QuoteReplyTopic: RemyIndianhair company Posted: March 03 2006 at 11:06am
I followed a link to this site and was surprised to find the infamous "Valencia" works there and is the "fusion expert".....????? Interesting..... How many identities can a person have?
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Valencia is one of our customers and a friend to my wife. She does not work for us. It is my wife's company and she does not do hair. We import and sell hair from India. All info is available on the website.
Currently my wife, Camille, and I are on vacation in OH. We live and work in SC.
Valencia lives and works near the DC area.
You are more than welcome to check us out. My wife has pictures over on a fotki.com site. There is a link in our forums page that you are more than welcome to check out.
I'm the one who works on the website but I'm no webdesigner so I'm learning how to work in flash. The next big update to the site will have more pictures of the hair but I'm pretty busy with school, work and family at the same time =)
Thank you for your time.
Phil
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Your site says "Valencia" she does all your pre-tipping exclusively for a fee for the hair you sell, and she fields all questions on your board...I assumed that meant wshe worked with you...
I understand that you did not see her havoc she caused on this board but please understand my concern when seeing her name surface again....we don't want anything to do with internet trolls and "know it alls" like Valencia...
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Well said Aphrodite, ive only seen the tilte of this topic and did not open it O.o but nice observation^^ lets just hope there be no more drama:) Bless all of you!<3
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You know I've been reading the posts regarding "Valencia Gate", and I wanted to interject a few words here.. I came to these forums (Hair Boutique and Black Hair Forum) because I was researching remy hair vendors, and was looking for information feedback, etc.. While a lot of the information on these forums has been very helpful, unfortunately what I also see is a lot of is posts which involve opinions on vendors that are not based on personal experiences with the vendor, but on a lot of other factors. For example:
I know everyone here wants peace, but I think it behooves everyone to post information not based on what we suspect, but what we actually know..
I said this on another post, but I really want to say it again.. I would hope that the folks here don't hold their feelings towards Valencia against Camille and Remy Hair Today.. Camille's done nothing here and it's UNFAIR to hold her BUSINESS association with Valencia against her.. I personally judge people on THEIR own actions not the actions of those around them. Because frankly, people just can't control the actions of other people. We can only be responsible for our own behavior and actions. If Valencia has offended people here, then so be it, but IMO we should be careful that we don't fall prey to the "guilt by association" theory. It's not a good way to judge others..
I have no opinion one way or another on the whole Valencia "controversy". I do see both sides of the conflict, but I truly have no feelings one way or another.. However, in reading the aftermath of this whole mess, it feels like an innocent business woman is going to share the blame for something she really wasn't involved with..
Camille didn't post in any of the Valencia threads on this forum.. Her husband posted understandably because he's trying to defend his wife's business and name from being sullyed by something she really wasn't involved in. And now even his posts are also being regarded with suspicion.. Forget Valencia for a minute.. If your wife was being called on the carpet publicly for something YOU KNOW SHE DIDN'T DO.. What would you do???
Look, I don't know Camille or her husband personally.. I found Camille because I had been researching remy hair, and have been talking to her about her product. I have spoken to her and exchanged a number of e-mails with her.. I found her patient, VERY knowledgable, and honest. I would not be planning to spend my money with anyone I thought was dishonest or scandalous. My point here is this, it seems like "Valencia Gate" is being taken a bit too far.. She's gone, and that should be it.. Are those who she associates with now going to be judged based on HER actions?? Is that even fair??
This is just my opinion, but I really hope we aren't going to jump to hasty conclusions..
Crystal
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I agree with you to some extent Crystal. I was the one who initailly posted with a response to Valencia about being offended by her posts. Apparently, by the posts that followed I wasnt the only one who felt that way. I believe that Valencia probably IS a very competent and qualified professional. My only 'problem' was her attitude toward the majority of the people who make up this board (DIYers) But in no way would I hold Camille, her husband, or Remyhairtoday responsible and not buy their products because of Valencia.
