undetectable strands/ invisible strand method????
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Topic: undetectable strands/ invisible strand method????
Posted By: CuteandSassy
Subject: undetectable strands/ invisible strand method????
Date Posted: December 03 2006 at 4:14pm
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Hi Ladies,
Does anyone know how to do the undetectable strand method that is with a needle and bulk hair? Its not microchet. Its done with bulk hair and a needle.
Anyone have any info? Thanks!
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Posted By: pooks1
Date Posted: December 03 2006 at 4:39pm
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I think that is the pinchbraid method.
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Posted By: CuteandSassy
Date Posted: December 03 2006 at 4:47pm
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Are pinchbraids applied with a needle or latch hook? |
Posted By: monsterita
Date Posted: December 04 2006 at 10:43am
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I just saw something like that, I think on doctoredlocks.com's demonstrations, but I can't remember any details. You could poke around that site and see if you see anything.
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Posted By: mokipono
Date Posted: December 05 2006 at 2:21am
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Hi Cute and Sassy,
Pinch braids are done with thread only for individual strands placement. Small tiny braids close to the scalp tied off with string. No tools, just string.
Check out this you tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow_J4vaK4J0 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow_J4vaK4J0
This method has many different names but basically you are making a very thin track with string and sewing the wefts onto it. This is very popular for mens hair pieces, also known as Apollo method.
I have seen the method your talking about on video done by Lisha Coleman
http://www.lisha.com - www.lisha.com ------------- http://hawaiianhairextensions.com - http://hawaiianhairextensions.com |
Posted By: CuteandSassy
Date Posted: December 10 2006 at 1:51pm
| thanks for all your replies. the method im talking about is the one done here: http://www.worldviewdesign.com/optimalhealthweightloss/optimal1.htm - http://www.worldviewdesign.com/optimalhealthweightloss/optimal1.htm anyone have any ideas on how this is done? They charge like 4,000+ to do them. |
Posted By: Gina E
Date Posted: December 11 2006 at 12:38pm
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http://talk.hairboutique.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=30404 - http://talk.hairboutique.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=30404
I took the course from Marcella Elis (you can look her up) ------------- I've got a new puppy!!! She's a http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/GinaE52979/EvansFirstDayandRoxy06019.jpg - White Boxer |
Posted By: Ms.Honey
Date Posted: December 12 2006 at 10:09am
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Hi Gina E.
Are your demo pics of Marcella Ellis' technique? Do you know Agape too?
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Posted By: CuteandSassy
Date Posted: December 12 2006 at 6:32pm
YOU ARE SUCH A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE I READ WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT ON BHM TOO! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least I think thats you on BHM???
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Gina E wrote:Posted By: CuteandSassy
Date Posted: December 12 2006 at 6:33pm
I KNOW AGAPAGE ITS THE SAME CONCEPT AS THE ONE THAT GINA IS SHOWING YOU JUST USE DENTAL FLOSS TO DO THE TIEING IT OFF.
I'VE TRIED TO EXPLAIN IT SO MANY TIMES YOU CAN PM IF YOU WANT ME TO ATTEMPT TO EXPLAIN!
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Posted By: Gina E
Date Posted: December 12 2006 at 9:11pm
There must be a different Gina on BHM...I've only posted a few times.
Gosh...I felt so helpful and wise there for a moment!  ------------- I've got a new puppy!!! She's a http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/GinaE52979/EvansFirstDayandRoxy06019.jpg - White Boxer |
Posted By: Ms.Honey
Date Posted: December 12 2006 at 9:33pm
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Hi Cute and Sassy, I've been on that site before. I think it's microillusions. If you save the picture of it and magnify it in MY PICTURES on you computer you can tell(it's the third pic with the insert). Sheprobably uses the crochet needle instead of dental floss. This is what she says about how it's applied:
Q: How is it applied or attached to my hair?
A: The Strand by Strand System is a very unique interlocking technique that involves weaving small amounts of hair onto your hair. The Strand by Strand System does not cover your hair, but blends your hair with 100% human hair that perfectly matches your natural hair color and texture. Giving you a more natural look and feel. To ensure uniformity and longevity of the hair extensions, this procedure is applied by using actual crochet needles, no thread, no beads, no glue, no wax, no heat or dental floss, is used during application |
Posted By: ccross6032
Date Posted: December 12 2006 at 9:39pm
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hey gina -
i remember this post from awhile back - my ? is how do you remove the strand? if it's the same color as your own hair, do you just loosen the knot? |
Posted By: Gina E
Date Posted: December 12 2006 at 10:29pm
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You cut it!
There is a little "nubby" it creates.
