hi- welcome to our boards, its a great lil community filled with gals who do their own extensions (DIYers)  and a host of professionals as well.  As a fellow professional, comming on here thinking its just a msg board to throw a pitch out for yourself and hopefully gain some new business, might seem like a great idea, however, it is frowned upon on this board, and other boards for that matter. While you are more then welcome to jump in, get to know us and tell us about yourself, blatant advertising is simply not acceptable. Below is taken from the board rules.

• Absolutely NO Blatant Advertising Will Be Tolerated. This forum is not provided as free advertising space for others to use to promote their products, services, websites or related agendas.  HairTalk is also not designed to help other websites build their own visitor traffic. All unauthorized advertising posts or posts that attempt to use HairTalk inappropriately will be immediately removed. 

thank you for your respect in this matter.

LOL...when Kalikas not around I improvise!

• Absolutely NO Blatant Advertising Will Be Tolerated. This forum is not provided as free advertising space for others to use to promote their products, services, websites or related agendas.  HairTalk is also not designed to help other websites build their own visitor traffic. All unauthorized advertising posts or posts that attempt to use HairTalk inappropriately will be immediately removed. 

Great minds think alike!!!!

Hello Everyone,

Kelina found this forum and was excited to join your community, she then asked me to view a few posts on this board I did but told her I wouldn't post, but when I read the responses to her thread I felt I had to. First of all let me start by saying Kelina is a newbie when it comes to forums but not the business. I explained to her that spamming was not allowed, she understood and changed her post. I want to take the time to thank Bird Of Eden for her respectful response and question. We should be about the positive and helping each other. I am also a fusion specialist with many years invested in this business and my thread (not on this forum, but started july 2004) has at least 36000, views and over 260 replies so I know my way around the forum and the hair fusion world, I also realized a long time ago that when you free your mind sucess always follows. There are some talented stylist on this board for example, there is a thread on this forum reguarding coloring Remy Indian Hair, now that is imformative, helpful and educational and I am proud to say that myself and my colleagues conducted the same tests on the hair that we use to ensure it was virgin hair (not many stylist think on that level) My point being, that is the real definition of great minds thinking alike.... Going that extra mile for the client....

Thank You

Valencia    

Damn, beat me to it

And Im all for new people joining, thats the point!  But NOT to advertize, we've had enough of that.  This isnt to expand your own business though the forum, but to learn, communicate, and share ideas and expireances.  Plus everyone should have the simple respect to read the FAQ at the very top.  Thats all

Kalika wrote: Damn, beat me to it And Im all for new people joining, thats the point!  But NOT to advertize, we've had enough of that.  This isnt to expand your own business though the forum, but to learn, communicate, and share ideas and expireances.  Plus everyone should have the simple respect to read the FAQ at the very top.  Thats all

Thank you Kalika.  I very much appreciate your diligence and your eagle eyes. 

Hello everyone, I have been to Valencia's website and she is also a friend of mine. She and I have spoken on the phone and posted on the board for ladies who need the knowledge to prevent bad mouthing of the hair fusion/extension business. She is cool people and does beautiful work.We are all hungry so let's Share the knowlege not the ignorance.Have a beautiful day.

Shiry

kelina wrote:   in my experience I have noticed alot of incompetent work. My goal is to arm the clients with as much information as possible, and to offer as much information as I can to ensure that the client is educated enough to prevent hair breakage or loss from work done by imposters. TO THE CLIENTS, please arm yourself with as much information on this method of extensions before getting the service done. I have done so much corrective work so I am now here to protect and serve. Again, feel free to ask any questions. Kelina

i couldnt agree with you more-

like i said in my first post to you-

Welcome to our community!

Shiry Thank You for your reply....

And to answer the six months question. I don't recommend that you leave fusion bonds in your hair any longer than 4 months. The strongest point of the hair is at the root and if left in too long the bond can cause stress on the hair as the hair grows, not to mention our natural hair sheds and replenish itself on a regular basis and needs to be released before it matt or dreads.

