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Topic: Shampoos and extension hair?
Posted By: krimsa
Subject: Shampoos and extension hair?
Date Posted: July 06 2007 at 6:52pm
Hi all. Iím getting a sew in tomorrow with 3 wefts of Russian hair. Iím excited and the hair is very nice. I jut got done coloring my natural hair with a semi permanent color and the match is perfect.

Okay Iím thinking about shampoos. This hair is NICE and I donít want to mess it up. I plan on shampooing as little as possible, probably once every 4 days. I have heard you donít want to use any shampoos that contain sulfates. Iím guessing this applies even to virgin Russian? The gentler the better? Those of you out there wearing the Russian about how often are you shampooing and what care products are in your normal routine that are working nicely for you. Any help/info would be nice. Thanks.



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Posted By: amm
Date Posted: July 06 2007 at 7:15pm
Pureology Hydrate is a good shampoo as well as Loma Peratin & Chocolate Soymilk - all are sulfate free.

But listen, I have very good results from sulfate shampoos as well such as Herbel Essences Hello Hydration (smells incredible & very inexpensive) and Neutrogena Triple Moisture. I have used the latter for years and have had no problems with it on extension hair for the long haul.



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Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: July 06 2007 at 7:19pm
Okay cool. Yeah ya know isnt the sulfate the molecule or whatever that reacts with water to cause suds? Without suds, how do you clean oils from the hairshaft anyway? It seems like some of these sulfate free ones might just kind of smell nice and cause build up really.

Anyway, Im printing this thread so I get the names and will just kind of use up what I have and get a new one. Thanks.


Posted By: sisterhanse
Date Posted: July 06 2007 at 7:23pm
try garnier fructis it worked wonders for my extentions

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Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: July 06 2007 at 10:18pm
I use sulfate and non-sulfate. I just switch around. With the virgin Russian you don't have to worry so much since it's not coated. There's differing opinions about sulfate and non-sulfate shampoos. I like a lot of poos that have them. I love HEllo Hydration! It smells AMAZING (I know, I'm repeating what Amm already wrote) but it's really is great!

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Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: July 06 2007 at 10:21pm
I think I need to find this Hello Hydration. A lot of people seem to really like it. I also heard it works well to soften new wefts if you just soak it in there with some water. Ya know when they are brand new and stiff at the top.


Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: July 07 2007 at 3:10am
Yeah, I heard that too about the wefts softening.
I was reading about cones in conditioners. I guess it coats your hair after
a while and can make your hair look dry. So what I do is use a clarifying poo (I guess) every two weeks. I definitely noticed a difference with the Hello Hydration though and it smells GREAT!!


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Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: July 07 2007 at 5:49am
Yeah conditioners can be tricky with extensions. I have noticed that in the past. Its a fine line between giving the hair the moisture but also not overdoing it and getting a wayed down look. The drying factor I could see from certain ingrediants they put in conditioner that tend to have the opposite effect when used over time. Thats why I think also, you should use maybe a couple different types.

I was going to try only using conditioner on the ends when I shower and then I also got a nice leave in thats supossed to seal the ends and keep them from breaking longer. When I have worn Indian hair, that seemed to always be a problem that the ends become brittle and start breaking. Since this Russian hair is virgin and bone straight though, Im hoping its less prone to breakage. I might curl it on occasion but plan on mainly wearing it straigt and using heat tools as little as possible.

Oh I should ad, just make this thread ANY products you currently use on your extensions that work well, conditioners or leavs ins or mousse or anything. Whatever you have in you "hair aresenal" so to speak to keep your extensions nice and lasting longer.


Posted By: monsterita
Date Posted: July 07 2007 at 4:10pm
I just found a wonderful non-sulfate shampoo for less than $5 a bottle at Trader Joes.  It's really nice and leaves my hair feeling as good as the Pureology.  Garnier didn't do as good a job for me and I had extensions go bad using that shampoo.  I haven't tried the Herbal Essences because I object to their commercials.  Confused

cathug<---------  I just thought that was cute. 


