Age limit for long hair?
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Topic: Age limit for long hair?
Posted By: DaveDecker
Subject: Age limit for long hair?
Date Posted: May 27 2003 at 6:05pm
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Does anybody here believe that there is a certain (or general) age after which long hair should not be worn? If so, what do you feel that age is? Or, do you feel that there is no age limit? Do you know how other people (in your real life) feel about this issue? If so, have you discussed it with them? Has anybody changed anybody else's mind on the topic? |
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Posted By: turquoise_girl
Date Posted: May 27 2003 at 6:46pm
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Plain and simple: NO age limit. why? because the most important thing is that YOU'RE happy with your hair. ------------- |
Posted By: princessmonica
Date Posted: May 27 2003 at 7:51pm
i'll get back with you the older i get  ------------- http://www.msnusers.com/monicasanders - http://www.msnusers.com/monicasanders |
Posted By: LetGoMommyHair
Date Posted: May 27 2003 at 9:43pm
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Dave, There are so many men and women with gorgeous white long hair...I hope to be one of them eventually! I have plenty of gray right now but do not color it. I think our elders with long white/gray hair look stunning! ------------- LetGo...sweetie...let go of mommy's hair... |
Posted By: grenwich
Date Posted: May 28 2003 at 4:58pm
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I don't think so.... I'm planning on being a grey/white longhair! Gren ------------- 1bCiii between tailbone and classic (43.5inches) |
Posted By: DaveDecker
Date Posted: May 28 2003 at 7:39pm
Of course, I don't feel that there is any age limit to having long hair. I didn't think that anybody here would.  But I have known people who do think that there is a general age limit, so the concept strikes me as preposterous. I think this myth stems from dogma which was perpetuated to ensure that all women were coralled into salons before they became black sheep for life. I'd like to think that the myth is dead but I know I'm talking to the converted here. That's why I asked if anybody here knows any people who still believe the myth.------------- |
Posted By: Karrinne
Date Posted: May 28 2003 at 8:29pm
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My personal answer is NO WAY. However, I have run into myriad numbers of people who say, "I turned X age and HAD to cut my hair" like they thought the hair police would come and get them. A girl younger than me cut her classic length thick brown hair into a bob when she hit early thirties. WHY? "I'm too old for that." Girl at work, older than me, probably 48 or so. Said she felt like it was expected of her to cut her long hair when she hit 40.' I swear it's a social conspiracy headed by the salons!!!!!!!!!  ------------- hair today/hair tomorrow/hair always ??/37/52 See my hair at http://karrinne1960.tripod.com - http://karrinne1960.tripod.com |
Posted By: wittils
Date Posted: May 29 2003 at 1:04am
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I do. As I get older I have a person in my life that insists that I should cut my hair even shorter than it is!! But my kids (who grew up with a mom with long hair and miss it) and my hubby (who insist I grow it out!!!) are all very supportive. My hubby says he wants me to have beautiful long hair, not a frizzy bubble perm when I am old, and somehow that just sounds nicer. I did work with a woman who was 55. She told me that she began growing her hair out five years earlier from a boyish cut (in her words) and it was to her tailbone and silvery white. Absolutely beautiful. My mother was in her sixties and had waist length hair, that story is on another post. She cut it and regretted it soon after. As for me, I hope I acheive my goal. And I do plan on keeping it long. wittils ------------- Precious is the day... it happens only once in a lifetime. |
Posted By: hairalways
Date Posted: May 29 2003 at 5:41am
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My mom, grandma, aunt....I think it's a 50's generation thing. They all think it is what you do when you turn 30. As though turning 30+ means you are too mature to be wasting your time with the silliness of long hair - they think it is something that should be reserved for the very young immature. My Mother in law and my mom always comment on how nice and neat my hair looked when it was short. Again......I think it is herd mentality. I bet if I asked them why they thought this, they would said "that is just the way it is!!" On another note. Last CHristmas eve morning I went jogging in my sister's neighborhood. I forgot to put my hair up and was running with the wind at my back so my hair was in my face. Well, I got to the corner of a major traffic area and was joggong by a gas station. As I passed it and looked over, there was an older woman walking toward me from the gas pump area. She must have been pumping gas and saw my struggle with my hair. I was a little freaked out because she came right at me on the sidewalk. Well, she pulled a red claw clip from her long white/blonde hair and handed it to me. I couldn't tell she had long hair as things happened so quickly, but it was gorgeous and blowing in the wind now with no clip. I was really touched and the rest of my run could not have been better. it was one of the nicest christmas gifts I have ever gotten. So yes - I think long hair is noble as you get older. jacqui ------------- |
Posted By: Lyris
Date Posted: May 29 2003 at 7:21am
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Jacqui that's a lovely story--thanks for sharing it! It is so strange to me how drastically hair lengths change with the environment. I graduated from college in December. On campus, some gals had short hair but most still kept it long like in high school (myself included.) Now I work for a fairly large corporation where I am--no joke--the youngest full-time employee at headquarters. I am 22, and almost everyone else in my department is at least 30. I can only think of five other people in this building of more than 900 employees that have shoulder-length or longer hair. This seems almost foreign to me after going to school for more than a decade surrounded by long hair. For awhile I was contemplating cutting my hair because I'm curious what it's like, but I've decided against that and am letting it grow (aiming for four inches past shoulders.) While it certainly marks me as a youngster in this environment, I embrace that. I like the look of shock on peoples' faces when I tell them I graduated high school four short years ago. Throws 'em for a loop! :-) ------------- Look for beauty, and you will find no intelligence. Look for intelligence and you will find both.Proud member of the Cult of All Soft |
Posted By: princessmonica
Date Posted: May 29 2003 at 1:18pm
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this is just i have realized and see if anyone else agrees. we as society but emphasis on long hair as being ''young''. i don't think until you get older you really learn how to cherish and take care of long hair. when you are younger you want to follow the trends. i'll be 29 on june 2nd. through the years i have put my hair through a lot. i have permed, cut, colored, straighten and teased my hair over the years. don't get me wrong i'm not saying everyone younger doesn't know how to take care of their hair. some of the younger posters than me have taught me ALOT. ------------- http://www.msnusers.com/monicasanders - http://www.msnusers.com/monicasanders |
Posted By: uzma
Date Posted: May 29 2003 at 1:28pm
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There is no age limit to long hair as there is no age limit to being beautiful. Ive stopped listening to the voices that would cut a woman down after her 30th birthday. Like, all you are is something utilitarian for those around you and a projection of their ugliness and negative approach to life. Show me a limit and Ill help you defeat it. Show me one who would define limits and Ill show you a liar and loser. There are no limits. Period. Uzi ------------- Uzi |
Posted By: DaveDecker
Date Posted: May 29 2003 at 6:45pm
It isn't a conspiracy -- it's a "business plan." (ugh). A heinous one at that. Uzi, I like your attitude. If I piece together a bit of what Jacqui and Lyris write, the "50's generation thing" would seem to have rubbed off onto younger generations, judging by the dearth of long hair in Lyris' corporate setting. I wonder about the attitudes of the younger robots, er, bobbed-haired women at your corporation, if they are at least tolerant of others who have long hair, or if they are both spiteful and verbal. Comments? ------------- |
Karrinne wrote:Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: May 29 2003 at 7:30pm
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Hi! This is my first visit to this site and I'm glad to have found this topic. I am 57 years old and my hair is almost waist length. I didn't plan to grow it this long, however. It's been a matter of economics because my hair grows very fast and when it's been short, I've needed a shaping by the end of 3 weeks. It is also very stubbornly straight so I perm due to the tendonitis in my lower right arm limiting consistent usage of shaping during the drying process. I have been complimented by both men and women on my long hair, although I've noticed it's only the women who themselves are confident who compliment me. Both of my great grandmothers had long hair to their dying days well into the 80's, one knotting it at the top of her head, the other in braids (as was the custom in the Native American culture at that time). So NO, I don't believe in an age limit to long hair. Short skirts -- now that's another issue, even though I still wear a size 8!
