What did I miss?

I know I have exchanged words with her in the past, but her and I still talk, and I do think she has a lot of contribute.  She just has a strong, aggresive personality (like I do too!) and sometimes she steps on toes (like I do too!)

So what cardinal sin did she perpetrate?

i ditto the question. 

Karen, i noticed you have a poll on that topic but how do we vote without knowing the reason for the ban.

metalgirl wrote: What did I miss? I know I have exchanged words with her in the past, but her and I still talk, and I do think she has a lot of contribute.  She just has a strong, aggresive personality (like I do too!) and sometimes she steps on toes (like I do too!) So what cardinal sin did she perpetrate?

If you want her to stay, vote yes.  If not, no.

I don't want to drag out dirty linen and go through this since I can only guess that it will start a fire storm.

I am trying very hard to minimize fighting on the boards.

Everyone wants me to ban troublemakers.  I know this because I get bmails asking me to block various people who cause fights.  Yet when I block some of them, not everyone agrees.  Which is why there is a poll. 

At this point it is not about why she was banned.  There was a very good reason and she knows clearly what it is because she bmailed me about it. 

The point now is whether you agree that she goes or stays. 

As my mom used to say, you can't have your cake and eat it too.  If you guys want a board that is relatively fight free, I am going to have to ban people that break the rules or start fights, either through bmails or on the threads. 

I am not going to belabor all the points.  So yes or no and I will abide by the majority on this topic.

A man with a strong personality is admired for his strength and a woman with a strong personality is called a b#@!!

I can't beleive there is a whole discussion on if Aphrodite should be banned! I find that very degrading and childish. So am I to be next for stating my opinion? Is everyone going to be walking around on eggshells and not post what they really mean in fear of getting banned. For crying out loud, I've seen plenty of people here get away with quite a bit....but of course that depends on who you are! So do people really think she should be banned or are they just agreeing to ban her so they don't have to worry about themselves getting banned for sticking up for her? Well I'm sticking up for her, I like her. And Metal, I've always admired you, more now for sticking up for Aphrodite after a long forgotten disagreement!

LET APHRODITE STAY AND LETS JUST MOVE ON!!! 

I agree with all of the above. There are many members who do what Aphrodite was banned for. Why is she being singled out???? and dragged through the mud????

I really like this board and I like reading everyones opinions on different matters. I feel like no one will give their true feelings or thoughts anymore frightened that someone may read it the wrong way and complain and get the person banned.

Personally I have found many sources from members here. That's I love this place. I find no offense to them. how else are we to find what we are looking for if you can't let people know what you have???

Let her stay and let's move on.!!!!

I like Aphrodite too and i would like to see her back here.  She has alot to contibute and has been very hepful.  I am really surprised she was banned and the person who done the same wasnt (no offence)

Can she come back?

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I agree with all the above.  My understanding of why she was banned is just rediculous!!!  There definately is lots of favortisim going on, what should be good for one should be good for another!!

What ever happened to our freedom of speech???  She has never blatently attacked another member and said cruel things, that is why I don't understand why the issue of banning her even came up.  Trolls are one thing, but Aphrodite never acted like a troll.  Come on people!!!

Umh is there something i missed or something? cause i cant think of a reason for here to be banned....

Okey like for like a Month ago there was the argument with here and some other girls here....wich i personally think should have been done over P.M but what done is done:) We all have moved one, and i se No reason for here to be banned!

Can she still visit this site? if that is the case, were rooting for yah honey!:D

(and when it comes to discussions and arguments, we kinda need them, we learn from them...we Grow! its a part of our self delevopment....Live and learn!)

gsmilie wrote: I agree with all the above.  My understanding of why she was banned is just rediculous!!!  There definately is lots of favortisim going on, what should be good for one should be good for another!! What ever happened to our freedom of speech???  She has never blatently attacked another member and said cruel things, that is why I don't understand why the issue of banning her even came up.  Trolls are one thing, but Aphrodite never acted like a troll.  Come on people!!!

There are two sides to every story and a LOT goes on behind the scenes that many people do NOT ever see.  Let me repeat...a LOT goes on behind the scenes and many threads are often deleted before anyone ever sees them.  

People who seem nice publicly can show very different sides behind the scenes.  I have seen this happen. 

What you may think happened and what really happened may not be close to reality.  What you may have been told happened is one side because I am not going to talk about this in detail as I have said above.

If I just ignored things that are going on and let them go full force and the site broke out into major fighting - and this has happened before in the 10 years that HairTalk has been in existence - you would all be bitching me out because I let things get out of control. In fact, some years ago, I tried to be "fair" to the point that fighting broke out and HairTalk was closed for 30 days.  I almost did not bring it back because of crap like what is happening now with this Aprhodite situation.

So with that said....I do the very best I can do to keep things as fair as possible, as quiet as possible and as friendly as possible. 

Only two people really know what happened and that is Aphrodite and me.  I am not going to I dignify my decisions based on what happened with an explanation.

Free speech?  HairTalk is the private property of HairBoutique.com.  We pay all of the bills including the two T1s that make this forum possible.  HairTalk costs thousands...yes thousands...a month to support.  Yet it is free for all of you to come and visit and hang out and even post about your private products.  Many sites would never allow that.  They don't even allow the links to private websites.  Nor do they allow images. I try to be fair and bend over backwards to do so but there are limits.

Many sites come and go.  They are here one minute and gone the next.  We have been operational for close to 10 years except for a brief period when I got so fed up with the fighting and name calling and finger pointing that I temporarily closed the Hair Talk site.