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Posted By: amm
Date Posted: July 07 2007 at 5:12pm
Originally posted by monsterita monsterita wrote:

I just found a wonderful non-sulfate shampoo for less than $5 a bottle at Trader Joes.


Here's something else...

Trader Joe's carries a line of dog shampoo from Cloud Star called Buddy Wash. Works on our hair, too! It's non-sulfate and check out the natural ingredients!

https://www9.mailordercentral.com/cloudstar/prodinfo.asp?number=W1520 - https://www9.mailordercentral.com/cloudstar/prodinfo.asp?number=W1520 . A huge 19oz bottle is less than $9 and the lavender/mint aroma is fantastic. Best thing is that every purchase Cloud Star gives back to non-profit animal rescues.

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Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: July 07 2007 at 5:18pm
Wow! I'm going to look for those!!

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Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 4:05pm
Oh and I did get the sew in on saturday. Its nice and I really like it. This Russian hair is fantastic and so soft and smooth. It just feels so much better than any other hair type I have used. Anyway the only issue with the lady doing the sew in was I brought the wefts to her stiff at the top with that coating on them still and she acted like she had never seen that before and didnt think she could work with it. I told her to try getting it wet and soak in conditioner and she didnt really understand and just decided to sew them in like that. Anyway she just bent them around my head and sewed in so Im hoping they get softer after I shampoo? I dont know. I have never dealt with wefts before and thought she would know more about them lol.

I would say that sew ins have just as much natural movement as strand by strand methods. The only differance is instead of a billion little bonds on your head that you have to worry about, its just 3-4 tracks and wefts but you get virtually the same effect and I think the wefts actually are more hidden because its more like a "tiarra" effect with one line going around instead of all those separate attachments.   


Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 7:02pm
Cool! I'm glad you like the tracks! I love my sew in!!

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Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 7:04pm
Yeah its awesome. I told her to go as tight as possible and I guess my scalp is pretty tough now after years of extension wear lol. No pain or anything and it seems really on there! I like the freedon of not having to worry about slipping bonds and is everything level and am I losing one. That just got annoying. A sew in is there for the long haul until you need it redone.


Posted By: tessa111
Date Posted: July 09 2007 at 9:08am
Krisma,  I am soo glad that you love your sew-ins!!  I love mine too and have a re-install tomorrow to have them moved up and think they are so easy and fun!  I have gotten to a point where I wash on the fourth or fifth day and just spritz with water on the bumps from my braid at night and they look great!  So much easier than my own hair.  I am too lazy to flat iron so I have gotten to the point that when I do wash it, I dry my own bangs and get the attached portion dry and then let it air-dry with some Bumble and Bumble Prep and off I go!  I use Chi Silk Infusion to protect the ends and calm any fly away and I love it!!  Glad you are pleased!!


Posted By: JeepGirl
Date Posted: July 09 2007 at 10:49am
MAn all this talk about sew ins.....I really want that done but am having a problem finding someone in the Nashville. Tn area to do them.  Soon as I find someone I'm going to have the sew-in done.
I'm also going to try the Neutrogena Triple Moisture...thx for the tip Amm!
PS.My husband thanks you to Amm for the tip on the After Party leave in stuff.......he LOVES it......and you are the one that told me about it several months ago.


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Current install-Bohyme Bodywave #30 and #14 in the straight hair/ they didn't have the #14 in bodywave, so I mixed them...works great!


Posted By: Carol328
Date Posted: July 10 2007 at 12:32am
 Wow, after hearing so many good reviews on the sew ins Im thinking of maybe giving them a try again.  I use to wear them years ago (and I mean years ago!!) back in the early 80's and never had problems with them.
I am currently (still) wearing the fusion bonds, but like Krimsa said the worry over losing the strands is really a pain. (especially out in public!!)
I recently bought some nice Bohyme hair from Ebonyline in handtied too.
I will have to find somebody to do them though around here.
 
