting hair color is too far away from this range to get even close to that color. That range of color in Herbal Essences doesn't have enough 'lift'. You'd have to try one of the XL's and you still might not get what you're looking for. I know 'on head' test strands would be so difficult on your short hair. It may be worth clipping a section of hair and trying Herbal Essence XL-0 or XL-4 or one of the Hydrience XL's. |
Posted By: skeet
Date Posted: October 19 2005 at 5:10pm
| yea but if i bleach it first and apply that color it should be able to do it. I'm not looking for that color to life my natural color to bring that out without bleaching it |
Posted By: beachgerl
Date Posted: October 19 2005 at 6:04pm
| From my experience, if you don't want to bleach your hair, then you can experiment using one of the high lift colors. I suggest you to stick with products at Sally's. You could try Miss Clairol HL-B, Complements Hi Lift Ash Blonde, or Wella Color Charm Frosty Ash, those are high lift colors that can lift up to 5 levels using double 40 volume developer. It's blue-based so it would tone down any brassiness that typically comes with dark hair, but I don't know if it will work since I've not tried either one yet but I will soon for my root touch ups. The only time that color worked on my roots only were Wella Toner in Countess Blonde (discontinued) that lifted these to a medium blonde (between level 7 and 8) color without brassiness (no orange or gold) with just a 20 volume developer but will it work on the rest of hair, it might come a canary yellow or even goldish on your virgin hair. I suggest you strand test. Bleach is a sure way to go light blonde, but since you only want medium blonde all over, then I suggest you to test the high lift colors with blue or violet bases. Drugstore products are usually good for those with lighter hair naturally. |
Posted By: skeet
Date Posted: October 19 2005 at 6:12pm
| yea i have no problem bleaching it out or anything. alright i'll see what i can do. |
Posted By: Veronica F
Date Posted: October 20 2005 at 2:19am
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Beachgerl if u use the highlift from sally's on ur roots, could u tell me how it goes? Thanks! |