While I want people to be comfortable and enjoy their visit, I am not going to ever allow this forum or any of the other HairTalk forums to ever again degrade into mud slinging, name calling or other horrors that happen.  So if free speech means attacking me for trying to keep a clean and friendly and good forum, then that it is what it means.

I had a very good reason for banning Aphrodite and it was not the FIRST time that there was a good reason.  Since I banned her more things have come to my attention and I feel that I did the right thing for the best interests of the majority people here.

Normally there would not have even been a vote about it.  I made a special exception and put up a poll because I was accused of being "unfair" and showing "favoritism".  Well if protecting my private property and my site and worrying about the best interests for all who visit is favoritism, then I do indeed show favoritism.  If showing favoritism means supporting people that have posted over 1,500 times and visit every day and help others...then yes - I show favoritism.

One last point.  Where are all of YOU accusing me of being unfair when I am sitting alone at 3:00 am in the morning and deleting spam attacks on the Extension board or deleting trolls or deleting threads where people are calling each other names.  And where are all of you when I am getting bombarded with BMails from people pointing fingers and saying she did this and she did that and she sucks and I hate her and etc etc etc.

Good deeds, which I am trying to do in the interest of this forum, never GO unpunished - or do they?

I know one thing, I have certainly seen people in new lights as a result of all of this.

kristie m wrote: Reading all these posts on this thread makes me realize why I love the Extension Forum so much--strong, independent women (and one VERY mature young man) who have the guts to express themselves assertively. It would be a shame to see these voices quieted because of the sensitivity of a few. I don't know what happened with Aphrodite, but it sure sounds like she shouldn't have been permanently banned. Perhaps temporarily preventing certain people from posting when things truly get out of hand would be a better solution. I'd hate to see this forum become another one of those heavily censored, overcontrolled, overly nice and BORING sites I've experienced through the years.

Sites that are not censored have events like scammers come in and sell everyone hair that doesn't really exist.  Or they quickly fill up with people that prey on the innocent or similar situations.

Is HairTalk censored?  Again...we try to walk a fine line.

If HairTalk is overly nice and BORING so be it.  I do my very best and if people don't like it, well that is their opinion.

Karen Shelton wrote:   There are two sides to every story and a LOT goes on behind the scenes that many people do NOT ever see.  Let me repeat...a LOT goes on behind the scenes and many threads are often deleted before anyone ever sees them.

That is why I pm'd you, because I do relize that there are 2 sides to every story, and I had only recieved the one side.  When people only see and hear the one side they are going to stick up for somebody that they feel has been treated unfairly

KAREN SHELTON wrote: Free speech?  HairTalk is the private property of HairBoutique.com.  We pay all of the bills including the two T1s that make this forum possible.  HairTalk costs thousands...yes thousands...a month to support.  Yet it is free for all of you to come and visit and hang out and even post about your private products.  Many sites would never allow that.  They don't even allow the links to private websites.  Nor do they allow images. I try to be fair and bend over backwards to do so but there are limits.

I feel like I have to be careful of what I say, if I disagree with somebody.  At this point in time it seems as if we need to walk on eggshells.  Yes, all freedom of speech does have it's limits and does come at a cost to somebody.

Karen you do do a good job and I love this forum.   Unforutnatly its the nature of the beast that you would hear more neg. critisim than the KUDOS you deserve.

With all that being said, I am opting to move on from this topic and talk about what I am obsessed with.  HAIR!!!

gsmilie wrote: I feel like I have to be careful of what I say, if I disagree with somebody.

I don't think there is anything wrong with a little disagreement - everyone is entitled to their own opinions.  We just have to remember to keep it civil, and to not fan the flames if it turns into a catfight, lol.   

*cough*

tact n.

1. Acute sensitivity to what is proper and appropriate in dealing with others, including the ability to speak or act without offending.

mokipono wrote: Hey, it's Karens board, she's out

Actually, at this point it would be great thing.  :-)

Thanks everyone.  And back to hair.

I appreciate all of you and a good catfight when I am not in it.  LOL. 

Im so glad you postet that long post Karen^^  you do a greaaat job with this forum and is quick with Cleaning it for trolls wich i appreicate soo much!

I think it is good that you explained a bit more in detail so we all understand it is Not about favourtisme, Aprodithe has much to contribute yes..... but if there is more "bitchin" then postivie hair stuff , i agree with that we do not need people like that.

NOW back to Hair and all it`s lovlieness....<3 *goin to chech my mailbox and se if my protacs have arrievd:D:D

I just want to say this hair extension board is the most incredible board i have ever seen. I have been a stylist a long time and deceided to take an advanced course in hair extensions. The class was a 5 day and 8 hours a day course but when i found this sight by accident i can only tell you i have never learned so much about a subject like this in my life. Each and every person on this sight is to me a god-send . Please don't ever take this site away. I have read 140 posts on this site going all the way back to 2003 or 2004 and i just cannot believe the info on here. All i can say is you all are "SIMPLY THE BEST"

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there is alot we dont know, alot we havent seen or heard, there are two sides to every story. Karen runs an awesome board -is fair, ethical, PROFESSIONAL and kind. I have the upmost respect for how she runs this place and if she has her reasons, then so be it.

Now back to Hair!!!

And just a thought...for everyone to think about. Its easy to vote against the underdog and YES Aphrodite has been the underdog from day one. I can see why she would be quick to react to things and to over-react in her own defense based on past experiences here.

Im sorry if this isnt the popular opinion, but its my opinion none the less.