However...I would think after several months of wear it would be hard to pick it out
 I've never had the patience or aquired the speed to try this on anyone but my mannequin. ------------- I've got a new puppy!!! She's a http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/GinaE52979/EvansFirstDayandRoxy06019.jpg - White Boxer |
Posted By: Ms.Honey
Date Posted: December 12 2006 at 11:00pm
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Hey guys, Agape says that they seal their microillusions with Agape sealant to help the illusions last up to a year. What is the sealant, nail glue or crazy glue? Maybe liquid gold? Any ideas?
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Posted By: Gina E
Date Posted: December 12 2006 at 11:32pm
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I hope not crazy glue?!
Maybe spirit gum? ------------- I've got a new puppy!!! She's a http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/GinaE52979/EvansFirstDayandRoxy06019.jpg - White Boxer |
Posted By: Shirilyn
Date Posted: December 13 2006 at 7:52am
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To me it looks like a very tiny fusion bond. That doesn't look like the undetectable strand that Marcella Ellis taught me. I don't even offer that method because that hair is going to keep growing down and eventually you are going to see it. To say that it will last a year is a total lie. The microillusions looks like fusion to me.......maybe it's just me. I thought the man on hairextensiontools.com taught that? I've got to the point where more stylist are teaching a method or learning a method and putting their name on it. We are probably already doing some of the stuff and not realizing it.
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Posted By: Gina E
Date Posted: December 13 2006 at 9:16am
AMEN!!!!
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Posted By: CuteandSassy
Date Posted: December 13 2006 at 1:12pm
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Agape does the micro illusion method with the dental floss. I've spoken with someone that got it done. It also says on the website that they use dental floss. The difference is the braid is so tiny like literally a few strands of hair to a few strands of extension hair. I've also seen the video on the method. Its extremely small braids tied off. The same concept as undetectable strands. I didn't realize that undetectable strands were braids as well.
Instead of a crochet needle they use the dental floss. Its the same thing you wrap the hair around the dental floss and the braid 3 times and then pull the wrapped hair through using the dental floss.
I've been told their special sellant seems to be a nail glue of some sort but i cant say for sure.
I was also told that she had to cut them out of her hair because they got tangled and matted.
Shirly I think the other method is microchet from the hair extension guide. Not sure if thats what you are speaking of. I've been told thats the best method to get an invisible strand look because it doesn't cause damage to the hair like the micro illusions.
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Posted By: Ms.Honey
Date Posted: December 13 2006 at 1:39pm
| I have the microchet dvd but I haven't tried it on my mannequin yet. It's very simple but it's designed so that you have to buy hair from him that's supposedly very expensive but you can make it on your own. The whole kit is $500. The extension hair is fusion bonded with a looped string(probably thin weave thread) on it's end.There are two methods on the dvd but four altogether. Option B is so small that once it's in you can't tell it from you own hair if it's a 1/4 inch or more from your scalp. You use a crochet hook and seal it with nail glue. When you remove them you just remove the glue and just pull the looped extension knot, no cutting necessary. |
Posted By: Ms.Honey
Date Posted: December 13 2006 at 1:46pm
| Hi Shiry, How long does Marcellas' technique last. Does she seal hers too? |
Posted By: CuteandSassy
Date Posted: December 13 2006 at 3:51pm
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I know Marcellas says it last up to a year. I was wondering about that as well and if she sealed it. I saw that the microchet was raised to $600 :-(I thought they had to be cut out though at least thats what the maker told me.
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Posted By: Ms.Honey
Date Posted: December 13 2006 at 4:29pm
| The option A has to be cut out but it appears to be double looped you could add another to it if you cut the top loop. The option B is tied in a way that once the nail glue is dissolved all you have to do is pull and the microchet unties and comes out,no cutting. |
Posted By: Shirilyn
Date Posted: December 13 2006 at 6:12pm
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yes, she does seal it as well. I just don't see any method lasting twelve months, that's not realistic.
Shiry ------------- http://www.myspace.com/texashairextensionqueen |
Posted By: Ms.Honey
Date Posted: December 13 2006 at 6:49pm
| They would have to be narrow and short as well. Very, very short. The ones I made couldn't be seen or felt and if they're covered when you put them in unless you have breakage they would remained covered as your natural hair grows. My question was how can they say it lasts 8 months to a year with NO MAINTENANCE??? Wouldn't it have to be resealed? Plus that's your money if you're offering that service. My regular fusion was cheap only $400 but I had to get maintenance every one to two months at $40 a pop because of natural shedding weighing down some of the bonds. |
Posted By: Gina E
Date Posted: December 13 2006 at 8:51pm
Hmmm...
She must have changed the course since I took it. She didn't seal the micros then. I too raised an eyebrow to the claim of 12 month extensions.