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Posted By: DaveDecker
Date Posted: May 29 2003 at 8:07pm
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Hi Kathie, Welcome to this site! Hope you will enjoy participating in our community here. Your hair sounds very nice! At 57 with waist-length hair, you are a rare and precious breed. Very interesting comment you make... "I've noticed it's only the women who themselves are confident who compliment me." It makes sense, and it belies the notion that the short-haired-and-direct-hateful-comments-toward-the-long-haired must be confident. Ha. ------------- |
Posted By: Lyris
Date Posted: May 29 2003 at 8:31pm
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Hi Dave! If anyone thinks less of me because of my hair it's entirely behind my back, because I've never seen the slightest sign of it. My boss was just marvelling the other day how "long" my hair is getting (which is ironic, because shoulder-length is the shortest it's been since I was 15.) No one really says much about my hair (or anyone else's, for that matter.) It's just there. I don't think short-haired women envy it because they might assume (correctly, in my case) that longer hair requires more maintenance than a close crop. Not true for everyone but certainly for me--I don't even want to begin calculating what I spend on conditioner yearly. What people do notice, however, is my youth. I was at a charity fundraiser dinner last weekend and this mid-40s lawyer mentioned how my alma mater was once a great force in collegiate basketball "probably right around the time you were born." I asked when that would be. His answer? 1976. I laughed and clapped my hands with glee because that would make me a full five years older than my actual age. So while some people sometimes think being young in a corporate setting only sets you up for degradation and grunt work, it's all in the way you conduct yourself. Show your maturity in decision-making and it won't matter how long your hair is. I will continue to grow my hair because it's unique yet not a hinderance to my career. AND I like being able to wear a ponytail! I consider myself lucky to work with a corporation that values respect whole-heartedly. ------------- Look for beauty, and you will find no intelligence. Look for intelligence and you will find both.Proud member of the Cult of All Soft |
Posted By: princessmonica
Date Posted: May 29 2003 at 8:37pm
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i know this is is kind of off the suject but i think hollywood has made it bad for long hair women. [and men] what i mean is they go get their hair cut people follow them. [hair that is] all of a sudden it's reported short hair is in long hair is ''outdate''. if people follow trends then they go get their hair cut. when celebreties get tired of it short they just go put extensions in. watch a lot of the ones that have gotten a ''new do'' will put extensions or grow it out after summer. note: some people just like their hair short. my mom likes it for her better short. this is just my point of view. ------------- http://www.msnusers.com/monicasanders - http://www.msnusers.com/monicasanders |
Posted By: uzma
Date Posted: May 31 2003 at 5:25am
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Dave You mentioned the bobbed robots of the corporate world..... Well they must have downgraded the software in the corporate androids I work amongst, as I am surrounded by women sporting what I can only describe as "short, back'n'sides with wisps". Just marginally different from the male androids. Aaaaarrrggggg!!!! We recently had some training on body language and learnt about "mirroring" behaviours in order to make others feel comfortable and create a positive impression. Then I looked around me and saw the sameness and blandness of hair-cut and clothing. I guess that class was unnecessary in some respects, huh? There is also the fear of standing out and being an individual at work. Like a big rock being thrown into a pond. You just know that they will pull you out and chuck you elsewhere.... Getting back to the topic, the older I get, the more colleagues and friends seem compelled to tell me that there is something wrong with growing my hair long. They are visibly irritated, annoyed and in some cases, offended. They are not able to mind their own business, keep their insulting opinions to themselves or respect my wishes. I have also been told I shouldn't wear bright colours as I get older!! Even in polite company, my third finger is starting to get a lot of use.  ------------- Uzi |
Posted By: tina m
Date Posted: May 31 2003 at 7:59am
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Why should there be an age limit on long hair? Who makes the rules? I have read about men and women in India who have ankle length hair,-(or even longer!!!)- who are older people who have grown their hair all there life! Each woman should be her own queen, her own leader, her own guru. There should be no limit on how long or short a woman can wear her hair at any age. A woman should have a right to wear a long dress or a short mini-skirt. A woman should have a right to wear much jewelry or no jewelry. A woman should have a right to have many tattoos or no tattoos. A woman should have a right to make love with a man or with a woman. A woman should have a right to have ten kids or no kids. A woman should have the right to work outside of her home or be a housewife. Who makes the rules? Be your own guru!!! ------------- tina |
Posted By: hairalways
Date Posted: May 31 2003 at 8:07am
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Posted By: tina m
Date Posted: May 31 2003 at 8:26am
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I'm not going to debate you Jacqui, your opinion is right for you. Why should it matter to someone else how long or short someone else wears their hair? Last time I checked it isn't illegal for a woman to have hair of ANY length, from floor length to bald or anything in between. What law are people breaking by wearing their hair a certain length. It seems to me a matter of individual choice. Same thing with earrings and noserings, tattoos, long or short dresses, etc. Isn't it just fashion and individual preference? You have to assume that adults ARE ADULTS. We have enough intelligence to be able to determine for ourselves what fashions we feel is best for ourselves. Do we adjust our fashion to circumstances?,- of course, but it should be AN INDIVIDUAL decision. We should be able to, as adults, decide for ourselves which hairstyle we feel best with. I wear nosestuds in each nostril, usually at least two earrings in each ear and have a few tattoos. I also have a relationship with another woman. Does any of that stop me from being a good mother or being a good worker? No it doesn't, and that is what is important. .TO EACH THEIR OWN!!! ------------- tina |
Posted By: hairalways
Date Posted: May 31 2003 at 8:47am
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This might be a bit off topic. When I was right out of college - I cut my hair into a professional, short style as a sign(to myself) of my drive, desire and maturity. I don't regret the move at all as it enabled me to feel the part of professional woman. I had been in grad school for 4 long years. My wardrobe consisted of jeans, sweats and t-shirts for that entire time. My hair was past bsl and had been for a long time. I wanted to shed all that snake skin and move on to the next level of me. I was able to get a job fairly quickly and really think that my "changed look" helped me. I know this probably offends most of you.....I wish it were different. But when you are sitting across from a 60 something Senior Architect, who is probably dying to say "don't you worry your pretty little head about those columns darlin"....you don't want to be thought of as "darlin" or "hon"....you want to be one of the guys. You just want to be noticed for your input . I had to earn my badge as a contributing being in the workplace before I could allow my appearance to be as I wanted it to. Now I wear my hair as I wish. I think that long hair does signify youth....just as yellow and fluffy down defines a baby chick. Anyone want to oppose this thought? I'm up for some good debates! jacqui ------------- |
