I just did my first extendmagic removal yesterday and it was soooooooooo difficult!  The glue did not want to budge.  I used Amm's remover...

Any tips from anyone on what to use on this adhesive?  The company says just use a little olive oil but no way was that going to work.... 

There's really no lessons needed for a good removal, just lots of patience and practice!

I did a removal on the EM on Friday, and it wasn't easy.  We almost got through a whole movie (I have a DVD player in my salon)  with the time it took to get all the gunk out.

I used the orange remover and also some alcohol- that stuff that's 90% or whatever.  I didn't have enought acetone on hand...

aphrodite-

im sorry i jjust dont get it, you are a liscensed stylist doing extensions on paying clients and you dont know how to remove the ones you are installing? shouldnt you have first practiced and learned on a doll head before you did on a client? i am sorry but i am so not trying to be hurtful, however i do so much repair work on clients from other folks who dont really know what it is they are supposes to be doing, it is really sad to see what work is going on out there. before i ever installed one single strand on Anyone, i practiced for weeks until i KNEW for sure what i was doing. poor removal can be detrimental to the integrity of the hair. i am very glad u are on here learning however, there are lots of classses you could be taking to learn all the methods hands on, espciailly since you are a stylist poromoting extensions. Again, donte take this wrong, i am not trying to offend you, i am just trying to gain understanding for your decision, besides the fact i am concerned for your clients and your reputation.

Tangles - If we could all be as perfect as you...first of all, I would appreciate it if you would stop attempting to slander me and my abilities.  You know nothing about either.  

Your ignorance is sad.  You know nothing about what I have or have not done.  You know nothing about my education yet you presume to.

I certainly know how to remove what I install.  I am simply exploring different methods and asking what has worked best for others, as there are many ways to both install, and remove, extensions successfully.

SHAME ON YOU!  

Ok enough girls!

Laura, I have went out of my way to help you, and I didn't mind doing it, but if you seriously want to get into the business,  than you must  pay your dues in terms of paying money  and taking the time to take classes  and practice a lot to learn the craft, as many of us  have done.

  I think that's what annoys Tangles, and me as well, that we have spent big money and time on learning extensions, and some people try to exploit our knowlege without giving anything in return.

Tangles is a good friend on mine, a very helpful, kind, and spiritual person, and I will not stand by and watch someone jump down her throat for simply pointing out what turns out to be the facts.

You're right, Tangles doesn't know anything about your ability and what you have or have not done, but I do.  Shall I let the cat out of the bag and tell everyone you're not licensed to do hair?  You do excellent permanent make up, and have a nice tanning salon, but it is apparent that you aren't a hairstylist. 

I'm not saying that an unlicensed person can't build a successful hair extension business, as the law permits, but invest the  time and money that it takes, and then give something back to our hair community to whom you have so far only bombarded with assinine questions.

Sorry, I really didn't want to say anything, but your attitude is rude, pushy, and demanding, and that's not how you get ahead in this world, it turns people off to helping you.

Wow.  Lisa.  I am surprised and hurt.

I never once claimed to be a cosmetologist, my state does not require this to do hair extensions.  The EM is new to most people, and as far as I know, many of you have never used it.  I simply wanted to see if anyone has discovered something new to expedite removals. 

I wanted to be the best extensionist I could and therefore have spent countless hours on this forum reading what the experts here have to share.  I did not realize my questions were assinine.  For those who feel this is the case, I apologize for wasting your time.  I will not post again. 

I have a very successful extensionist business even though I am relatively new to the field.  I attribute this to natural talent, great advice from this board, and relationship/people skills that transcend professions.  I wish you all great success. 

Please note that fighting in this community has rules.

Aphrodite I understand your reaction to someone questioning your ability, but if you read tangles post again you will see she ment only the best in pointing out that you shouldn't be installing extensions if you are not experienced in how to remove them. I agree with what she said completely, I have had to learn to deal with honesty from people and it has really had  a big affect on my life. Try to read your questions again and you will see where she was coming from!