Having said that....as business people Camille and her husband surely understand that the people that they associate themselves with is a direct reflection on them. I dont know the extent of Valencias involvement in their business and I really dont care personally, it wouldnt stop me from buying their products if they were good, but the reality is that you are judged by the company you keep...not that that is necessarily fair.
I dont know if you got to read alot of the posts that were made in ValenciaGate as they were mostly deleted, but she also posted under another userID which turned out to be a KNOWN TROLL
You know I've been reading the posts regarding "Valencia Gate", and I wanted to interject a few words here.. I came to these forums (Hair Boutique and Black Hair Forum) because I was researching remy hair vendors, and was looking for information feedback, etc.. While a lot of the information on these forums has been very helpful, unfortunately what I also see is a lot of is posts which involve opinions on vendors that are not based on personal experiences with the vendor, but on a lot of other factors. For example:
I know everyone here wants peace, but I think it behooves everyone to post information not based on what we suspect, but what we actually know..
I said this on another post, but I really want to say it again.. I would hope that the folks here don't hold their feelings towards Valencia against Camille and Remy Hair Today.. Camille's done nothing here and it's UNFAIR to hold her BUSINESS association with Valencia against her.. I personally judge people on THEIR own actions not the actions of those around them. Because frankly, people just can't control the actions of other people. We can only be responsible for our own behavior and actions. If Valencia has offended people here, then so be it, but IMO we should be careful that we don't fall prey to the "guilt by association" theory. It's not a good way to judge others..
I have no opinion one way or another on the whole Valencia "controversy". I do see both sides of the conflict, but I truly have no feelings one way or another.. However, in reading the aftermath of this whole mess, it feels like an innocent business woman is going to share the blame for something she really wasn't involved with..
Camille didn't post in any of the Valencia threads on this forum.. Her husband posted understandably because he's trying to defend his wife's business and name from being sullyed by something she really wasn't involved in. And now even his posts are also being regarded with suspicion.. Forget Valencia for a minute.. If your wife was being called on the carpet publicly for something YOU KNOW SHE DIDN'T DO.. What would you do???
Look, I don't know Camille or her husband personally.. I found Camille because I had been researching remy hair, and have been talking to her about her product. I have spoken to her and exchanged a number of e-mails with her.. I found her patient, VERY knowledgable, and honest. I would not be planning to spend my money with anyone I thought was dishonest or scandalous. My point here is this, it seems like "Valencia Gate" is being taken a bit too far.. She's gone, and that should be it.. Are those who she associates with now going to be judged based on HER actions?? Is that even fair??
This is just my opinion, but I really hope we aren't going to jump to hasty conclusions..
Having said that....as business people Camille and her husband surely understand that the people that they associate themselves with is a direct reflection on them. I dont know the extent of Valencias involvement in their business and I really dont care personally, it wouldnt stop me from buying their products if they were good, but the reality is that you are judged by the company you keep...not that that is necessarily fair.
You're right it really doesn't matter the extent of their business association.. I'm not buying Valencia's services (and for the record in my communications with Remy Hair Today, she is not selling them) I am interested in their hair. And in that search I want to make sure the vendor sells a quality product, and provides great customer service. IMO, on those counts Remy Hair Today has done exceedingly well..
But here's the thing about it.. Whether people do it or not.. It's NOT rational nor is it fair to judge people because someone they know/associate with expresses an opinion that others do not agree with. From where I sit it's really not about whether Valencia was right or whether those who did not like what she said (or how she said what she said) were right.. Valencia expressed an opinion that turned out to be unpopular with folks here. And that's fine.. EVERYONE involved had a right to feel the way they do.. The ower of this forum was free to take whatever action she felt appropriate in the matter.. I see both sides of this argument, and I have NO OPINION one way or another about the whole mess.. What I am saying still is let's not take this too far.. To assume that the owner or Remy Hair Today is of the same opinion when she has never said ANYTHING even remotely like the "offending comments" on this or any other forum is just plain wrong.. To my knowledge she has nowhere on this forum or any other forum (i.e. the BHF) expressed any such similar opinions.. The only person who owns and is responsible for what Valencia had to say is.. Valencia..