Thank You

Valencia

okay your in! you passed the "six months test"

(what, i think i'm funny)

FabulousHairExt wrote: okay your in! you passed the "six months test" (what, i think i'm funny)

What a tricky girl . I was smiling when I saw your question.

And Kelina, welcome. I´ll be looking forward to learn from your posts .

Regards,
Synne

Hello Ladies,

I know the six month comments where meant for me. FYI I have been in this business for close to 20 years and have performed fusion extention services for close to 10. I no longer advertise on any media because there is a two month wait to get on my book complete with a waiting list and believe it or not I no longer offer basic services, I send my clients to a local stylist after they receive my fusion service that way we all win. I also have several successful students across the country whom I am very proud of. There is no need to question my credentials just ask. This is a serious business and I don't have time for games. My goal is to help educate the clients as well as newbies, I have done a ton of corrective work and I hope to cut those numbers through knowledge.

Thank You

Valencia 

metalgirl wrote: What kind of fusion do you use?

I use a keritin protein based fusion bond because not only can you perform all of your basic haircare needs :color, relax, perm, moisturize with the system in place but removal is easy and not damaging..I also pre-tipp my hair by hand to ensure each hair strand is embedded in the bond and that prevents shedding. I also hate those one size fit all systems....I am able to cut my bonds custom to each client.

I never use polywax....That stuff can ripp the hair out during the removal process

Thank You for your response

Valencia 

PaulaJayne1 wrote: Isn't the proten what GL usees?

Your right it is keritin based ....They have a great product but that is not what I use....I have colleaugues that use their system and and every now and then they shed. I like to pretipp the hair that I use....

Valencia

Valencia,

Just wanted to say that I have seen your thread on the DC/Maryland website, and have seen your website as well.. You really do beautiful work.. I found Remy Hair Today through you.. As soon as I get my next paycheck, I will be purchasing hair from Camille.. So thanks for the endorsement.. Makes me feel better about a purchase when I see a stylist repping the product..

FabulousHairExt wrote: Kelina, will your fusion last 6 months?

Regarding the "6 month" post.. There have been a few recent posts on this forum regarding the topic of whether or not you can wear extensions (strand by strand, sew-in, etc) for 6 months. (As you know Great Lengths and other similar big name fusion systems claim that their extensions will last 6 months..) I am pretty sure that Fabulous was just being facetious.. After reading through some of the past postings here, it appears that every few weeks/months a new person posts a claim that their extensions will last 6 months, and they try like hell to defend why they think it's true..  ("Because my stylist told me it's true..")

Good to see you here..

THANK YOU Divavocals,

And let me take this time out to say I am sorry, you read my forum so you know how I feel about this business. I am actually thrilled that I was wrong and took it the wrong way. This is what I am trying to stop, untrue information and instructions, and those who lie to the client to line their pockets. They don't see what we see because they ripp the clients hair out and either blame the client or don't return their phone calls which forces the client to come to us for help. For the most part I can fix the damage but every now and then I can't and that breaks my heart first and then anger me. This is what motivated me to start my forum. To the other ladies, PLEASE keep fighting the good fight I now understand and respect your screening process and now I'm smiling.

Valencia

Oh it's not just the stylists who push those false claims.. Sometimes it's the unsuspecting clients too.. I've been doing some browsing of previous posts on this forum, and I'm still AMAZED at how much mis-information people are given when they have spent their hard earned money on extensions.. The thing that kills me is that even when they come here and find out (from these very knowledgable ladies) what the real deal is and that their stylist has misrepresented the truth, they still cling to the hope that the ladies here are wrong and the stylist was right.. So as for me.. I'll keep on preaching the truth (as I have learned it.. sometimes the hard way..)

I spent a lot of time reading your DC/Maryland thread, and although you said you weren't going to post here on this forum, I hope you will change your mind and bless this forum with your knowledge as well..

Glad I could clear up the misunderstanding..