I can GAURANTEE you that I know as much about extensions as many of the licensed professionals  in my area....Ive called MANY and talked to them about doing MINE and I wouldnt even consider trusting my hair to ANY ONE of them in my area.

Ive been doing several methods for many years mostly on myself...and a few begging girlfriends . I DID NOT have any formal training, only videos....practice and THIS and a few other boards...but Im confident that I could do as good or BETTER than anyone in MY area that Ive ever spoke with.

There are many professions that people have worked their way to the top, and earned their title by hands on hard work...not through formal training or formal education. And they are NO LESS qaulified than someone who went to college or school to learn. And in many cases they are MUCH more qualified.

FOR GOD sakes....hair is NOT ROCKET SCIENCE....nor MEDICINE. I believe a DIYer or non licensed person with the talent, the desire, and the willingness to learn can become successful, qualified and capable of doing hair extensions. And for those that are in a state that doesnt require a cosmotology license, then they have the right to set up business....

Having said all that....I highly respect the professionals that have mastered extensions, the ones who have worked hard to learn all the different methods and who constantly are tweaking their knowledge....but trust me you are far and few between, and not all licensed professionals are equal...some have NO business being in business!

thanks lisa and fab- for your imput-

Sher- i agree with you- espicially you can start your own business.

my point in all of this is why would someone who has not PRACTICED a removal method beforhand, install and then attempt to remove after the fact it is done on a client. your part about some not having any business doing extensions, i totally agree! i cant tell you the repair work i do daily from other stylist just starting out an making a mess on someones poor head! If your just starting out, good for you, start out and learn on a doll head! Then, go foward with clients or friends.

aphrodite- if you would of read what i was saying and not get so definsive, then maybe just maybe you would hear what we are trying to say, most times when someone gets hurt or defensive, there is usually some truth in whats bothering them.

i have never professed to be perfect, just professional at what i do.

what ever state you live in, you need a liscense to cut hair, wether it be extension hair or not, and certainly all extension hair needs to be cut to blend together.

i refuse to go tit for tat with you, i have a very successful business for over 15 yrs, have a great rep on this board, so saying rude things to me simply just doesnt work. As i stated in my first post, i was not trying to offend you. Far as trying to slander your abilities, that didnt even come to mind, i was just going off of what YOU said!

good luck to you.

Tangles - You really should educate yourself before you attempt to comment or defame others.  Not all states require cosmetologist licenses to install extensions, or cut extension hair.   

You have continuously incorrectly represented what my website states, and what I have stated here on the board.  You cannot spell or use proper grammar.  Perhaps instead of attempting to slander professionals who, for whatever reason, did not have to pay the "thousands" you did to educate yourself on doing hair extensions, you should invest some of that money into basic spelling and grammar lessons.

Your insecurity is unfortunate.  I thought this board was for sharing.  If you have such a problem with that....why bare you here?  

Oh dear

Lets all make friends again xx

amm wrote: This is Blimpu. Oolong is sleeping.

LOL this is so funny

Aphrodite, 

   Have you had an opportunity to try out any of the removal suggestions you received?  Did some work better than others?

Sandy,

I am actually doing a EM removal this afternoon.  As I stated when I began this post, I have been using Amm's oil for these removals and it works.  I just was wondering if there was something out there that worked any better.  I have hesitated in using acetone but it seems by the feedback here, that it is ok to use as long as it is used sparingly.

Also, I said earlier that I would not be posting anymore.  I have received numerous very supportive personal messages from you all and have reconsidered.  I am one of very few people to have an Extendmagic machine and I see value in that method.  I will continue to share my finding/observations with you all.  Thanks again to all of you who wrote me.  I will post tonight about my removal I am doing this afternoon!

I never said that anyone had to be licensed to to great extensions! 

They just need practice on more than a few heads before they call themselves 'professional' and charge big money for services. 

I have had my own hair ruined by someone who was clueless to what they were doing, and it's not fun.