For those of you who have them in now, can you tell me if they're expensive to put in?    I know every place is different but I have no clue at all on what they charge for this since it has been years since I've worn them.
 
Also, Krimsa, can I ask you where you've purchased the Russian hair from if you don't mind?  Im just wondering because I don't see many sites to purchase Russian hair. 
 
And, I got to try that Trader Joe stuff!!  I love that store and shop there all the time.  I never thought to check out their hair products!
Thanks for the tips!Thumbs%20Up


Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: July 10 2007 at 6:05am
Thanks Tessa. Yeah I like the sew in. The only issue I had was the wefts were stiff at the top and she sewed them in like that! So they feel a little bit hard around my head right now. I think normally wefts are kind of soft at the top but these came with like a clear coat on them. I am guessing once I wash them the first couple times they might soften up a bit and I hope that doesnt make them loose. I should have soaked them in conditioner or something overnight probably but I didnt know to do that lol. Well I definitely wont get shedding.


Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: July 10 2007 at 8:26am
Hi Carol, sorry didnt see your post earlier. It depends on the tracks who charges what. She did 3 for me for $100 and trimmed the hair even at the ends, slightly razored it on the sides for blending and did a little bit of styling and showed me some good ways to wear it. All that for $100 I think is VERY fair.

It will vary though and I think it really depends on the stylist, the salon and just what they feel like charging. This lady was working out of her house. She used both thread and little itty bitty rubber bands to make the wefts very secure and in there.

I dont think we are allowed to advertise hair sites here? I dont know. Just do a search for Russian Hair Store USA and it will come up.


Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: July 10 2007 at 12:12pm
Hey Krimsa, I'm so happy to hear that you're enjoying your sew-ins!! I think the stiffness on the weft will lessen over time. I think sew ins are so much easier to maintain. I'm surprised that you asked for it to be as tight as possible!! And you don't feel it!! It always feels tight the first couple of days for me.

JeepGirl, Triple moisture is great! I also love Hello Hydration (not as thick). I've done deep conditionings with the triple moisture. Have you tried Loreal's Nature's Therapy? I really like that too.

Carol, I think you'll love how easy the sew ins are compared to the fusion. It's a different feel though but you get a lot more coverage and volume.


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Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: July 10 2007 at 12:53pm
Thanks Malibu. I just did a little top shampoo today of my natural hair. I might ad that it is so much easier to do that with a sew in because you can clearly tell the division between the top track and your own hair and can just clip it back. I just got a speck of water on the top track and even that made it feel a little softer so it should be fine once its shampooed. It doesnt hurt or anything just if you touched the top of my head it would kind of feel like I had a tiarra under there or something rigid but you cant see it at all. I love the sew ins! I am kicking myself now for all those years of fusion and the money I spent. This whole time I could have been wearin tracks and using nice Russian hair! Live and learn I guess hehe.

I dont know how many of you have ever touched a rabbit but if you have you know how sleek and smooth their fur is, this hair is almost that soft!


Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: July 10 2007 at 1:14pm
Originally posted by tessa111 tessa111 wrote:

I have gotten to a point where I wash on the fourth or fifth day and just spritz with water on the bumps from my braid at night and they look great! 


What do you mean you spritz water on the bumps at night?


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Posted By: Carol328
Date Posted: July 11 2007 at 12:38am
Originally posted by malibu malibu wrote:


Carol, I think you'll love how easy the sew ins are compared to the fusion. It's a different feel though but you get a lot more coverage and volume.
 
 
Thank you Malibu.  I think I would get use to it pretty quickly too.  I remember when I wore them years ago back in the 80's how stiff and big the wefts were but I always felt very secure in wearing them.  Thank goodness though that they have come a long way since then!  The wefts today are so much smaller and natural looking.
 
Thank you Krimsa for the advice too.  I am going to ask my stylist if she does them.
This is such a great board and Im so happy to have found it!!  I use to think that GL's were the only extensions out there but I've learned alot since then and am still learning.