I just hope folks here don't mix apples and oranges.. IMO so far I like what Remy Hair Today offers, and I plan to make a purchase of her hair in a week or two. I will post my findings on her hair once I get it, in case someone else is interested in her product. I would just hope that cooler heads will prevail, and that the members of this forum will not judge Remy Hair Today or it's owner by ASSUMING that if she has some sort of an association with Valencia that this makes them the same person or of one mind or anything else.
Remy Hair Today sells Remy Virgin Indian Hair. The owner is NOT a hairdresser, and she will sell to extension wearers, stylists and DIYs.. So let's talk about the quality of the hair, the quality of the service, the value/cost.. Since people read these forums to gather knowledge, isn't it only fair that the knowledge shared here should be based on facts or ACTUAL experiences with the vendor not CONJECTURE and ASSUMPTIONS??
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I dont know if you got to read alot of the posts that were made in ValenciaGate as they were mostly deleted, but she also posted under another userID which turned out to be a KNOWN TROLL
I read some, but mostly, I tuned out a good deal of that whole thread.. It was way too negative for me, and honestly, that's not what I came here for.. I know most of the posts were deleted, and Valencia's ID was banned, and from what I have read in other posts, I guess it was discovered/assumed she logged in using another user ID and posted something else... But I will say this... I do know as an IT professional by trade (I'm a Business Systems Analyst) and in managing my husbands website forum and guestbook, that it is difficult to tell who someone is strictly by IP addresses. ISPs usually assign user IP addresses dynamically (per login session -- even if you have a high speed connection) Couple that with a few other variables and while IP logging is a way for site managers to help manage unwanted traffic, it is not a surefire method for determining when the same person is logging in under another userID or not..
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I dont think anyone is jumping to hasty conclusions, I havent heard one bad word about Remyhairtoday. I think it was just brought to attention about Valencia and her connection to them. She is obviously more than just a customer...she does all the pretipping for that company, she is the fusion specialist on their website. And Camille links Valencia's business under her signature in every post on her forum. So its obviously more than just Valencia being a customer. But I dont care...if Remyhairtoday has a good product line, Id still buy it. And Im sure anyone else would too.
As for your statement that we base our opinion on things such as
I dont agree, I think everyone here is looking for the same thing, great HAIR and I think we all try EVERYTHING out there in our search for the holy grail! As for the borrowed pics....do you know how many times Ive seen a Bohyme hair picture posted on a site that is selling CHEAP BSS quality hair? Now Im sorry... that is just misleading.
As for Valencia....since it keeps coming up. She was NOT banned for her comments that some found offensive, and yes I had a problem with her condesending attitude in the fusion specialist thread. Why would you come to a board with the majority of members being DIYers, and post comments about unqualified people doing it at home, and the references of imposters and unqualified were in EVERY SINGLE post she made. THAT was my only issue! I simply posted that I wished she would not use comments like that.
What got her banned....and most of you did NOT see it, were the posts in Synnes thread. The admin. acted very quickly and removed them, (Thank YOU) The posts were MEAN,CRUEL and downright NASTY. That is why she was BANNED.
Let's be clear.. I made a GENERAL observation about what IMO I've seen posted on these forums.. (and let me be clear.. it's not just this one I'm speaking of..) The WE in your statement implies that I am speaking of every single member of this forum, and that's JUST NOT what I am trying to say..
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As for the borrowed pics....do you know how many times Ive seen a Bohyme hair picture posted on a site that is selling CHEAP BSS quality hair? Now Im sorry... that is just misleading.
I couldn't agree more, and you're right.. Being mislead and getting bad hair sucks.. But the point I was making is that THAT'S the kind of information I'm looking for.. I want to know about the HAIR.. Not the pictures they used on their website.. Tell me about the HAIR!!!!!!