Another issue I had was w/the fusion technique taught. We used a gun on I-tip hair and rolled it in. NO NO NO...I had done several fusions b4 and knew the tips would peel back once the keratin broke down.
I do like her sew-in method though! ------------- I've got a new puppy!!! She's a http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/GinaE52979/EvansFirstDayandRoxy06019.jpg - White Boxer |
Posted By: Ms.Honey
Date Posted: December 13 2006 at 9:46pm
| Are you saying that she taught you all to put glue on extensions that had glue on it already? Why not teach how to make bonds with loose hair. They're cheaper than nail and I tips anyway. |
Posted By: Darling Nikkie
Date Posted: December 17 2006 at 5:56am
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mshoney,
I was very curious about the microchet method and when I saw it on their website I thought it was the bestest  I ever encountered! I asked here if anyone knew about it and the talk sorta stopped after deciding that if you can't re use that expensive hair anyway, why bother!
So, needless to say I'M GLAD you brought it up again. I'd love to learn it...can you tell us a bit more? Or show some pics or video? I'm just wishing out loud here 
Maybe we can all put our heads together on how to make the loop/pre tip ourselves. I wonder if the glue adheres to the loop thread since it's not made of hair? It looks amazing though... ------------- I learn to love and try to understand everyone I meet. I see the rainbow hiding in their eyes. 
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Posted By: Ms.Honey
Date Posted: May 27 2007 at 3:15pm
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Take a piece of weaving thread, make a tiny loop, tie it off in a knot. Begin a fusion bond as usual, dip in glue pot or make with the gun but add the thread with the loop extended above the top of the glue before you roll it between your fingers. Go through the bond and snip off the excess string.
Reuse the hair as usual. Dissolve with acetone, remove the excess from your bond and do the above to make a new one. ------------- ALL EYES ON ME |
Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: May 29 2007 at 7:19am
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I looked into this method and Im sure its great but I to am leary of its claim of extensions lasting upwards of a year. That just does not seem possible. There was a lady on Black Hair Media forum who had it done and she seemed happy with it but complained of excessive shedding. It seems like such a tiny knot would be very difficult to maintain.
I had a phone consult about it and asked if it was a practical method for silky fine caucasian hair and the lady (who was very nice) said she had many white clients. I asked if she would send me a few close up photos on caucasian hair and she sent one and its dark colored hair and a little tiny thumbnail shot so who knows. Also, yes, they will come to you and stay in your home for a fee because it can take upwards of a week to do a full head on caucasian hair. We are talking $6000. As much as I would like to try it, yikes, I have to draw the line somewhere on what I spend on this. Plus you better get the BEST possible quality and match bulk hair you can find on the market for this. Maybe if I hit the lottery someday... sigh.
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Posted By: Ms.Honey
Date Posted: May 29 2007 at 10:23am
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Hi Krimsa,
Which one did you call? That's the high end price for them. There's really no "low end" they're expensive but the cheapest one I've found starts at $1000. I know someone who's not licensed, she's a Cosmo student, that charges less, but $1000 to $1500 is what most shops charge.
Here's a list of the least expensive ones I've found and posted here for someone else. This is my summary:
You may also want to consider microillusions. They can take 3-7 days to install. The price is between $1000-$4000. They're similiar to pinch braids but aren't braided more than a 1/4 down, the extension hair is then wrapped around your hair and then two pieces of the extension hair is then tied off. Gina posts a similar type that uses a micro hook and ties off into a little knot.
Only your hair and the extension hair is used, no string, monofibre, glue, links etc. Usually last 8 months to a year. Also called undetectable strands invisible strands and undetectable hair.
They're so tiny you can barely see them, you have to be looking for them and you can't feel them at all. About five strands of hair attached to 5 strands of your own hair. That's why they're "invisible" to the eye and touch, takes so long and costs so much dang on money
 http://www.agapecollection.com/blk%20and%20chrome/strand.htm - http://www.agapecollection.com/blk%20and%20chrome/strand.htm
They may travel, I don't know, call. They say that they have travel packages, they're in Dallas Texas.
http://www.marcellaellis.com/out_of_town_travelers - http://www.marcellaellis.com/out_of_town_travelers
I don't think this salon has traveling stylist,you can ask, but they say if you get a service worth $1500 or more, about the price of the microillusions, they'll give you a $200 travel allowance towards your airfare. They're here in Maryland. Don't forget to ask them about pics of microillusions in caucasian hair.