Posted By: sourgirl
Date Posted: July 12 2007 at 4:36pm
When I had GL last year towards the end I noticed the ends were splitting and getting really dried. I got a free sample of fekkai overnight hair repair that you apply on dry hair. And it instantly brought back the luster and shine. When I got the extensions taken out and saw how much damage it did to my hair, I tried everything and nothing made my hair appear healthier. Then I remembered the free sample I got and decided to buy it. When I went to order it it was $195!!!!! I finally went on ebay and got it for $60 which was still way to pricey, but I needed help. Between using that and Ojon hair repair I quickly got my hair back into shape. Any way I went on way too long, but if you come across a free sample or a good deal on ebay Fekkai overnight repair is great on dry extensions, a little goes a long way and if its a humid frizzy hair day, i just use a dab and it keeps my hair shiny and tame all day.


Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: July 12 2007 at 4:51pm
Yeah tracks certainly have a different feel to them than individual bonds. Itís nothing bad though. To me it just feels like a bit of string tied around my head and I donít even notice it anymore really. In fact strand by strand method and all those bonds drove me nuts. I didnít like constantly checking for danglers or loose ones and having to hold the hair when I brushed to keep stress off them. Weaves have a much sturdier connected feel. Thatís the main difference in my opinion but say if wearing a bandana or head band or something like that bothers you, you might be annoyed with tracks. It depends on your sensitivity level to things on your head I would guess.


Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: July 12 2007 at 5:20pm
Krimsa, I totally hear you about the bonds. The sew ins is a whole lot easier!! I thought it would bother me and be bulky, etc. I really just forget they're in.
I did like the feel of bonds though. It felt more natural but I'm used to wefts now.

SourGirl, I'm still unclear as to how your hair got damaged. I would think that if the GL caused damage it would be where the bond is, ya know?

Carol, it shouldn't be so bulky. It sounds like you had too much hair in your braid? hmmmm But yeah, they're very secure. I think you would really like it.


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Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: July 12 2007 at 5:25pm
I think also when getting tracks you have to really go to someone good who knows what they are doing and can work with your particular hair type. The micro wefts are really small and lay totally flat but if the braider takes too much hair like Malibu said, that can cause problems. I think overall, less can go wrong with sew ins but the person doing it needs to be experienced and also some education needs to be given to the client after the install about care and washing and maintenance.


Posted By: sourgirl
Date Posted: July 12 2007 at 6:55pm
Originally posted by malibu malibu wrote:

Krimsa, I totally hear you about the bonds. The sew ins is a whole lot easier!! I thought it would bother me and be bulky, etc. I really just forget they're in.
I did like the feel of bonds though. It felt more natural but I'm used to wefts now.

SourGirl, I'm still unclear as to how your hair got damaged. I would think that if the GL caused damage it would be where the bond is, ya know?

Carol, it shouldn't be so bulky. It sounds like you had too much hair in your braid? hmmmm But yeah, they're very secure. I think you would really like it.
 
My hair got damaged because of a bad install. the bonds were really thick and some of the bonds ended up sticking together making one big clump, she kept telling me I had to get in there and wash them really good, and when I did it matted my hair around and above the bonds.


Posted By: tessa111
Date Posted: July 13 2007 at 12:46am
I just had my russian hair wefts re-positioned Tuesday - four rows and shw applied them a tad more snug this time than they very first time I had them installed because she wanted to be sure that I could handle it and that my hair and scalp would be fine and it was a little uncomfortable, but almost felt good like a good sports deep tissue massage!  I love the wefts and couldn't handle bonds and you do get totally used to them!  I like many others am washing on the fourth day and really deep conditioning with Kerestase intense conditioner and then try my bangs, dry the wefts at the braid and airdry for a fun tossled look and am thrilled with them!!


Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: July 13 2007 at 1:29am
Tessa, four rows!! How are they positioned? It sounds like it's gorgeous! Is you hair straight or wavy?

How do you like the Kerastas? Is it the green line?