Posted By: hairalways
Date Posted: May 31 2003 at 8:51am
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Tina - You have obviously never wanted to be trusted with millions of a clients dollars to build a highschool. They aren't too crazy about letting someone with nose studs do that (as of yet) maybe hopefully in the future. You are entitled - we all are - to look as we want to. And clients are entitled to choose who they want to do the work for them. It is a matter of choosing which is more important. jacqui ------------- |
Posted By: princessmonica
Date Posted: May 31 2003 at 12:57pm
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tina and jacqui you both make good points. when you have jobs hair, piercing and tattoos make a difference. i have a cousin who has very long hair. but her hair wasn't the problem. at one job they wanted her nose jewelery out. during work she took it out. she would come over after work and to me it looked odd with out her stud in her nose. she then found another job. although the interview they said nothing about the nose pierced. she had it in. when she got the job they mention her nose. they didn't want it in. she fought that one because it was working at a salon and others had piercing that worked there. she quit when she had her baby. but she had to go back to work because she got a divorce. they didn't have a problem with the nose but her tattoos. so she wears clothes that cover them. as for me i don't work. i have tattoos, some piercing. [navel and ears] when i have to go to my stepdaughters school meeting or other stuff i cover them. ------------- http://www.msnusers.com/monicasanders - http://www.msnusers.com/monicasanders |
Posted By: tina m
Date Posted: May 31 2003 at 5:12pm
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I never said Jacqui that people don't have to compromise on occasion, I know that's life. If I really wanted a certain job where I would need to remove my nosestuds and wear a long sleeved blouse to cover my tattoos on my arms I would if I wanted the job bad enough. Thankfully though nosestuds and tattooing on women are more accepted than in the past and many jobs will allow you to have that style of fashion. My point is that if the fashion you choose doesn't interfer with your work and you work well, why should anyone care if you wear certain jewelry, the length of your hair, tattoos and such things. Have a nice weekend everyone! ------------- tina |
Posted By: tina m
Date Posted: May 31 2003 at 5:19pm
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I understand what you are saying PrincessMonica, it makes sense to me. My attitude is, women should be free to wear our hair the way we want, the jewelry we want, and have tattoos if we want in the workplace as well as at home. Is that a reality in all circumstances? Maybe not, sometimes you have to compromise. But I am only willing to compromise so much, so often. I've got my rights too, and we CAN instigate change for the better at times. We DO have some power, maybe more than we know! !------------- tina |
Posted By: uzma
Date Posted: June 01 2003 at 6:52am
Jacqui wrote:
Long hair signifies different things in different cultures at different times. Baby chicks have yellow fluffy down which turns into feathers when they are fully grown adult ducks. This is nature. There is no such correlation between long hair and youth in human physiology. In fact, to grow hair to the floor means that you have lived a significant number of years. Therefore, if anything, really long hair is an outcome of age not youth. On the work front, there are a lot of illogical rules about appearance and presentability. I manage Ģ120m worth of budgets. If I went to work tomorrow with an eyebrow piercing and my ripped jeans it would be laughed at and frowned on. In the longer run, I may lose my job, not because of any incompetence in performing my role, but because I have disassociated myself from the corporate tribe and their tribal markers. We play a role at work. We play "lets pretend" and "dress up" and adhere to a false hierarchy, moronic values and political gaming. I save my Real Self for the 16 hours of the day that I am not in the zoo. Having said that, I do show my teeth, claws and true colours on occasion............... My corporate-friendly appearance, including hair tied back, "signifies" my compromise to earn a good living. My long hair - when it gets truly long - will "define" my status as a physically mature adult with full-grown hair. Nature's definition will triumph!! (Drat: can't spell today) ------------- Uzi |
Posted By: Unregistered Guest
Date Posted: June 01 2003 at 12:18pm
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This is the problem I had when I had long hair. When I had waist-length hair no one in the workplace took me seriously. They looked at me as immature. Some even refered to me as a "girl". It didn't help that I am Chinese-American and short and petite. So I guess I was like a stereotype, the "oriental doll". Long haired women are seen as being "girly and immature". Long haired men have it even worse, they are considered "airheads" or "grunge guys" or "hippies". Nobody takes long haired people seriously, they are considered flakes. VERY UNFAIR!!! That isn't why I got my haircut, I just wanted a short style. I was tired of long hair and my husband prefers short hair on women and I also wanted to please him so I did cut my hair short for those reasons, but I must admit people with very long hair (or for that matter any unusual hairstyle of any length) just aren't taken seriously. UNFAIR!!! I am a housewife now. I don't have to put up much with the public or the workplace. They say housewives aren't liberated but it has it's advantages ; you don't have to put up with the daily workplace pressures! |
Posted By: tina m
Date Posted: June 01 2003 at 1:58pm
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The trick Julie is to not care what others think. What do they know anyway?!!!! If you know you are a grown up woman and good at your job, what does it matter what others think? As far as being called a "girl" when you are over 18 and a woman, I wouldn't tolerate that, I would say something like, "Excuse me, I'm a woman not a girl". -(unless it is said in the spirit of fun)-. No woman should be refered to as a "girl", regardless if she has long hair or not. You have a right in ANY workplace to get at least some of respect. You mentioned that you are petite and Asian, ... well I'm small and petite too and a natural blonde, and yes..., unfortunately small women are sometimes looked at as "girls" too -(don't you hate that!!!!!)-... When I wore my hair long I often got the "Hey there Blondie" routine from guys , even walking down the street. I didn't much care for it and I always carried a can of MACE just in case ..... Also some people think blondes are dumb. -(Who was the jerk who invented the idea that blondes are dumb? No basis in fact at all !)- All of the stereotypes about women and their hair!.. jeez ! I don't worry too much about what others think, like I said before I will compromise but only to a degree. I may be petite that doesn't mean you can push me around. No sireeee! ------------- tina |
Posted By: princessmonica
Date Posted: June 01 2003 at 2:59pm