BTW.. I can't seem to find the bookmark for the DC/Maryland thread.. can you post it here? Maybe some of the ladies here will want to drop in as well.. (You can never have too many resources for keeping up with this whole hair thang! LOL)

Crystal

So hairbyvalencia, which brand of fusion do you use?  Mega, Hair Dreams, Monkey Barz, Balmain, Socap,....?

I never had luck with fusion.  I'd always get tons of shedding.  So if you know which manufacturer makes the better product, I'd love to hear it.

Divavocals,

You got it, I will post on this thread as often as I can, I'm sold because of you....and I will post my link as soon as I get the chance....

Metalgirl, let me take the time out to tell you that you are well on your way, you have tried them all and refused to settle. You remind me of myself when I was young and ambitious. I LOVE THAT!! I tell my clients, I lost hair so they didn't have to.

You are right they all shed, and it takes a stylist that care to admit that, I have been there so many times. This is why I pre-tipp my hair by hand. I don't publish my distributer's information because I don't want to be responsible for imposters screwing up our clients hair. As a business woman I am sure you understand that information should not be published for all to see.

Thank You for your response

Valencia

Thanks for the info.  That's why I never got into fusion, it sheds too darn much, and that's unacceptable to me.

I use primarily http://www.markbarrington.com - www.markbarrington.com shrink links.  The  patented perma plugs never shed at all, doesn't melt under heat so it stays in tact to use over and over again.

Also I've been using a lot of silicone inserted microrings and I am loving those as well.

I certainly am ambitious, but as for being young....does 35 count as young?  I've been in the hair business for 15 years, primarily doing extensions and color.

So if you use the shrink links you pretip your own hair with the LG? Or do you order your hair?

Shiry

hairbyvalencia wrote: Divavocals, You got it, I will post on this thread as often as I can, I'm sold because of you....and I will post my link as soon as I get the chance....

 Yeah!! I am looking forward to reading more from you here..

(Maybe I have a career in sales after all.. )

Crystal

metalgirl wrote: ...but as for being young....does 35 count as young? ...

Yes yes yes and HELL yes..

Personally, I just celebrated my TWELFTH 30th birthday..

Shiry-

When I use shrink links, I never use hair that's pretipped with LG.  I order the hair from Mark Barrington, and they make the tip on the hair.  The tip is none other like you've even seen before.  It's a small square tip that is coated with plastic, so it doesn't melt under the heat of the fusion wand and therefore the hair doesn't shed much at all.  For a 'hot' application, it's really the way to go.

Ladies, the link to my forum thread is below per request. 14 pages of questions, answers, HORROR STORIES, testemonials, and even a few pictures. I am very proud of it....BUT I need to say if you are not convinced that misinformation is out there after reading the post, you are in trouble. I have an ablum of bad fusion pictures in my online gallery that are very scary, one client had to have her head shaven. I want to thank those brave ladies for sharing their stories and pictures with me giving me a tool to help others or should I say those who want to be helped. Also keep in mind that every certified stylist isn't a fusion specialist. Alot of these stylist learned by watching DVD's and mimic what they see, that is so dangerous hands on training is best dvd's don't come close to proper training....

http://www.dcmessageboards.com/index.php?showtopic=1414&st=0 - http://www.dcmessageboards.com/index.php?showtopic=1414& st=0

I hope this helps

Valencia 

hairbyvalencia wrote:  Alot of these stylist learned by watching DVD's and mimic what they see, that is so dangerous hands on training is best dvd's don't come close to proper training....   Valencia

I am so glad to hear u say that, i feel so strongly about that as well. I too repair alot of work from unqualified people. It absolutley disgusts me the work i have seen and the horror stories i have come across.

Hands on traing no matter what method is the only way to learn and prove you are a true professional. Along with alot of practicing on models and doll heads. Glad to have you here with us Valencia!

metalgirl wrote: Thanks for the info.  That's why I never got into fusion, it sheds too darn much, and that's unacceptable to me. I use primarily http://www.markbarrington.com - www.markbarrington.com shrink links.  The  patented perma plugs never shed at all, doesn't melt under heat so it stays in tact to use over and over again. Also I've been using a lot of silicone inserted microrings and I am loving those as well. I certainly am ambitious, but as for being young....does 35 count as young?  I've been in the hair business for 15 years, primarily doing extensions and color.