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Posted By: TanglesRC
Date Posted: July 13 2007 at 2:06am
ok, may i chime in here with a question-
for the braid wearers,
when your braid is taken out, what is the condition of your hair, is it thinner, is there breakage with the braids and sewing going on, OR is your
just as it was before you started.
thanks
s


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Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: July 13 2007 at 1:00pm
Hey Tangles, my hair is in good shape but it's like that super kinky crimped texture, so who knows if that's bad?? I wouldn't think it's good but I've inspected the hair that shed (from the braid) and there aren't any broken spots. I pull the hair until it snaps and it's reaction is the same as the hair that hasn't been braided.

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Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: July 13 2007 at 1:02pm
Tangles, I have a question for you. Have you tried or heard anything on Kerastas?

Also, I've been meaning to tell you that I bought the Gump leave in spray conditioner from that ebay link you posted. I can't tell if it does anything but it's gotten rave reviews. The gump conditioner has loads of protein so I don't know if I should mess with that, ya know?

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Posted By: sourgirl
Date Posted: July 13 2007 at 1:52pm
I am not sure the type or texture of everyone elses hair, but I considered wefts and was told my hair is very thin and would most likely break. I went for the micro links, I like the look but they are kind of uncomfortable. I just got them in on tuesday so I am going to give it a little time.


Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: July 13 2007 at 3:20pm
Cool sourgirl, hopefully you adjust to them. They usually look way better than they feel and thats the important thing!

I did the first full shampoo on this weave and the hair is just fantastic. Absolutely no change in the feel and I just blow dried my natural hair on top and made sure to dry the tracks. I let most of the length air dry and its just like silk with no styling! I am so pleased with this! I used a cheapo shampoo something cashmere touch, I would need to go look at the bottle but I think its Loreal and in a pink container. I know I should not be using the cheap stuff but no problems at all. I used a speck of better quality conditioner just on the ends.

The wefts softened up quite a bit just from one shampoo so Im no longer concerned about that. They just needed to be soaked and I will know for the next time. Overall weaves are the bomb!


Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: July 13 2007 at 3:51pm
Originally posted by krimsa krimsa wrote:

They usually look way better than they feel and thats the important thing! 


LOLLOLLOL

Krimsa, did you get straight or wavy hair?




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Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: July 13 2007 at 5:59pm
Bone straight, virgin 19-20 inch dark brown. Its straight as hell. I braid it in like 8 braids at night and take it out in the morning and its all ripply and gypsy looking. I am having a ball with this hair lol


Posted By: malibu
Date Posted: July 13 2007 at 7:08pm
It sounds gorgeous Krimsa!!

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Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: July 13 2007 at 7:43pm
Its pretty but I only did 3 wefts. The lady installing it said that wont look thick enough and you need more hair. I said just put it in because I dont want tons of hair and just want it kind of thin and sleek looking and I can always add a 4th weft later. It is really nice and not overly fluffy and I like that it is so close to my natural hair. Its basically always what I have wanted from extensions. Just took me years to find darn it! Im really indebted to all you ladies with the Russian. It just works so well with finer textured hair.


Posted By: BunnyWabbit
Date Posted: July 13 2007 at 8:27pm
Ok so I was going to schedule a consult for a sew-in at a nice salon, but then I found out that I have a friend who can corn row pretty well (and her boyfriends other daughter can do them REALLY well apperently soon as shes back in town) so she  is going to make my track and I'm going to sew-in it myself. I feel confident that I can do the sewing part, but what sort of things should I make sure she does with the braid?

I want to start with one or two tracks - what shape/placement will get the most coverage? Im still a DIY at heart so I will fill in other spots with tiffany twist (which I love btw!)

other than adding some extra braid hair and a little bit of grease for easier braiding, are there any other tips?


Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: July 14 2007 at 9:50am
Good move Bunny. I have seen photos of your extensions and I think a sew in will work good on you as we have kind of similar hair. Malibu is an exper and also MissHoney and Diva are all good to ask about it. I am curious now about this "braiding hair" that was not used on my install I dont think. You might want to get more info on that as well. I have three tracks and she did a very routine placement in her words which is the two levels going around kind of back behind ear area and then the top level is longer and extends further up past my temple. Kind of hard to decribe but that top one being longer is really a good effect to bring the hair up closer around the face and avoid the mullet look if your natural hair is shorer.