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i know this has nothing to do with hair but i'm also petite too. i'm only 4'11. the women in my family all are short. we are italian. tomorrow i'll be 29 and i still get ''what high school do you go to?'' i politely say i'm not in school i'm a housewife. ------------- http://www.msnusers.com/monicasanders - http://www.msnusers.com/monicasanders |
Posted By: Jennifer
Date Posted: June 01 2003 at 11:57pm
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Jacqui, I agree completely with you! Can you imagine the absolutely gorgeous Katherine Hepburn with one of those horrid little buzzcuts that I've seen on elderly women?! What I do think is unattractive is when long hair is not properly styled or kept healthy. Scraggly ends are unattractive on any length of hair. But, an elderly lady with an elegant little bun with gentle, wisps of hair kissing her cheeks is the epitome of graceful aging to me. Also, on the rare times I've seen long, almost completely white hair on elderly women, I have been pleasantly surprised at how feminine they looked. Of course, femininity is not just reserved for younger women! But I think it can be a bit harder to achieve as one ages. Having beautiful long hair only adds to the beauty of a woman, in my opinion (keeping in mind that it is healthy and styled well -- pigtails high on the head for an 80-year-old is not quite going to do it for me....!) ------------- |
Posted By: Jennifer
Date Posted: June 02 2003 at 12:01am
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Julie, you said, "They say housewives aren't liberated" Isn't liberation about doing what YOU want to do? I'm afraid feminism has gotten real negative lately. It's more about what "feminists" think you should do instead of what you think you should do. ------------- |
Posted By: TKDKix
Date Posted: August 03 2003 at 11:40am
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I have been a short-haired girl all my life, and I am facing a LOT of resistance from my mom and others about the fact that I am growing my hair out. (it is only at shoulder-length right now) They keep saying, "you looked so cute with your hair short...why grow it out?" My answer-"because I want to dang it, so shut up!" BTW, I am 33 yrs old, which I think, means that I am supposedly "too old" for long hair...hogwash! There is a woman at work who comments about women she sees with long hair- "she has no business having hair that long at her age!" This just irritates me...what business does she or anyone else have in determining to what length another woman should grow her hair? I don't understand this long=girlish philosophy. I come to this board to mainly "lurk" and get some support from others who are invested in their tresses. Whenever I am tempted to cut my hair because it won't behave or because it's got funky layers, I visit these boards and my resolve is renewed! ------------- Today not possible, tomorrow possible! |
Posted By: DaveDecker
Date Posted: August 03 2003 at 12:09pm
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Hi TKDKix! I hear you... I sympathize with you... you are old enough to decide to ignore the opinions of your naysayers, and young enough to wear long hair. Young enough? How young is that? Still alive! Possible responses to your nasty detractors: Nasty1: "you looked so cute with your hair short...why grow it out?" (1) You: "you'd look so cute with long hair... why keep it short?" (2) You: "you seemed so nice with your mouth closed... why open it up?" Nasty2: "she has no business having hair that long at her age!" (1) You: "you have no business telling other people how to wear their hair!" (2) You: "you have no business having hair that short at your age!" Of course that'll flabbergast her because she just take for granted the self-righteousness of her position, I doubt she'll know how to respond. We all support your long hair endeavor. Hang in there and don't let anybody deter you!  ------------- |
Posted By: Benji the Sausage
Date Posted: August 03 2003 at 5:26pm
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well ive never been 30 before. or 16 for that matter, but I thought it was intersting how all of the petite women with long hair werent taken seriously and thought of as young and girlie. I'm 15 and 5'9. When I was 13 I was 5'7 or 5'8 with short hair that went from red to highlighted, and people often asked me where I went to college. People still assume i'm older. I've been asked to clubs before when I walk around the beach and when I tell guys my age they're all "OH MY GOD I'm sorry I thought you were at LEAST 18." And walk away. I guess I might look older, but I dont think I do. I think i look 15, just bigger. so does my family. its weird how people judge others maturity when they KNOW a persons age (like at work) by their hair and their size. as for hair... I look ridiculous with short hair. And I looklike my mother, who has short hair at 43 because she lost it to chemo and is growing it long again, and she looks MUCH better with long hair. so I dont plan to cut it short... ever. again. but I honestly cant say if I'll still even LIKE long hair when im 30. ------------- BSL/Blonde/Chemically Treated (abused) 1b/cMii I swear by Redken Extreme and Shea Butter. |
Posted By: duke
Date Posted: August 06 2003 at 9:33am
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A lot of interesting comments here! I too think that the idea of having to cut your hair at a certain age is dumb. Your hair grows on your head and you shouldn't have to cut it if you don't want. And tastes differ - some people like how they or others look with long hair, others don't. One cannot make a hard and fast rule about what looks good. I see nothing unsightly about an older person having long hair - and it can be put into a bun anyway. But as some of you (like Uzma and Lyris) pointed out, there are many of those who think that way. I think this attitude is due to several things: 1) stylists dispensing advice: "at your age you should wear your hair short". Down with that! They can unfortuately be expected to say this (and apparently often do), as doing a major makeover can be more fun for the stylist, and cost more/require more often maintenance than a simple trim of long hair. 2) male-female customs: some women may keep their hair long, knowing that many men love long hair. But once they secure a man and get married, they may make practicality or indulging in change a priority, rather than being as attractive to him. 3) history: in the Victorian era, society became very conservative and while virtually all women wore long hair, they started wearing it up in almost all situations, so as not to show it off to men. Hair worn down became a symbol of either being an innocent little girl or of "letting your hair down" - we still use the cliche - "lightening up". In the 1920s, women started cutting their hair and bobs were far more common than long hair. The fashionable styles of the 1930s were longer but typically styled in complex curls. The idea of little girls' hair being simpler and different from older womens' seems to have developed at about this time. Anyway, let us throw off the shackles of conformity ------------- |
Posted By: DaveDecker
Date Posted: August 06 2003 at 9:31pm
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Hi Duke, Nice to see you posting here. Thank you for sharing your insights on the subject. I generally agree with you. ------------- |
Posted By: AnnaJeanLee
Date Posted: August 07 2003 at 6:09pm