The law is Washington states that one can apply hair extensions as long as no chemicals are used and no cutting is involved.  Laura, you know that you have wondered how to 'get around' the no cutting aspect of that law, we talked about it more than once.

That was very unkind and shows your true mean spirit by trying to point out the spelling errors in Tangles' post.  Typos happen, and even if she can't spell, she's still one great person! 

I never wanted to be mean to you, I don't like being mean to anyone. Eventhough I saw that I could probably never work with someone with such a controlling nature about them, I enjoyed spending time with you well enough and wish you well with your business endevors.

 But I am not going to stand by and watch someone be totally rude to someone else.  Tangles was pointing out the truth that is apparent, she was not rude to you, while you were terribly rude to her.

I did feel that I was used for information.

You wouldn't know about the Extend Magic or even this forum if I didn't share that information with you.

And by the way, you never paid me for the MB color ring that I bought for you.

So where's Oolong when you need him?

Lisa - I post about this again only because you are misinformed.  

I am legally allowed to cut extension hair in my state.  I cannot cut natural hair.  We have discussed "getting around' this only in the sense that because I cannot do a complete blending all the time, I will need to coordinate with someone to do this for me.  This is how I "get around' that issue.  I would never attempt to cut hair when I have not been trained.  Please refrain from saying I am trying to do things I should not.

As for pointing out Tangles lack of spelling/grammar abilities.  If we are talking about being "professional', isn't written and verbal communication at the core of this?  It says a lot about someone to me if they do not bother to proof what they put out to the world.  It all goes back to professionalism.  I'm sure Tangles is "one great person"...as you say...

I did your permanent make-up in exchange for you sharing knowledge.  We had a trade agreement and now you feel used? 

Clearly, I would not have known about the EM, or this forum if it weren't for you.  What do you want?  A gold star?

As for the color ring...I think it was $20?  Is this right?  Please confirm and I will mail you a check...

Oh my, is there a full moon out?????

I vote to end this craziness and back-and-forth... 

Lisa, Tangles, if there is something you feel you need to communicate with me personally about, please do so by personal message so as not to waste the board members' time.  I will do the same.  

Although I do feel strongly about professionalism in communication, including spelling and grammar, Tangles, I owe you an apology.  I am sorry for those comments, they were unneccessary.  I intended to simply correct your misperception about legal requirements here in my state.  I do not want others to mistakenly believe things you said about those requirements that simply are not correct.

I am moving on...I will report back about my removal today! 

gsmilie wrote: Oh my, is there a full moon out?????

Nope...that has passed! The Full Moon was last Friday(13)

Oh, maybe it is just the lingering effects of the full moon.

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG????

Agree to dis-agree, and lets talk about some hair stuff!!!

Hi all....I completed my EM removal and reinstall. 

When I remove any shrinkie extensions that I have done ( I have not done fusion), I use the wand to re-heat the bond which also works very well with the EM. I used Amm's remover today again and worked it in to the residual glue.  I did not need to use acetone.  I am glad because I prefer to not use any harsh chemicals.  I then carefully combed it out....you all know the routine...nothing much new.  For some reason, this was an easier removal than the last one. 

My client absolutely loves the 'micro" extensions I custom make with the EM, and loves how invisible they are on her head.  This is one of my clients that has thinning in the crown area and simply wants more fullness, not length.  Bottom line is that even with the EM limitations, (i.e. time-consuming to custom make strands etc...) this method is awesome for clients like this.  I charge extra for this method because of this time factor but people want this method.

Oh dear.....

Aphrodite honey, they are not trying to be mean or slander your reputation....:) theye maby misread the post...But then you also maby missenturpetated what they said .

And you wrote your angry comments back. I understand that you can feel a bit hurt or upsett if you dont try to se it from others view...:) Tangles is rigth that it is Important to know exactly what you doing.

And i understand your curiosity about different removal methods...But maby you should have formulatet the initial question in an other way?