http://www.kinksinc.com/hairweave.html - http://www.kinksinc.com/hairweave.html
This salon's stylist will come to you. They do the microillusions, they call them undetectable strand by strand. They offer other solutions as well that are more affordable. There's a contact number posted to discuss costs and arrangements. It may be much cheaper if you come out here to Maryland though. Ask them if they have installed microillusions in Caucasian hair before and ask for pics. If they say that they have and can't send you pics, I'll go over and look at their portfolio, but you really need to see them yourself. http://content.presentationengine.com/ieViewer.php?tid=113284 - http://content.presentationengine.com/ieViewer.php?tid=113284
Hair is Jilena, Manhattan,N.Y click Invisible Strands on the left. They have pics of the microillusions and pics w/Caucasian hair, you can see if they have close ups. Theirs start at $1500 INCLUDING the hair always double check.
http://www.fusionextensionsnewyork.com/faq.html - http://www.fusionextensionsnewyork.com/faq.html and http://www.fusionextensionsnewyork.com/services.html - http://www.fusionextensionsnewyork.com/services.html This site goes into great detail about the different extension techniques. They also have pics of their services for caucasian hair. You'll need close ups. Theirs start at $1000. ------------- ALL EYES ON ME |
Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: May 29 2007 at 12:03pm
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Wow! Thanks so much for all this research! All I did was call the one place I could find and talked on the phone. I might look into this but have decided to try sew in wefts for the first time. I have always just done the fusion/strand by strand method and never really been totally satisfied with it. Mainly because no matter what, you can feel those bonds and I really dislike the feel of so many on my head.
I have done some research on the sew ins and seen photos and talked to people that have them and as long as you find a very small micro weft and tiny tracks, the hair does lie quite flat and undetectibly. It is also important to use GOOD hair that is the best possible match to your own and I think I have been able to do that. So I will give the wefts a try and if I dont like that, then I will be looking into the invisible strands next for certain. I am printing this thread. Thanks again. |
Posted By: Ms.Honey
Date Posted: May 29 2007 at 12:23pm
You're welcome. You forgot to give the name of the salon you called .------------- ALL EYES ON ME |
Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: May 29 2007 at 6:29pm
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Here it is:
http://www.worldviewdesign.com/optimalhealthweightloss/optimal1.htm That was the lady I spoke to on the phone about the method. She said it can take up to a week to do a full head on caucasian hair but can last up to a year with proper care. I think the price she quoted was between 4000-6000 depending on what you wanted to do. It was about two months ago that I spoke to her though. I asked if there was any kind of sealant put on the knot to keep it there and she said no which made me doubtful it would last that long but I could be wrong. Its totally undetectible. I dont know, I just cant see spending that much on something that might literally wash down the shower drain but she said they offer a guarantee on them and they really should at that price! At least a sew in you know that aint going nowhere soon. |
Posted By: Ms.Honey
Date Posted: May 29 2007 at 10:05pm
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She's the most expensive one I've come across too. Unless Jesus is installing them Himself, I can't see anyone in their right mind paying that much money for them unless they just didn't know they could have gotten them done for $5000 cheaper. She has lost her dog gone mind!!! ------------- ALL EYES ON ME |
Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: May 30 2007 at 5:45am
| Is it all the same method though? Frankly Im a little confused. The one that she does sounds like a microlink where they take one of your natural growing strands and then wrap it around 4 strands of extension hair and somehow tie it with a crochet needle. So its only your naturally growing hair holding each "knot". Is this the same method that they use on balding areas but they are just doing an entire head with longer bulk extensions? Thats why it takes so darn long and she said they have 2 stylists working on you at once. One on each side but sheesh, that just seems so painstaking for the stylist and client. In a way i can see the reason for the high cost but Im sure its done cheaper in other places with pretty similar results? |
Posted By: Ms.Honey
Date Posted: May 30 2007 at 1:21pm
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I haven't been on that site lately but I think she said she was trained by one of the other MI instructors.
Are you saying she actually attaches extension hair with a microlink and then covers it up with hair and ties it off? Now that would be very interesting. I was going to make my own micropoint type of thing with the little craft sore beads and pre-tipped hair siliconed or something inside. I may still do it. We're always making up stuff ------------- ALL EYES ON ME |
Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: May 30 2007 at 1:31pm
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I guess by micro point link I meant more like this:
http://www.cyberhair1.com/micropoint.aspx As far as i can tell, they are doing the same procedure as this but just using more or longer hair and doing it many many times as oppossed to just where the person needs it specifically like in the case of a bald spot or area of thinning. I think thats what is going on here and why the steep price tag. |
Posted By: Ms.Honey
Date Posted: May 30 2007 at 3:20pm
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I'll have to check her site again. ------------- ALL EYES ON ME |
Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: May 30 2007 at 3:56pm
| What you could do also if you want is email them and ask for a phone consult. They will call you and just double check what she says about the method because this was about 2 months I spoke with her but i remember it was more money than I could handle including putting her up for a few days. |