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Topic: Dye keeps washing out.
Posted By: mute
Subject: Dye keeps washing out.
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 5:18am

I dye my hair at home and have been for about two years now but the last few times I've dyed it the colour has washed out a little more every time I wash my hair.

I've switched dyes and shampoos and it still washes out. Am I doing something wrong? Or... I don't know.

Does anybody know why this is happening or how I can fix it?

Help would be appreciated.




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Posted By: Claude
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 8:37am

Are you using semi, demi or permanent hair color?

What brand of hair color are you using? Some commercial lines as well as stuff at Sally's like Wella are very high in ammonia content and very damaging to the cuticle layer of the hair strand. Don't use them.

Have you had any other chemical services recently? Perm? relaxer?

How often have you colored your hair in the past? What type of haircoloring was it? Semi, Demi or Permanent?

What shampoo are you using? Pantene, Thermasilk and other shampoos containing Ammonium Lauryl & Laureth Sulfate are too harsh for chemically treated hair. Use a shampoo with Sodium Lauryl & Laureth Sulfate. Use a moisturizing shampoo like Biolage. Professional products are best for your hair. Make sure it's for color treated hair.

Is the shampoo for Color Treated Hair? It should be that's why it's for color treated hair.

How do you dry and style your hair on a daily basis? Blow Dry? Flat Iron? Explain in as much detail as ya can. Also what styling products do you use? Try to stay away from products with alcohol in them as they will only dry the cuticle layer more if it's already damaged.

If your using permanent haircolor and have been for a while your hair could be overprocessed and the cuticle layer which is like scales on a fish could be slightly raised or damaged and that is what holds the color into the cortex of the hair strand. Haircolor shouldn't just be washing right out of your hair especially if it's permanent hair color.

The difference between semi, demi & permanent haircolor is that Semi & Demi are deposit only the color is deposited on the outside of the hair strand.

Permanent haircolor has ammonia in it which causes the cuticle layer to raise slightly and the color to penetrate the cortex (the middle layer of the hair strand, which is where the natural hair color pigment is that gives your hair it's natural color. The permanent color will add to the natural pigment and alter the haircolor)

Be as decriptive as you can about your hair over the past several year, what you've done to it, how you style it, what color you've used, etc and I can try and help you some more.

Sounds to me like your cuticle layer could be slighty damaged. Is your hair snarly or knot easily? That is an indication that the cuticles of the hair strand are raised slighty and that is what causes tangles.

You could always try some L'ANZA Magic Bullet spray to protect your hair from heat when blow drying it. It helps to close down the cuticle, restore shine and preserve hair color. It comes in a 4.2oz spray bottle and it's about $13. It's well worth it tho it's great for damaged hair.

G'luck

 



Posted By: hannebash
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 10:27am
If you are using permanent color over and over, chances are your hair is too damaged to retain the color. Plus, the permanent aspect of permanent color is that it lightens your natural pigment before depositing, NOT that it really lasts longer. You need to use a demi, especially if you are using a darker color. You need to fill your hair before coloring it with the demi. I did this and 6 months later, the color (demi) is still going strong. You should research this board--I did and managed to get the color I want and it doesn't wash out, at all. For me that is a miracle. In the past, I always had haircolor fade out to an orangey color. Look for hints about protein fillers, deposit-only color (ammonia free) and tips to help with damaged hair. After visiting these boards, I realize I would NEVER color my hair again without knowing exactly what I am doing. It is a bit more complicated than you would think. I don't really have time to go step-by-step with you, but perhaps someone else can. Also, there are MANY posts here that talk about your exact problem.


Posted By: mute
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 5:53pm

Well it sounds like my hair is definitely damaged.

I use permanent dye (black) and have used a bunch of different brands in the past year or so. I think I've been using L'Oreal most recently.

I haven't had any other chemicals in my hair although I blow dry/straighten it. I probably blow dry my hair 2 times a week and straighten my fringe 3 or so times using a ceramic iron, I only straighten all my hair once a month or less. Blow drying usually gets it pretty straight.

I've been colouring my hair using permanent dye probably once every two or three months for about a year and a half.

I've used a whole bunch of different shampoos, all designed for colour treated hair. I'm using John Frieda at the moment. I also use John Freida frizz-ease or whatever it's called on my hair before blow drying sometimes, other than that I don't put any products in my hair.

My hair is fairly fine and always has been. I haven't noticed any real difference in the way it behaves lately. Quite a lot of it falls out when I brush it or whatever but I don't remember a time when that didn't happen.

I live in Australia so we might not have all the products you could reccomend me, give it a go though. What kind of things should I be looking out for to help restore my hair? Also what dye do you recommend, I love the way I look with black hair and don't really want to have to stop dying it altogether. Although I could give it a break for awhile.

I have a bit to work with from what you've already told me but any further help would be really appreciated.

edit: It only washes out when I shampoo it if this means anything. Not in a regular shower or when conditioning.

edit2: Also, I last dyed it a week or two ago and lately my head has been kind of itchy, if that's a sign of anything. And if you think some products that aren't available here are the absolute best then would you be able to point to somewhere on the internet I can buy them. I'm thinking I'll probably need some kind of deep treatment and then some products/advice on maintaining my hair, seeing as I don't really do anything for it now. Also, if there are any cheaper alternatives to more expensive products that do the job just as well I'd be interested in those although I don't mind spending whatever's necessary to get my hair back into shape, I realise there's no miracle over-night cure. Thanks again. 



Posted By: Rebekah
Date Posted: December 22 2005 at 7:28pm
According to Paula Begoun, here are a list of drying ingredients:

Sodium C14-16, Olefin sulfonate, Menthol, Arnica, Sulfur, Witch Hazel, Oils of (Rosmary, Thyme, Lavandin), Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Sodium Polystyrene sulfonate, Benzoin, Galbanum oils, TEA Lauryl Sulfate.

These ingredients can be found in shampoo and conditioners.

Check to see that you also aren't using products with mint or peppermint as those can be drying and irritating to the scalp.

When dyeing your hair don't pull the color through, ever.  Just touch up the roots. 

If you feel that you need to refresh the midsection and ends use a demi (I like L'Oreal Color Gems--http://www.beautydeals.net/shop/list.html?categ=81

Try the blue black or a combination of the blue black with dark brown.  If you hair is very porous, the dark brown may just work.  Also look into getting some toning mousse to touch up your hair in between root touch ups.

http://www.evabeauty.com/products/schwarzkopf/--try the light brown--scroll down to where is reads (Toning Mousse) 

Get Paula Begoun's book "Don't Go Shopping For Hair Care Products Without Me) and learn about the type of hair you have and what are the best products out there for your particular hair type. 

Good luck and hope this helps. 




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