Posted By: tessa111
Date Posted: July 14 2007 at 2:54pm
To respond to the Kerestase masqueinstense conditioner - I use it once a week after I have used the Pureology shamppoo and conditioner in the purple bottle and my hair is very soft and looks great.  I srpay Bumble & Beumple Prep on to help with combing the wet hair, but don't really need to, I figure the more protection on the hair the better.  I haven't yet decided if the Kerestase is worth the $


Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: July 14 2007 at 4:54pm
Tessa I agree with the Russian hair I feel like i dont need all of these protective products because its so healthy but its probably best to use them to extend the life. Even though its nice hair it probably does have limits.


Posted By: Carol328
Date Posted: July 15 2007 at 4:30am
Originally posted by krimsa krimsa wrote:

Bone straight, virgin 19-20 inch dark brown. Its straight as hell. I braid it in like 8 braids at night and take it out in the morning and its all ripply
and gypsy looking. I am having a ball with this hair lol
 
 
 Krimsa, It must look so beautiful!!  I love doing the braids at night thing to my hair too because I love the crimp look to it.   Your's must look so pretty!  Im so glad you're happy with it too.Smile


Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: July 15 2007 at 10:57am
LOL, thanks Carol. It does look really nice. I need to get some photos of it but I have to get someone over here to take the back. The braids at night are a good idea anyway i think because its just more comfortable to sleep on anyway and it keeps it all tangle free. I just braid em and then mist water and spray a little bit of hairspray on them, sleep on it like that and walla! Nice ripples in the morning. No styling needed. Its fantastic. And no heat. I just make sure to only get the braids damp and not the tracks. You really want to be careful with a weave and sleeping on wet tracks. A big no no once you get yours in. Doing that repeatedly can cause mildew up in there. Eww.


Posted By: tinker2
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 6:17pm

HI Krisma,

I have only had my fusion in for 4 weeks and I have to take it out. Have worn sewn ins more on than off and I must admit they are easier and much less expensive to have done.

Jeep Girl, I am having the same problem here in southern missouri, I can't find anyone who doesn't use glue with their sew ins. I had the same stylist for over 8 years in Washington State and she never used glue.

My favorite conditoner is ISO Hydration with the teal green cap, love the stuff. And of course Biosilk therapy, which is unbeatable, maybe?

 

 

 



Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: July 17 2007 at 7:43pm
This is going way back to Tangles question about the condition of the hair once a sew in is removed. I dont know yet because this is my first time wearing wefts. I have 3 in now. I am hoping it will be fine when I go for a re-positioning but I am also going at about a month to be on the safe side. Some can go longer. It feels like the weight is very evenly distributed on my scalp. No one area is pulling more and they lay flat. Thats a good sign I think. I only do a full shampoo of everything once a week and I think that helps also. I make sure to always get the tracks very dry. I have heard about weave horror stories with mildew actually developing in the braid. I guess this is possible because its a dark, warm area and if you dont keep it dry, there might be problems. So far so good though and nothing like that has happened. My scalp even seems cleaner than when I wore strand by strand because then I was always afraid to really shampoo because of losing bonds. I will post how it goes when they take it out and how much hair loss I have.


Posted By: krimsa
Date Posted: July 20 2007 at 9:12am
Well I did my second full shampoo today. I just decided fridays would be the day. This Russian hair is completely the same as when it was installed. Shiny, silky, tangle free. The wefts are holding up fine also and still seem snug. I have noticed a little more shedding of my natural hair up top but Im guessing that just has to do with only shampooing once a week so it builds up a little more. No shedding out of the wefts and no loose long hairs.

With coated hair I have worn in the past, I would have been noticing decreased shine and more tangling even by the second shampoo. Thats it! I am only using Russian!



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