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I to think that an age limit on long hair is silly. I've got to tell you guys a story about me. First I am 19, I'll be 20 in Sept. Second I'm a business adminstration student. There are fourteen other women in my class every one of them has short hair except me and two other women. I usually wear my hair up in a claw clip but one day I decided to let it down and let it breath. Okay I know hair doesn't breath but you all know what I mean. Anyway I was going to the break room and just I was about to enter one of the ladies from my class said to another of my classmates. "Anna will never make it in the business world. She's unprofessional and her hair needs to be cut." Well I walked in the break room. I held my head high and started swinging my hair gently. Just enough to give it some movement. Then I said "I didn't know you felt that way ... about my hair but if I had hair like yours I would be talking about SOMEONE ELSE'S hair too." Name withheld to protect the stupid. Her hair is very dry and extremely frazzled. It looks like it has been dyed one time too many. People need to get off the cut your hair kick. ------------- Anna :P |
Posted By: DaveDecker
Date Posted: August 07 2003 at 10:02pm
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Hello Anna Jean Lee, So you are a collegian, huh? A business student, no less? That's great! I fondly remember my days as a student in college, studying engineering and business. Those were the days, however, when young women interested in pursuing careers in business were counseled by the authors of some wretched book (dress for success, or some such title) promoted the notion that in order to be taken seriously in the then-male-dominated workplace, women must adapt and make like chameleons, shedding vestiges of their womanly appearance. This advice manifested itself prescriptively as "cut the hair short, wear business suits with shoulder-pads to lend a look of authority, etc." blah blah blah. I have been working in the world of professional office environments for nearly 20 years now (has it really been that long already?!) and from all of the knowledge, experience and wisdom I've gained and gleaned through those 2 decades, have come to a resolutely firm conclusion regarding those previously-described prescriptive notions for women in business. It's all a bunch of baloney. I will tell you what I believe are the secrets to success in the business world. (1) endeavor to do your job to the best of your abilities. (2) work hard, smart, diligently, and relentlessly. (3) never be afraid to say "I don't know." Follow-up with "I'd love to learn." And then learn. (4) Focus on why you are in the employ of another. Do not become distracted with an excessive amount of personal (real life) issues while at work. (5) Be honest and fair in your interactions with others, and treat others with respect (this can be difficult at times -- fight the temptation). (6) Learn to accept fair criticism of your work efforts from your superiors. (7) Learn how to determine priorities, and address the most important priorities first. (8) When things go wrong -- and they will -- don't give up; just keep trying. Well, I'm sure I could add many more "secrets of success" to the list; the point is that none of it has to do with the length of one's hair! I have had and had (what I consider to be, anyway) a good career and a good job (respectively), and I am a man whose hair is to his knees. If I can simultaneously have these things and long hair, then anybody can do it. And I believe that the people I work for and with perceive me not as "Dave that guy who looks inappropriate for the workplace" but rather as "Dave that guy who may look a bit unusual but is a 'good' guy." Some of you might say I am fooling myself, but I know how others interact with me now and I know how they interacted with me when I had very short hair, and do you know what? It wasn't any different (and certainly no better) with short hair. Because the bottom line is that professionalism has everything to do with what one says and what one does and has absolutely nothing to do with what one looks like, and all those who would have you believe that professionalism is defined by your appearance not only do not speak the truth, but they do not have your best interests in mind. So, I can say with complete certainty that your classmates who are convinced that long hair is unprofessional have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. It is sad and unfortunate that the dogma they espouse is still in wide circulation; nevertheless, the fact that it is widely believed does not prove it as an infallible truth. Remember, at one time, people believed the world was flat. And they were wrong. So too are those, such as your classmates, who think that professionalism is gained when hair is lost. In fact, in my estimation, the contrary is true. When young women approaching college graduation cut their hair short in an attempt to appear to be more "professional," it tells me that they are so lacking in confidence with their honest sense of self that they have, unwittingly and ironically, actually displayed their lack of self-confidence. They perceive the need for a haircut as a crutch for a measure of credibility. A flimsy crutch, at that. On the other hand, those who are more self-confident believe in themselves and their abilities to impress those with whom they interview, and don't feel obliged to sell themselves short. So the next time your classmates try to make you feel badly about wearing your hair long, just smile with pity on them because, in their weakness, they felt compelled to succumb to a misguided fallacy, while you remained strong and true to yourself. ------------- |
Posted By: Vineman
Date Posted: August 10 2003 at 11:06am
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My hair is getting easier to manage as it grows out, as it's all curly and wavy. Straight hairi s much easier to manage shorter, but obviously when you get near waist length it's going to be hard no matter what. Since I am young people do tell me it's just a "phase" and a lot of people have long hair, but I've had it for longer! It just grows very slow and my Dad made me cut it once, he did it himself and he promised he wouldn't take much length off and he did. |
Posted By: Vineman
Date Posted: August 10 2003 at 11:12am
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Sorry hairalways but that's called "selling out", I remember one girl came on this board before freaking out ecause of what she did to her hair, you're lucky that you liked it. Ultimately business means nothing and money means nothing unless you're happy enough to use it. Most the guys I know with long hair have cut it short - mainly because places won't hire them. This is discrimination almost on a par with racism, and it disgusts me. |
Posted By: Kintaro
Date Posted: August 10 2003 at 1:55pm
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Andf remember, if you do get to use a "new professional style" (i.e. mega-crop , either sex) , the chances that you even have a job for a year now are not even that high. I wouldn't scrifice 3 years of my life for a job that isn't going to last even one. ------------- I hate all of the following and lots more : Fundamentalists, racists, sexists, fascists, ageists (people saying seniors = senile , kids = stupid , 18 = immature or a combo of them), and bigots for causes yet to receive their own designation. |
Posted By: hairalways
Date Posted: August 12 2003 at 5:41am
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You can call it selling out....or you can call it a very strong commitment to focus on my profession and not on my own vanity. I will say something that may offend some here(if so I am sincere in my apologies). IT is just hair!! It is only selling out (imo) if I actually CARED about having long hair.....I did not care at the time about having long hair....on the contrary - as I stated before, I was looking forward to "shedding my skin" of college identity. I am a big believer in first impressions in the professional world. I don't consider myself to be a sellout...Now, In my profession (architecture) to design something that does not meet my level of integrity and beauty...that IS a sellout. I guess we all have our limits. I think I have decided that the long hair board may not be for me....I am finding a lot of criticism and some are becoming a bit too militant for my taste. Take care to those who give a lot of love and support. jacqui ------------- |
