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Forum Name: Hair Color
Forum Description: The tricks and tribulations of changing your hair color
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Printed Date: October 02 2025 at 7:53pm


Topic: base color
Posted By: alana1970
Subject: base color
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 8:21am
Hi.  My hair is dark brown a level 2.  i colored it 3 weeks ago a medium golden copper brown and now I want to color it a brownish red.  Here is my question the color I used before had a gold + orange base and it said level 5 on the bottle it was from loreal excellence the professional ones you buy at a beauty supply store.  The color I want to use is from wella color charm 56r cinnamon color but this says level 3 with a red base.  Is it ok to use.  I will test strand of course  but would like to know before i go and buy it. thanks._popupControl();


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Posted By: Susan W
Date Posted: March 18 2008 at 7:38am
 Since you dyed it a brown though, color doesn't lift color, so I would not expect it to come out a lighter shade than what you have without removing the color first.  Test stranding will tell, like you say.




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Posted By: PerfectBrunette
Date Posted: March 19 2008 at 9:42pm
Since you are going darker, level 5 to a level 3, you don't necessarily need to remove the underlying color first. The color underneath may affect the way the new color turns out though so you may want to consider strand testing first.

Posted By: karen s
Date Posted: March 20 2008 at 10:46am
I agree with Susan W, you will need to use a bleach shampoo or a colour remover first.

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karen sanderson

Posted By: PerfectBrunette
Date Posted: March 20 2008 at 12:45pm
Bleach is completely unnecessary. It removes natural pigment faster than artificial pigment. Also, it is damaging. I would never recommend bleach to someone who is going darker. You may want to remove the artificial pigment in your hair before coloring a different color though. This could help prevent color from coming out "muddy". Thing is, if you do this, you'll probably have to choose a lighter shade since color removers tend to make hair grab the next color too well due to increased porosity. I would do a strand test to see if the color removal is even necessary. Usually, it is indicated for going lighter, not darker.

Posted By: karen s
Date Posted: March 20 2008 at 3:57pm
Sorry, but I disagree, using a bleach shampoo is just as effective as colour removers, and as the bleach shampoo is a very visual process, you would not need to leave the bleach shampoo on for more than 5 Min's, whilst emulsifying through the hair, therefor causing minimal damage to the hair, and of course I would also recommend the client go for a shade lighter as any colour removers leave the hair porous, so any colour put on to porous hair the cuticle grabs on any moisture like putting a dry sponge into water.
 
Bleach or colour removers remove the artificial colour first as it is just that artificial, also in the first post the girl has had colour applied before so its not virgin hair.
 
Definitely a strand test first.


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karen sanderson

Posted By: PerfectBrunette
Date Posted: March 20 2008 at 5:29pm
Bleach is very difficult to control (tends to lighten near the scalp faster than the rest of the head). It eats through natural pigment whereas a direct dye solvent color remover simply shrinks the artificial dye molecules only, washing them from the hair, leaving natural pigment intact. Bleach is more damaging than direct dye solvent color removers. I know this from both personal experience and research. 

Posted By: karen s
Date Posted: March 21 2008 at 12:27pm
I do agree with you regarding the hair colour removers shrinking the colour molecules from the hair shaft, but this process usually has to be repeated. I always apply a bleach shampoo to the middle length then the ends of the hair and leave the root area to the very last, it causes little damage as it is a visual process and should only be done up to 5 mins, to get up to 2 levels of lift. I  prefer to use bleach shampoo rather than colour removers as I personally find this gives better results. Maybe you have better colour removers over in the US than we do here in the UK. I have always used this method with my clients with good results and no complaints, and this is only my opion and my experiences.

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karen sanderson


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