I've seen TONS of posts (Not just here.. on other forums too) where it was ASSUMED that because the site used celebrity or stock photos (that's what I call immature webdesign techniques) that the product was somehow compromised.. These kind of posts were made without making ONE SINGLE CONTACT with the vendor.. I saw one such post about a vendor I had been checking out.. So I contacted the vendor because they were on my list of places to check out... I asked a ton of questions via e-mail and on the phone.. They impressed me with their response time and their willingness to answer questions.. I felt comfortable with their answers, and I placed an order.. Turns out that this company actually had really nice hair, and the women I talked to were just as nice and knowledgable as can be. I did get a few bad wefts in my order, but the manager was so cool when I called about it.. She apologized profusely, and sent out new hair BEFORE I got a chance to return the hair with the bad wefts... As it turns out, the information posted was an incorrect assumption..
All I'm saying is that if this forum is an exchange of ideas and information, shouldn't we expect the members to report actual experiences, and not conjecture or suppositions.. Tell me about the HAIR!!! Okay.. so they used a picture of Halle Berry on their site.. Whatever.. Tell me about the HAIR.. What was the HAIR like???
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I dont think anyone is jumping to hasty conclusions, I havent heard one bad word about Remyhairtoday. I think it was just brought to attention about Valencia and her connection to them. She is obviously more than just a customer...she does all the pretipping for that company, she is the fusion specialist on their website. And Camille links Valencia's business under her signature in every post on her forum. So its obviously more than just Valencia being a customer.
But hasty conclusions are already being reached if the implication is being made that somehow the owner of this company is suspect because Valencia behaved badly.. That's all I'm trying to say.. Why throw someone who was not involved in this whole mess under the bus???
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As for Valencia....since it keeps coming up... What got her banned....and most of you did NOT see it..
Honestly, (and please don't take this the wrong way) the details of Valencia's demise here on this forum are of no real interest to me.. I was out of town when most of whatever happened went down.. I'm sure it was terrible, and everyone seems happy with the actions taken..
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I didn't see any pictures of what they sell on this site. Am I missing something?
There's a MS Word document on the site that you can download which has pics of the hair.. For $3.00 (??) you can get samples of the hair too.. The hair is really pretty and the prices are not bad either.. I just bought a bunch of hair from Luxury Locs and RK Hair, so I have to wait until the hair warchest is built up again before I can buy anything else. (My husband has already made it clear that I am NOT to use the credit cards for hair anymore.. ) I hope to place an order with Remy Hair Today & Shrinkies.net really soon..
I'm trying out all kinds of hair because I want to see if I can find hair of equal quality (with a smaller pricetag) to EP.. Don't get me wrong.. I will ALWAYS love EP, and I will buy more EP hair eventually.. I just wanted to see what my alternatives were..
Did you order hair when you were at EP??
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oh...I see they have listed on the forum and in the link above there are some pictures of some blonde hair that is up for bid.....thats gotta be rare, and she states that on occasion she recieves some natural light vigin indian remy hair. Wonder what the high bid will be on that!
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As for Valencia....since it keeps coming up. She was NOT banned for her comments that some found offensive, and yes I had a problem with her condesending attitude in the fusion specialist thread. Why would you come to a board with the majority of members being DIYers, and post comments about unqualified people doing it at home, and the references of imposters and unqualified were in EVERY SINGLE post she made. THAT was my only issue! I simply posted that I wished she would not use comments like that.
What got her banned....and most of you did NOT see it, were the posts in Synnes thread. The admin. acted very quickly and removed them, (Thank YOU) The posts were MEAN,CRUEL and downright NASTY. That is why she was BANNED.
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I purchashed hair from Camille and it is beautiful hair. I will use the hair on the weft the next time I purchase. My clients loved it, I am looking to order some on my next installs.
i am just curoius, if valencia cant post here- or purhaps she is posting under a "new" name now- how is it Phil- the husband even knew to post something over here to us???
i am not getting into this drama just an observation ya know?
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