Posted By: enfys
Date Posted: August 12 2003 at 4:19pm
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*shyly posts first reply* I don't know if it's because I'm so into art, and prefer to be with arty people than non-arty people, but I noticed that in work many customers have long hair, some with very long hair, regardless of age. I have a Saturday job in an art & craft shop. None of the staff have short hair, regardless of gender, except for the owner (who is eighty and nearly bald). His wife has grey hair that is amost waist length which I think is great. I still have the longest hair in work (32") but have only recieved positive comments and curiosity. If one more person asks me if I'm ever going to cut it.... ------------- http://www.myspace.com/waltzin_with_the_open_sea - http://www.myspace.com/waltzin_with_the_open_sea Ah-ha, a place I can soon add hair pics...once I do some |
Posted By: DaveDecker
Date Posted: August 13 2003 at 7:26pm
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Hi Jacqui, The people who post here are welcome to share their opinions. There are no requirements that a consensus opinion be formed, or that all opinions must align to be able to participate here. What I'm suggesting is that if you disagree with the opinions of others here, feel free to voice your own opinion, so that everybody who reads this board can compare and contrast the viewpoints expressed. Of course, you are welcome to stay if you wish (I hope you do), and you are also welcome to wander elsewhere. Whatever you wish. I'd like to otherwise comment on your post. In my opinion, I don't believe that maintaining "a very strong commitment to focus on my profession" is necessarily incompatible with pursuing your own "vanity," or preferred hair length and style. As I've said before, I believe professionalism is encapsulated within the things that you think, do (actions) and say. Similarly (but not identically) to you, "I am a big believer in first impressions in the professional world." What do I see or "look" for when I meet people for the first time? Their professionalism, as I define it. Not necessarily the slickest suit, which (depending on how they act) might lead me to feel that they depend on the clothes purely to impress me since otherwise they haven't. No, I am more concerned with their attitude and behavior, what they say and do... the quality of our interaction. Has it been mutually satisfactory and productive? The clothes -- and hair -- have nothing to do with the quality of the exchange, or the degree of respect I accord the other person. However, I do wholeheartedly agree with you, saying "In my profession (architecture) to design something that does not meet my level of integrity and beauty...that IS a sellout." Based on my previous paragraph, I am sure you can see why I agree with you. I don't wear my hair to suit the tastes and whims of others in the professional world. Obviously. And if anybody in the professional world dared to treat me with professional disrespect because of my hair, I would view them as an idiot who doesn't have their priorities straight. It's okay for a person to dislike the way another looks, but it is an entirely different matter to express it. THAT would be unprofessional. ------------- |
Posted By: hairalways
Date Posted: August 14 2003 at 5:16am
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Dave - I have to keep it short as I need to get going this morning. But don't think I am being "short" by doing so. i agree with all of the points that you made. And yes, various opinions are what make any conversation stimulating. However, I think that Vineman judging me without ever having met me or spoken to me is as bad as me, or anyone else judging him because of the length of his hair. In other posts, I have also seen short hair persons in the work place referred to as robots or drones...well it seems that some here are judging people by their hair and the fact that it is not long. Is that not as wrong as being persecuted because you have long hair? I am here for support, and I would never try to make someone feel bad because they have short hair or because they wanted short hair, for whatever reason. if that is permitted on this board, then cool.... I just thought I would let you know that i don't agree with it. jacqui ------------- |
Posted By: Erinlynn
Date Posted: August 14 2003 at 12:12pm
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jacqui Please stay. Not everyone here feels the shorties are drones etc...it their personal taste. I may complain when other critisized my long hair but Im not saying they are wrong to have short hair or to have an opinion about it. Anyways, not all of us are militant longies... Please stay...and again, i love your picture/drawing...did you do it? do you have a larger version online anywhere? Or any other artwork? --Erinlynn ------------- |
Posted By: Erinlynn
Date Posted: August 14 2003 at 12:18pm
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jacqui, i loved your christmas gift story...absolutely loved it. I want to be a longed haired grandma like her...no short frizzes for me =) Not that its bad but i always loved long hair on older women. Ironicaly though I dont like long hair on kids younger than 12. For some reason I think just past the shoulders is as long as they should keep it....but thats just my view. Maybe its becasue they play so rough...maybe becasue most look dirty (not all)...maybe its because when they get older and cut it they say "when i was 7 I had hair as long as yours" Um...I doubt that. I dont think they appreciate lenght like that as much. ------------- |
Posted By: Viktoria
Date Posted: August 14 2003 at 6:01pm
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I am following this discussion with interest. It is obviously creating a lot of emotion. Of course, non of us, regardless of how we like to look, want to be judged by our appearances. But the outside does say something, and what people "hear" when they see us isnīt necessarily the same thing. I think it is much a question of maturity. To be secure enough to trust that peopleīs opinion of me will be favorable (since I am such a nice person), and if not (because I break some kind of dresscode, or they are jealous), then my opinion of *me* will not be affected by that. I would never, five years ago, have been able to quit my frequent hairdressingappointments and still feel good about myself. Viktoria PS When I was in high school, I had a friend who, when she saw a long haired girl, would grab me by the arm and whisper "Look at her! Letīs hate her!" That was a compliment from the heart, although the expression perhaps rude... ------------- The more you complain, the longer God lets you live. |
Posted By: enfys
Date Posted: August 14 2003 at 6:18pm
That is so true, Viktoria. I don't think that your age or any other factor should have to determine how long your hair can be, as long as you feel happy with yourself. If that means that by cutting your hair for a job interview or when you reach a certain age then so be it. People must choose for themselves. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/waltzin_with_the_open_sea - http://www.myspace.com/waltzin_with_the_open_sea Ah-ha, a place I can soon add hair pics...once I do some |
Posted By: DaveDecker
Date Posted: August 14 2003 at 8:45pm