Shrink Links are great for caucasian hair but not African American hair. We need oil and moisture and the Shrink Links can't handle most oils, they slip within 2-3 days after application. I had to find a product comparable to both hair types because I service both. I'm sure you noticed I don't name the products I use, that is because I don't want to encourage non-qualified people to attempt this process at home and I refuse to supply the tools. I know alot of companies only sell to certified stylist (but there is always e-bay) and we know alot of stylist are not qualified. I purchase the fusion bonds and pre-tipp the hair by hand, that way I can cut the the bond before application according to the client needs. I hate those one size fit all methods I like to customize. I also have a pre-treat system for the hair I use before I pre-tipp the hair so I have very little shedding.

I hope this helps, Thank You for your response

Valencia  

I'm sure you noticed I don't name the products I use, that is because I don't want to encourage non-qualified people to attempt this process at home and I refuse to supply the tools.

Ok...maybe Im off base here...and maybe I shouldnt feel offended. But I have to state my opinion.

This is PRIMARILY a DIY forum here, and we come here to share our research and help each other out. I have been a DIYer for many years and willingly share my research, my experiments, my trials and errors and my successes, for others to benefit from.

I respect all of the professionials here for their education and experience. But those kind of comments in this public forum, seem rather offensive to me.

So you come here and learn from our information and thats fine too....but please share a little in return and keep some of those comments to yourself, remember this is a forum that is mostly DIYers who WILLINGLY share there info and findings. What would be the point of this forum if nobody wanted to share the information...and why would anybody even be here!

I didn't mean to offend you, I am happy to share my knowledge but what does that have to do with my distributer information? Please don't take it personal, I feel the stylist can protect themselves but what about the poor clients who has no idea? You never know who read these forums and I refuse to go on record giving imposters the tools needed to destroy a clients hair. Like I said, I have done alot of corrective work and there where a few that I couldn't help because it was too late and it still breaks my heart....The best I can do is tell everyone that I use a keritin protein based fusion bond and not polywax....Polywax ripps at the hair during removal. Please don't take this the wrong way because I'm sure your heart is in the right place but there are those who perform these trials and errors on clients, I got the pictures to prove it for public view and I find that unacceptable. I hope you understand but this is what make a professional tough but smart calls.

Valencia

TanglesRC wrote: hairbyvalencia wrote:  Alot of these stylist learned by watching DVD's and mimic what they see, that is so dangerous hands on training is best dvd's don't come close to proper training....   Valencia    I am so glad to hear u say that, i feel so strongly about that as well. I too repair alot of work from unqualified people. It absolutley disgusts me the work i have seen and the horror stories i have come across. Hands on traing no matter what method is the only way to learn and prove you are a true professional. Along with alot of practicing on models and doll heads. Glad to have you here with us Valencia!

Thank You,

I am now happy to be here. It is great to be among like minds....

Valencia

You know...it was a few of your comments that offended me, not just one. Everyone else here when asked about a product or a brand, is pretty willing to share the knowledge...even the professionals. Everytime you have been asked a question its the same type of response, about the *unqualified* the  *imposters* and the general air of conceit to your posts.

So if thats how you feel why do you come to a board of mostly DIYers and *unqualified* *imposters*.

Thank you to all the PROFESSIONALS that choose to share information with us *unqualified* *impostors* to help educate us so we arent ripping out hair out!

I just feel its give and take....most of us DIYers have also learned and given you a great deal of educational information, to help better you in your business too. The people that are here are here to get knowledge, they are not *imposters*

The REAL*imposters* probably never even READ these boards, and will be out there whether YOU share information or NOT

VERY well said, Sherrie...

