wut would be a good product to use to keep from blondes getting brassy... right now i use redken both shampoo ,conditioner and treatment for ultra pale blondes but want sumthin else to keep it from going brassy and help brighten up my blpndes also ..especially since i used to be copper so sumtimes the brassiness will come through a little. ...any personal experience on any products? i heard of a product that i remember was blue and it was used to make the blondes brighter and keep it from going ashy brassy etc.

thanks!!!

ok i just found a product called phytologie...anyone try it? heres the description

Whether it is blond turning white or brown turning grey, a change in color pogmentation can lead to yellowish solution is a specifically formulated shampoo designed to take out the brassy tones, leaving hair with a silver sheen.

The only real way to prevent the hair from getting orangy tones is to bleach it to yellow or pale yellow.

If you only bleach to pale orange for example, the orange pigments will always show up eventually as the toner fades.

The problem is that It can be very risky bleaching the hair more, so I'd suggest that you keep on using purple shampoo and purple conditioner.. If you want to save some money I suppose you always can try a less expensive brand, like Clairo Shimmering Lights

good luck :)

the thing i do when i notice that it starts to get bassy, is use a toner.. i just born blonde toner in "silent snow" which is lightest white blonde.. i recommend it because it really does the job and it doesnt even damage my hair.. (and ive bleached like 3-4 times this year) ;P

FunnyGirl wrote: A hair color technitian (and chemistry major) has told me that to tone down brassiness on your hair you can use a dime size amount of a platinum hair color (usually a 12.1 or 12.11), but only the dye that comes in the tube and not the oxidizer.

Would you happen to be able to recommend a particular brand? This is interesting, and I have no clue where to begin looking. I know nothing about store bought hair color. Thanks very much!

Thanks FunnyGirl. One more thing: My brass starts showing up LATER, not when it's first highlighted, but a couple/few weeks later. Those shampoos are NOT working on me -- do you think it's ok to still go ahead with your chemistry friend's color theory? It sounds like a good idea ... Shampoos/conditioners USED to work -- don't know why they're not anymore!

Anitan -- I'm thinking you shouldn't have to tone your hair yourself. Of course, neither should I but that's another story. Back when I had a stylist that knew what she were doing, she would put a GREAT toner on my hair and it would last almost until I was due for my touchup (not sure what it was). Maybe just a purple shampoo/conditioner will work for you in between? I'm just thinking since you are in the process of getting your hair blonded, and it's no doubt costing you a pretty penny, that they should be able to tone it for you perfectly. I mean, it already looks beautiful.

By the way, some of those purple shampoo/conditioners are the Aveda Blue Malva, I think the other is Clairol Shimmerlights (something like that -- get from Sally), and I had used a brand by the name of Davines. It's expensive and it smells ABSOLUTELY DELICIOUS and worked good at the time. I stopped buying the shampoos myself; now just buy the conditioners. I ordered the Davines online. I have some of that Clairol here at home. I think I'm going to try it again just for the heck of it and see if it helps. I'm miserably brassy!  I HATE it!

Alayney wrote: Thanks FunnyGirl. One more thing: My brass starts showing up LATER, not when it's first highlighted, but a couple/few weeks later. Those shampoos are NOT working on me -- do you think it's ok to still go ahead with your chemistry friend's color theory? It sounds like a good idea ... Shampoos/conditioners USED to work -- don't know why they're not anymore! Anitan -- I'm thinking you shouldn't have to tone your hair yourself. Of course, neither should I but that's another story. Back when I had a stylist that knew what she were doing, she would put a GREAT toner on my hair and it would last almost until I was due for my touchup (not sure what it was). Maybe just a purple shampoo/conditioner will work for you in between? I'm just thinking since you are in the process of getting your hair blonded, and it's no doubt costing you a pretty penny, that they should be able to tone it for you perfectly. I mean, it already looks beautiful. By the way, some of those purple shampoo/conditioners are the Aveda Blue Malva, I think the other is Clairol Shimmerlights (something like that -- get from Sally), and I had used a brand by the name of Davines. It's expensive and it smells ABSOLUTELY DELICIOUS and worked good at the time. I stopped buying the shampoos myself; now just buy the conditioners. I ordered the Davines online. I have some of that Clairol here at home. I think I'm going to try it again just for the heck of it and see if it helps. I'm miserably brassy!  I HATE it!

thank you.  and my stylist dos tone my hair for me ..and yes u r irght about costing me some $ to go to blonde. so far the redken im using has bene working and im liking it.