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Hi Jacqui, Vineman is entitled to his opinion of what you tell us that you do. You are more than welcome to disagree, and to tell him so. No matter what he thinks, you do not have to change your mind. Although his assessment may have been a bit harsh, I don't see what he wrote as constituting a "personal attack." Therefore, I did not see the need to drag out my 'moderator's stick' and rap any knuckles. As for those other posts in which the writer states their opinion that those in the workplace who wear short hair are "drones" or "robots," again, the writer is entitled to his/her opinion. It doesn't mean that it is correct. Silence from anybody else does not imply agreement. My opinion on the matter is that people should wear their hair the way they want it to be. If someone likes their hair, short, then they should feel free to wear their hair short. Likewise, if a person prefers their hair to be long, they should feel free to wear their hair long. Pressures (implied or stated) in workplace environments to cut long hair short are, IMO, inappropriate. Those who prefer long hair but cut their hair short for what they feel are the expectations of the workplace have made a choice. One they are not altogether happy about, but presumably it is one in which they feel they have chosen "the lesser of two evils." It may be easy for some to describe those who make that choice as a sell-out, but it isn't terribly accurate to make a blanket statement. For one thing, there is the degree of importance individuals place on having the hair length they prefer, and as with many things, the degree of preference for long hair may well span the spectrum from "love it and gotta have it" to "hate it and can't stand it." With a variety of "shades" inbetween. So a long-haired person who has but a slight preference for long hair and perceives that a job that is very badly wanted and (perceived as being) easier to land with short hair will probably cut their hair short. Could this person be fairly described as a "sell-out?" I don't think so. The question of whether or not someone is a "sell-out" (in this regard) may also be affected by the degree to which the perceived "need" for short hair is real. Into the "equation" goes assessments of this "need" for short hair. This assessment may be accurate, or it may be flawed. Some people might think that a man who has a job (like the one I have) with a high-profile company (like the one for which I work) would absolutely have to have (!) short hair. But my existence there is indisputable proof that such a belief is false. I would guess that those who describe long-haired people who cut their hair short for the workplace as "sell-outs" are actually expressing their lament that people feel pressured to cut their long hair short for the workplace, especially given that it may in truth not actually help advance their career prospects. I guess, as with all things, expressing one's opinion with tact makes a world of difference in how it is taken. That said, I hope you stick around, Jacqui. ------------- |
Posted By: DaveDecker
Date Posted: August 14 2003 at 9:02pm
Hi Erinlynn, I've seen plenty of young girls with long and very long hair and I never ever saw one who seemed to dislike having it that way. On the contrary, they either seemed to enjoy it being long, or they seemed mostly unaware of it being long. I've seen long-haired little girls who were "tomboys" who just didn't seem to notice or care that their hair got mussed by their activities. And I think that is a healthy attitude. It seems to me that quite a few adult women are overly concerned about upsetting others by having "outlandish" long hair (as if pleasing everybody were possible) and choose a "neutral"-looking (i.e. short) hairstyle. Some things learned in adolescence do not help people grow to become empowered. ------------- |
Posted By: DaveDecker
Date Posted: August 14 2003 at 9:15pm
Hi Viktoria, welcome!
We never want to be judged negatively. I would imagine that individually we wouldn't mind preferable prejudice, though.
There are aspects of our appearance which are "discretionary," and those which are a given. People make false assumptions about both, perhaps less so to "discretionary" appearance factors. Although people do still sometimes ask me if I am in a rock band. (rolls eyes)
Glad to hear you broke the cycle and feel good about that. I agree with you that maturity is critical. However, I do not think less of myself if/when others tell me that they dislike my hair. (Ironically, put-downs may actually build me -- not that I need it).
Hmm... yes, it is acknowledgement of the beauty of her long hair. I find it sad that your friend reacted that way. Was she physically incapable of growing her own hair long? ------------- |
Posted By: Erinlynn
Date Posted: August 15 2003 at 6:40am
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Dave, Yes the majority of long haired little girls dont seem to care...but that was part of my point. If I were a mother I would become frustrated about keeping thier hair tidy because they dont care as much. Now if a kid does want long hair and takes reasonable care of it (for a kid). Its a different story. Also, remeber that long to me mean waist lenght or longer so Im not talking about kids how have even lower back lenght hair...just the longer than that hair. Maybe I just saw my cousin and friends kids with really long hair and how they didnt particulary care that it was long (moms choice) and didnt take care of it. Mom was always trying to get them to come over so she could tie it back or brush it and they simply wanted nothing to do with that! My parents friends male childeren had long hair untill they were in late highschool...Ive nothing against guys with long hair. Like I said before I prefer it. But these boys were mistaken for girls all the time. Ones name was even Casey which could be a girls name. I guess its true that when your very young you dont have a "gender" look yet. Which doesnt mean you have to dress like your gender, but a boy with long hair will be teased, as will a girl with very short hair at this age. For I while I was that very short haired girl. However, these boys took good care hair of their hair and always looked nice. LOL! Even if the style itself was soooo outdated (think that 70s show)! They were very cute really, but everyone made fun of them for looking like girls. My cousins were particularly mean. My cousins were mean about everyone. My sister was teased about being a bit chubby (not een that much). Random people they saw on the street wer critisized. Maybe it comes from livieng in a family of 6 girls Anyways as for the tow boys family. Dad has long hair and it suits him well. Mom has long hair (ive always admired her locks and her look...very earthy). But the parents are kindof still in the 70's...and a bit of the 60's. They are really the nicest people though. ------------- |
Posted By: dianefromcanada
Date Posted: August 16 2003 at 12:01pm
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Maybe because we are so much a multi cultural society here we seem to pay more attention to the clothes we wear at work and not if someone has long hair or not. I do find that people who do have long hair at work tend to pull it back in buns etc which comes across as very classy looking. Personally I have had many diffirent careers in life and never once been told to cut my hair and in fact been invited a few times to model because I have long hair. The other day my sister bought this very nice rose ponytail holder which is from New York and the stylist that sold the item said that people are growing their hair. Yesterday I was at another boutique and been told the same that people are asking for large and small barrettes. Two my stylist in life have very long hair. ONe is in another province and her hair reaches her ankles and the other one is here and she grows and cuts her hair once in a while. Being professional has nothing to do with the lenght of hair, it has everything to do with conduct. ------------- dianefromcanada |