Your also uneccesary mean to the girls here and writes kinda childish remarks...Calm down girl 

Anyways i hope you girls can settle up<3 , and im glad to hear that you clients are happy:)

your apology is heard, thank you-

however

your grasping at my spelling now huh-

 IF you were simply pointing out your leagal requirements for your state-(which by the way i have three friends who do own salons in Washington) then why would my spelling become an issue for YOU?

lets see, i work my ass off all day, i come on here to share and help and yeah, i dont do spell check or grammer check cause frankly i dont really care about that on this board, what i do care about are clients hair, peoples hair and my passion is being honest and forthright with my work, knowledge and expertise.

i come on here to help and gain insights and that to me is what is important on this board not if i hit spell check. i dont have time for your imature, rude behavior. please refraine from responding to me any further.

Aphrodite wrote: Tangles - You really should educate yourself before you attempt to comment or defame others.  Not all states require cosmetologist licenses to install extensions, or cut extension hair.

i am glad to hear u are moving on, i am too-

i am taking your advice and i am researching laws in each state, i will post my findings.

Wow!

Haven't been reading or posting too much but this one was quite entertaining.

I thought a forum was to exchange information, knowledge and ideas without judgement or expecting anything in return except the pleasure of sharing a common interest?

It's frigin hair we are discussing not a heart operation performed by a layperson!

As usual, I'm on the opposite end of the majority. Aphrodite, I was always told that no question is a stupid question except the one that was not asked.

Tangles, your response to Aphrodite's question appeared very judgemental and condesending by boasting about your skills as a professional extensionist and tearing hers down.  Perhaps a private email might have made your attempt to "educate her" more sincere? 

Aphrodite apologized for the remark about the speling errors and you are now going to "find out" about licensure?

Metal, a real genuine spiritual person does not attempt to make oneself feel better by putting others down.

And were all entitled to our own opinion and this is a forum.......so thats mine

Lisa,

What do you think the word "asinine" means?  The word literally means "utterly stupid", "like an ass"....look it up...

You are completely rude yet you do not acknowledge or see your rudeness and mistaken statements.  How do you know what, or if, I charged any of the people referred to in my questions money?  You don't.  You and Tangles have made so many assumptions that are just incorrect, and quite frankly none of your business.

Stick to what you know.  You have a lot of knowlegde to share about hair but please refrain from judging people, and assuming you know too much about what they are or are not doing.  You think you are stating facts but you are making judgments and stating your opinions.  At least be honest about what they are.     

TanglesRC wrote: aphrodite- im sorry i jjust dont get it, you are a liscensed stylist doing extensions on paying clients and you dont know how to remove the ones you are installing? shouldnt you have first practiced and learned on a doll head before you did on a client?

i am sorry if asking this question to aphrodite mader her think i was assuming anything, as i stated i was just trying to understand why she didnt FIRST practice before hand. IF that offended you Aphrodite- as i stated in my post, i WAS NOT trying to hurt you, and you know what it did, so for that, I apologize. That was not my intention AT ALL.

whether she charged or not is not my concern.

Yes maybe its not heart surgery, however, i have had so many clients come to me from someone elses chair with disasters beyond repair. That to them is very painful. And that was and is my concern for anyone espicially working in a Salon, doing extensions without compeltly knowing how to remove them.

Regarding liscensing in each state- Aphrodite- told me to research before i make a statement, and that is exactly what i in the process of doing, it has nothing to do with her statements about my spelling and grammer. She apologized for that and i have forgiven her.

As it was stated by both Aphrodite and myself, WE are moving on.

Tangles...just FYI...I did practice beforehand.  That is my whole point.  You have made assumptions that just weren't true. 

I don't disagree one bit with what you are saying about people needing to practice a lot, and really know what they are doing prior to charging big bucks.  Again, my point is : how do you know I have not practiced, and how do you know what, if anything, I charged anyone.  By making comments about me as if they were facts, it comes across as defamation. 

I respect your knowledge.  I respect Metal's knowledge ( although I now have little personal respect for her).  