I have followed this thread and have yet to learn anything from it.  There have been some very long posts on this thread without any information....sort of a waste of time.  Can we not just all agree that there are good extensionists, and there are bad extensionists.  We are all here to try and become better, and not one of you have the "corner on the market" of knowledge or what is best. 

Whatever keratin-based fusion that Valencia uses is most likely the same stuff we all use, and is readily available anywhere...I'm not sure why the "big secret"...LOL!!!!!

Anyways, Valencia, welcome to our board.  I do hope you have valuable information to share as it seems you have been doing this for some time.  

WOW, now this is a first, most chastise me for giving too much information.

Again I say don't take it personal, you seem to be focussed only on a few words but not why I used them and if it don't apply to you why worry about it? I am so full of information and knowledge when it comes to the procedure, maintanance and removal, my distributer information is only a fraction of my knowledge. I was able to start a thread and answer over 200 questions and not one time do I mention my distributer and yes I let the people know what is out there I feel that people should arm themselves with as much information as possible before having this service done. I don't mince words when it comes to my business because I know better, and you are right I can't stop it all but I don't have to contribute to it either. This business is growing at a rapid pace which means we all need to be vigilant.

As for my fellow stylist, if they choose to share that information, well that is their choice. I can't tell people how to run their business nor will I chatise them for it.

Valencia

ok- i have to jump in here.

aphrodite- i agree with all you said.

Valencia-this is a very close knit group of gasl who are either DIYers or professional extensionist and stylist. We are all here to share info, learn and encourage one another.

my opinion on this whole thread is this-

yes you are a professional and so am i. however i never came on here as a newbie to our community touting my work and acting as if i was "it". Maybe thats not how u meant to come accross, but in your verbage, it comes across as condesending and concieted.

try hearing it from others point of view and learn from it.

there are other boards where its just that, a place to state the facts and move on, this board, however isnt. like in my first post on this thread, its our community- we welcome new folks to share info, however, try a little tact when doing so. you do have some great insights and we certainly do welcome it.

Valencia I understand that you started a thread and answered over 200 questions, but it was in a little different context dont ya thinK? Here we are mostly all *doing* hair extensions, none of us are potential clients.

Lets see...why should I worry about it?? Heres my thought. Being this is a board of fellow DIYers when they ask questions, I like to see them given information...thats what THIS board is about. I dont like to see the posts referring to people as unqualified and imposters and for newbies or others to feel intimidated, or inferior and not ask questions.

I personally could care less who your distributor is, and any product that you use...I can get or anyone else for that matter. Its really no big secret. But that really wasnt what I was getting at. It was that you come into a community that the majority are DIYers  and make comments about not sharing info becuase of people  who are *unqualified* and *imposters*

hairbyvalencia wrote: I am so full of information and knowledge when it comes to the procedure, maintanance and removal,... Valencia

Great!  I would love to hear some specifics about your techniques with regard to all of the above. 

I personally use Extendmagic fusion as well as shrinkies.  I also use fusion chips as well as fusion sticks (keratin).  I really like the ones from Yourhairshop.com... I welcome any questions about my thoughts on any of these methods, or my suppliers. 

Also, what is it specifically about the "wax" tips that rip the hair out?  In my opinion, it is more of a patience thing with removals.  I have been able to get all of the substances out, some just take a little more time...

Tell that to a person who has had their hair ripped out....I don't need to build a clientele from this board my business is just fine. How do you know who has read this board? (not everyone post) Let's just say I posted those comments just in case, this is the World Wide Web you know....If you are doing what you are supposed to do why worry about me informing those who don't? I deal with newbies and stylist from across the country on a regular basis and they want to learn, that includes the good with the bad, there are more constructive questions to be answered and I have done just that....I refuse to stick my head in the sand and ignore the fact that clients and stylist are being misled everyday and yes I will continue to make it known. (fusion is not a hobby for me). The reason I used those adjectives is because I call it like I see it, only an imposter gives false information or work on clients knowing they are not qualified and when a problem occur, they leave their mess for others to clean....I see it everyday and I am tired of it. I am here to share my theory and knowledge and if you don't want it so be it, just look past your anger and try to understand my point and if you can't that is unfortunate.