Posted By: Laine1998
Date Posted: August 16 2003 at 4:00pm
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Hair always, I have to somewhat agree with you on "shedding your skin." There are many jobs out there that are on the conservative side, and it just makes things easier to fit into the "mold" persay, when trying to get a job. Once the job is landed and everythign is good, than slowly subtle changes can be made to break away from the "mold!" I myself am an Accounting Major, I'm only 14 classes away from my bachelors (YEA!!!.) Well accountants are very conservative. Many didn't want to even switch to computer based software, much less anything else!!! I personally am not into the dress clothes or anything else, so I will be in for some changes when it comes time for me to get an accounting job. I doubt I will cut my hair, but major changes to my appearance will have to happen. I do hope that you decide to stick around on the board, I always enjoy your posts. ------------- |
Posted By: Beatnik Guy
Date Posted: August 16 2003 at 8:52pm
Fear not, Dave....you're not the only one who gets that. In Tangier a couple of years ago I would have said yes, if I knew it would not have led to much more conversation (and an attempt to sell me assorted items). LOL. Chris ------------- |
Posted By: Viktoria
Date Posted: August 17 2003 at 10:05am
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[QUOTE=DaveDecker]
"We never want to be judged negatively. I would imagine that individually we wouldn't mind preferable prejudice, though." Hi Dave! Iīm not sure I follow you here. Do you mean that you want people to think "Oh, he has long hair, he must be interesting/have integrity/be entertaining"? I would imagine you do get that, a lot. [QUOTE] "There are aspects of our appearance which are "discretionary," and those which are a given. People make false assumptions about both, perhaps less so to "discretionary" appearance factors. Although people do still sometimes ask me if I am in a rock band. (rolls eyes)" Do you mean that there isnīt really that much I can do about the way people will judge me, according to their respecive predjudices? Like, to antisemites, my jewish-looking nose will always get in the way of long hair or a business suit? [QUOTE] "I agree with you that maturity is critical. However, I do not think less of myself if/when others tell me that they dislike my hair. (Ironically, put-downs may actually build me -- not that I need it)." Right, and that is because I presume you are a mature, healthily self-confident person. I donīt know if I can say that put-downs build me, or a lot of people I know. Itīll take me a bit more to get there, I think [QUOTE] "Hmm... yes, it is acknowledgement of the beauty of her long hair. I find it sad that your friend reacted that way. Was she physically incapable of growing her own hair long?" As a matter of fact, yes. I would imagine she thought "if I only had long hair, I would be beautiful too". ------------- The more you complain, the longer God lets you live. |
Posted By: Lady Godiva
Date Posted: August 17 2003 at 9:25pm
I've been enjoying this discussion, too. Regarding the snipped quote, sometimes it's nice when your appearance says "good" things about you. I'll never forget one time several years ago, I was participating in a series of theology classes at my church. Out of the blue in one class, the senior minister, who ran the series, gestured to me to make a point. He had been discussing patience and endurance as positive character qualities, and he noted aloud to the large gathering in the room that with my long hair, I surely must fully understand what both words mean, as hair such as I had (have) is evidence of long-term dedication and the ability to persevere. I was so touched, as I'd never reflected upon my hair as such, and his recognition of my long hair as a marker of patience and endurance was remarkable to me, because he is nearly bald. I loved the delightful irony, not that bald individuals can't comprehend those virtues, but just the hair angle, as I don't believe he ever had long hair. So often in life, people who have never had long hair have no clue how much effort it requires, and this goes even more for super long hair. Jennifer Eve ------------- Avatar: Lady Godiva by John Collier, 1898 1a F iii hair type 74" to the floor |
Posted By: hairalways
Date Posted: August 20 2003 at 5:24am
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Erinlynn and Laine, I am so touched by both of your posts! I didn't know anyone cared really as I am not a consistent poster, only when I can gat on here. You are both the sweetest and I do enjoy reading your posts. Laine, I hope you are able to achieve the look of professionalism you want for your new career. Congrats on almost being complete! Erinlynn - I am guessing your hair has probably grown an inch or two already huh? I saw a beautiful belly dancer when i was on vacation last week in Savannah, Georgia and thought of you. it really is a wonderful art form. Thanks to you both for you comments. Dave - I agree with everything you said and am respectful of the fact that we all have our different opinions - I never in any of my posts asked anyone to stop being themselves or to stop saying what they wanted - au contraire, I would rather leave the board than ask anyone to change. But I guess i can hang out. Jacqui ------------- |
Posted By: hairalways
Date Posted: August 21 2003 at 4:26am
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Oh yeah, and the lady in my avatar comes from a pre-raphaelyte painting. I sketched during a little art class I was giving my sons and nephew this summer. After we learn about a particular style or movement in art, we get to try and draw, paint or mold anexample, either by original design or copy. She was a 5 minute sketch, but I loved her flowing hair with the flowers woven into it like lace. Thanks. jacqui ------------- |
Posted By: Kateyez37
Date Posted: August 21 2003 at 2:47pm
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I'm 37, and am just now starting to grow my hair out. I plan on having waist-long hair when I'm 40+. :) ------------- |
Posted By: Laine1998
Date Posted: August 22 2003 at 1:12pm
Yea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ------------- |
Posted By: Erinlynn
Date Posted: August 25 2003 at 11:51am
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Jacqui, Im glad youve not gone away =) And thanks for the explaination of your drawing =) My hair is about .75 inches longer than when i first measured it...so .75 inches per month??? It will be longer soon enough I think...but yesterday i met a girl with hair just a bit shorter than mine was...but her hair was sooo thick and sooo dark...made me miss my long long hair =( --Erin ------------- |
Posted By: Viktoria
Date Posted: August 25 2003 at 6:39pm
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Lady Godiva - I enjoyed your story. Your ministers reflection was kind and insightful. Some people only look at others for faults. |
Posted By: DaveDecker
Date Posted: August 25 2003 at 7:49pm
Hi Jacqui, I'm glad you decided to continue to "hang out" here. I would rather nobody feel compelled to change or to leave. Thank you for telling us how you derived your avatar. I like it. Creative. Much more so than my "borrowed" avatar. hmm.. I was thinking of replacing it with another "borrowed" image... maybe someday I'll put in something a bit more unique and creative. Kateyez37, I like that you also have an illustration for your avatar. I wish you well on your goals! (I'm sure you'll make it!) Lady Godiva, that is a great story! Not only was your minister's story perfectly told, I'm convinced he's a long hair fan. ------------- |