You know, something you both have overlooked is that I quite honestly do not know what "class" out there I could take that would be better than me spending months, and coutless hours on this board.  I sought out Metal and flew to California so she could teach me.  I truly thought, and still think, that I had an awesome teacher.  Whether you like it or not, you are my teacher.  Because of you, Metal, sherrie and many more, I am very confident in my abilities and am becoming swamped with clients.  For that, I thank you. 

Just a tidbit of Info....Ive researched Ohios laws...and here is the jist of the Natural stylist license necessary in Ohio...NOT a cosmotology license...this is a brief overview of the State bill. Its 450 hours in Ohio for a natural stylist license....compared to 1500 for a cosmotology license. I have YET to find ANYWHERE in the bill that excludes cutting of the extension hair.....still searching!

The bill creates the State Board of Natural Hair Styling to license natural hair stylists, natural hair styling salons, and schools of natural hair styling. For purposes of the Natural Hair Stylists Law, the "practice of natural hair styling" is defined as work done for a fee or other form of compensation by any person utilizing techniques performed by hand that result in tension on hair roots, such as twisting, wrapping, weaving, extending, locking, or braiding of the hair, and which does not include the application of dyes, reactive chemicals, or other preparations to alter the color or to straighten, curl, or alter the structure of the hair. A "natural hair stylist" is defined as any person who for a fee or other form of compensation engages in the practice of natural hair styling

I guess I am not quite sure why anyone would be interested in knowing what all states say or do when it comes to cutting of extension hair, I guess it is really only pertinent to those of us whthout a license, who want to be an extensionist and charge for it.

If Tangles has a special interest in researching all state laws, that is I guess her decision.  My point to her was that before making a statement as to a law, she should educate herself on that particular situation as to not make statments that are incorrect.

When I did my research in my state, they actually did not have an answer for me right away because the cutting of extensions hair only was not contemplated in the written requirements.  They had to refer my question to their in -house counsel.  Although it is still not written, I was given the go ahead because there is currently nothing excluding cutting extension hair.  For me, I still have to coordinate with someone who can properly finish cut my client's hair.  This is not a problem because I will have many stylists in my salon that can help me.

I'm hoping we can let this topic drop, and get on with what are all trying to do our best at.  That is, be the best professionals we can, share with each other, and play nice. 

This is an informational board and I'm sad to see this thread is still going on. No question is a dumb question. I've used the same fusion on my clients for over a year and no 'take out' is  ever the same. Sometimes I can get out a full head of extensions in 1 hour and sometimes it takes me 4 hours. That's quite a difference in time considering that both clients did not have matteing or knotting. It seems that certain products used at home can change or alter the texture of bonds and make them harder to get off (in my opinion). I'd love to know a different product to get those 4 hour jobs done quicker and that does not mean I don't know what I'm doing. It's a fact that not all 'take outs' are the same and Aphrodite may have just run into one of those longer 'take outs'. She trusts us here on the board and asked for our advice.

Something to think about: I've heard that all Shrinkies come out with oil- well what about the often poster who says they have a couple pesky bonds that won't budge. They took out the majority of the bonds out with oil and practiced with no problems but now some of them have just become stuck. We advise them to try a second way to remove them using acetone- we don't tell them they are unskilled.

There are certain removers that work better for certain people and I love knowing what works for each and every one of you so I can better my knowledge. I use acetone to take out my shrinkies but I know many of you use oil. There's not one correct way- it's whatever works for you. Aphrodite was just asking if anyone knew a second option. I would have chimed in a while back but I've never used EM and I wasn't qualified to awnser the question at hand.

As for spelling and grammar- this is a casual board so who cares if there are some misspelled words. I have a 4 year degree from a Cal State Univ but I'm sure you can find tons of gramatical mistakes in my posts. This board is not my life-it's a hobbie. I jump on here, answer what I can quickly , and I get on with my life. Obviously my major was not English  

I hope this does not deter you from posting on the board Aphrodite. Boards like this are what every extension stylist should be reading to further their knowledge of extensions.

Tangles and Aphrodite have agreed to let this thread die so let's let that happen