Valencia   

Amanda8Beechwoo wrote: Just wanted to state that I have used shrinkies in Afro hair and she wore these for 3 1/2 months with total success and used her normal oils just not around the roots.

That is great to know, I havent' had that success, maybe because I only tried it one time on myself. Maybe I will try it again....

Valencia 

hairbyvalencia wrote: I am here to share my theory and knowledge and if you don't want it so be it

Well then, Get to SHARING!  

lol

I'm seeing a lot of talk, but nothing actually informative :P  Don't let this thread turn into a waste of time for us curious folks :P

What do you want to know? I have yet to get a question just attacks.

Valencia

Aphrodite wrote: hairbyvalencia wrote: I am so full of information and knowledge when it comes to the procedure, maintanance and removal,... Valencia Great!  I would love to hear some specifics about your techniques with regard to all of the above.  I personally use Extendmagic fusion as well as shrinkies.  I also use fusion chips as well as fusion sticks (keratin).  I really like the ones from Yourhairshop.com... I welcome any questions about my thoughts on any of these methods, or my suppliers.  Also, what is it specifically about the "wax" tips that rip the hair out?  In my opinion, it is more of a patience thing with removals.  I have been able to get all of the substances out, some just take a little more time...

Polywax tends to ripp at the hair during the removal process, It also tends to get gummy almost like the glue bond used to apply tracks....and you can't use oil.

I like to use a bond that is quick and easy to remove with no damage to the hair.

Valencia

Valencia...I have posted here a *few* times and I dont think anyone here would call me angry! And I may not be a professional, but I do feel Im qualified to do my own hair, and give advice on some of the methods that Ive used and gotten very skilled at over the years. I make my share of mistakes and I share those too as well as the things that Ive had success with.  I would much rather post that I use x-10  keratin sticks than talk about fusion and have an unqualified person run out and buy craft glue sticks to use in there hair because nobody would tell them what kind to use!

Anyone who reads these boards is obviously looking for information or to learn....so what makes it harmful to share legit information....thats better than no information or misleading information.

So called imposters who leave the messes for others to clean up probably arent reading these boards and learning the methods. The ones who actually want to learn and benefit are the ones that are seeking the boards like this...so why not ARM them with the information?

I do the strand by strand method..I use pre-tipped hair because it is more secure and I also pre-treat and pre-tipp my own hair because the hair that I have used in the past has shed like crazy. When I say I pre-treat my hair I mean I use a stripping shampoo to clean the root of the extention hair to make sure there are no release agents, that too can cause the hair to shed. Alot of times manufactured hair is treated with silicone and other agents to preserve the hair but those agents can cause problems for fusion extentionist and clients.

For the record let me say I no longer use manufactured hair but 100% pure raw virgin remy hair and that distributer information I am willing to give out. And again I pre-treat the hair because grapeseed oil is sprayed on the hair to prevent dry out during shipping.

Maintenance is easy but varies from client to client, of course longer hair requires less fusion touch-up's than shorter hair because the bonds remain undetectable during hair growth.

Removal is done using pure acetone, I like to pour the acetone in a sturdy spray bottle and spray the bond directly (not the hair), then use tweezers or needle nose pliars to crush the bond (it should crystalize) at that point you should be able to brush out any remaining residue the process is so easy I don't charge for the service.

Another important note is to be careful with the use of conditioners before the bonds are applied. Conditoners also has a release agent that can cause problems after application, once the bonds are applied you can condition as often as you want..

Ladies please keep in mind that like you I am not only a specialist but also a client I have worn fusion for about seven years. I have gone through the spent time, money and frustrations that you have. If this where my first visit to this board and I read my comments I wouldn't get offended because I know I am doing the right thing for the business.

I take the time between a ton of e-mail, pre-tipping, pre-treating, working with clients, teaching and now working with lace-fronts (just to name a few) to visit these forums and answer questions to help others.

If you have any specific questions I will gladly answer them the subject is VERY broad, and I can't read your mind. Please help me help you.

Valencia

Save~A~Stray wrote: Hi Valencia, I was reading through the other forum link you posted....and saw this... hairbyvalencia wrote: The bonds should be applied about 1/8th of an inch from the scalp I notice that many other fusionist apply the bond a bit further away from the scalp than 1/8th of an inch. Can you tell us why you apply the bonds so close to the scalp and if they ever have a tendency to stick out from the head that close? I am pretty new to fusion and find my applications on my mannequin have been more 1/4 to 3/8th's of an inch from the scalp. Would appreciate your input. Thanks

No problem,

If the bond is sticking up it is too close or the bond is too big. I place my bonds as close to the scalp as possible without touching the scalp. Measurements are approximate this is why we say about 1/8 of and inch. Keep working on the mannequin you will eventually be able to judge where to place the bonds but take in account you need to leave room for that bond to melt and they should lay flat. 1/4 of an inch may be ok for long hair but it may be hard for a client with only an inch of hair to work with. keep at it and it will become second nature to you.

Thank You for your respone

Valencia 

You are 100% correct and well on your way. When doing research always pay attention to those buzz words, and if 3/8 of an inch works for you go for it....I LOVE IT....Cutting them in half is the way to go, and pre-tipping by hand is even better like I said before one size doesn't fit all.

Valencia

Save~A~Stray wrote: Well, I have lot's prebonded hair here to install, so I will go even closer to see how they look. I was just thinking if I went too close they would maybe stick out.....I'll give it a try...Thanks. For the fusion girls on the board.........what spacing do you generally like to use from the scalp to apply your fusion bonds?

Perfect....Have you done a few test strands on yourself? Safety is an important factor....Mannequins can't feel heat....Please be aware of not only what it looks like but also make sure it is safe.

I have a picture in my online gallery of close fusion bonds taken by the client because she was so amazed that the bonds where so undetectable even when exposed after she washed her hair. Also you will see how close I get to the scalp without error....

Just give me instructions and I will post that picture 

Valencia

I applaud Great Lengths for that and encourage it but I don't use it because I don't need to. There are alot of things we learn in training that we don't stick with once we start doing our own thing and perfect it. I know there are stylist out here that knows what I mean. Do you still part the hair in five sections before doing a haircut or roller set? And if you do good for you....

I almost always do my own hair, front and back because I like my hair done a certain way and I am to the point that I don't have to think about bond placement or burning my scalp (and I don't have eyes in the back of my head), it is second nature to me at this point.

I am just being honest with you I hope this is not taken out of context as being conceited.

I need to say that you are doing the right thing to protect your clients, and even more while testing your craft. I respect that

Valencia

TanglesRC wrote: hairbyvalencia wrote:  Alot of these stylist learned by watching DVD's and mimic what they see, that is so dangerous hands on training is best dvd's don't come close to proper training....   Valencia    I am so glad to hear u say that, i feel so strongly about that as well. I too repair alot of work from unqualified people. It absolutley disgusts me the work i have seen and the horror stories i have come across. Hands on traing no matter what method is the only way to learn and prove you are a true professional. Along with alot of practicing on models and doll heads. Glad to have you here with us Valencia!

I'm sorry I missed your post, Thank You....At least I know I'm not alone....

Valencia

Is it this one Valencia?

Edit: Thats weird. I could se the pic in the writing field before I posted it!?!
Maybe a link will work:

http://us.a1.yahoofs.com/users/42d7fdd3z780f36da/75d1/__sr_/66a5.jpg?phYBsAEBdnp9AvXR - http://us.a1.yahoofs.com/users/42d7fdd3z780f36da/75d1/__sr_/ 66a5.jpg?phYBsAEBdnp9AvXR

Thank You for all the help ladies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let me know when I can post the link....

Valencia

 when u give, you get. thats all there is to it!

something funny i noticed though, THIS is the ONLY post she has contributed to!

oh well......