QuoteReplyTopic: licensing for extensions Posted: January 29 2005 at 5:57am
That's cool. I definitely wasn't at all offended by your post; I don't take it personally. I was just pointing out about the "professionals" thing, because there seems to be such a great disparity between the skills and integrity of some extensionists compared to others. That's why I always tell people if they're not happy with their stylists, they should find someone else--it takes a few tries sometimes.
Please, I take none of this personally. HONESTLY! This forum is subject to everyone's opinion(and just like a##holes everyones got one!!!) Jenn, I agree with you! I work with "professionals" who feed their clients a plate of crap to compinsate for their lack of ability. Again this applies to all types of services(color,cuts,anything they won't own up to) That is unfortunate in our industry. People like those you've dealt with misrep. the rest of us in the industry who honestly have passion and integrity. Like I said before, you have to trust your gut and the relationship with your stylist. With that said Jenn and for several others on this forum...All you DIYs have schooled me and you Know your stuff. So, by you sharing your knowledge you've directed people out of harms way and advised them to ask questions and know what they are getting themselves into! That helps the honest people in my industry Thanks Again all... No love lost!!!!!
In May of 2003 I enrolled in my local community college. I would say that most of my classmates are single parents, male and female. How they go to school, work and take care of a family is beyond me and I give them high marks for doing it.
In Colorado you apply for your grants from the government and their given out according to income. The lower your income, the more you get. I know people who are going to go all the way through college on grants and not have to pay anything back when they graduate. Because Im married I dont qualify for but a pittance. The rest I take out in student loans. After tuition and books are paid I get a check from the college for living expenses. I have averaged about $3000 per semester since I started and let me tell you that has kept out butts out of the fire on more than one occassion. Of course Im going to have to pay it all back after I graduate but I consider it a small price to pay for getting an education and assistance.
If beauty colleges are acredited by the state you can qualify for government grants and even student loans.
Let me tell you ladies something....I started college at the age of 40 and I was scared toooooo death. Ive been home with my kids since they were born, and the thoughts of sitting in a classroom freaked me out, but now that Im close to graduating Im soooo very glad I did it. There are so many government grants out there available to women and scholarships galore. If there is something you truly want to do, then there is a way to get it done.
Although I agree with you, Crackahead, on several points, I have to take issue with something you said: Yes regulations need to be set. Otherwise a DiY may think she's got it, But when she really doesn't she will have to seek help from a schooled profesional to correct any mishaps. You could relate that situation to all aspects of life...ie..You worked on your car but didn't solve the problem or even worse created more trouble. I see this everyday when someone colors or hilights their own hair...and it's a tragic mess! That is why you maintain a relationship with your stylist.
I had two professional, licensed stylists trash my hair, and believe me, I could've done a better, less-damaging DIY job myself. When I ran into trouble with these licensed professionals, I turned to the DIYers for help! So it works both ways.... :)
May I quote Erykah Badu..."Keep in mind I'm an Artist and I'm sensitive about my sh**..."
Ha! I love Erykah Badu.
I think standards need to be set too, but I think a lot of states don't have a good handle on the extensions vs. cosmetology thing, and how they're different. I don't necessarily agree in letting whoever wants to call themselves an extensionist, but on the other hand I think making extensionists get licensed (when they don't want to do cosme work) is prohibitive and anti-business and illogical and a lot of other things. I really liked what I heard about Florida, which may have just been a rumor, where they instituted a "braider's license". This license is a short class (15 hours; about a weekend's worth) where they learned public health and safety, sanitation, hair and scalp conditions, etc. It still doesn't teach people actual skills, but that'd be hard since there are so many different techniques and methods of braiding and extending. It basically says, "Okay, we know we don't know enough about what you guys do to regulate it, but we'll at least teach you good health practices and then let you do your own thing." Which I think is a way better approach than many other states are taking.
Metalgirl, Jenny, Bridget, Amm, Emma.... You all have wonderful insight, experience,& knowledge to share.So whether licensed or DiY... THAT IS WHAT THIS FORUM IS FOR!!!! Personally, I am licensed. Yes regulations need to be set. Otherwise a DiY may think she's got it, But when she really doesn't she will have to seek help from a schooled profesional to correct any mishaps. You could relate that situation to all aspects of life...ie..You worked on your car but didn't solve the problem or even worse created more trouble. I see this everyday when someone colors or hilights their own hair...and it's a tragic mess! That is why you maintain a relationship with your stylist. An honest stylist will truly keep her client's best interest at heart as well as her workmanship. IT'S CALLED PRIDE! So... maybe things got out of hand. Hope no love is lost. May I quote Erykah Badu..."Keep in mind I'm an Artist and I'm sensitive about my sh**..."
I don't think you should leave either. Obviously, you misinterpreted what MetalGirl meant, and you've apologized for that.
We should all just keep this sort of thing in mind as we post going forward. I don't think anyone means to offend anyone else, but sometimes when we're stressing a point, it can be misunderstood as attitude; usually it's not attitude at all. People have misunderstood me as being too negative before too, when I was only trying to help others avoid the same mistakes I've made.
Anyway, I think you should both stay. MetalGirl always offers wonderful insights and advice, and you've become a very active, involved member in a short time. I think there's room for everyone here.
no no no metal girl! dont leave, let me! you are so wonderful here! I have a habit of speaking my mind in everything, and sounding like a ***** when it isn't the intention and I totally understand it sounded awful! I am an argumentative *****.
I spend a lot of time in heated debates, and it carried over here, please don't leave, I will sweetie. Really, you are a help here, I am not.
I am so sorry, sweetie, really. I didn't mean to offend you.
metal girl, you have given valuable information to me as well. i agree with your thoughts on state regulation as well. please stay on and contribute.you are an important part of this forum and we need several experienced opinions on all topics.thats why i enjoy this forum.yes, there are some negative posts here, but that is life, we can not hide from that, just ignore the negative and know you are valued.
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As far as financial assistance with schooling, etc., you might want to check with your local employment office. A few years back I was enrolled in a program through them that paid for my tuition and books for any degree that the 2-year college was offering, plus I got a small paycheck for the hours I spent in class. On top of this, I still qualified for and was able to keep any grants I received; it did not affect the amount paid by the unemployment office at all. The only downfall was that they required being in school full time, even during the summer, which might make things difficult if you are a single mom.
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Metalgirl, I for one appreciate your insight and knowledge and you willingness to share and contribute to this board. Please stay, this board has became a great resource over the past few months and you have been a part of that. I second Jenny and would like it if you'd stay and continue to be a valuable contibutor to this board.
I'm sorry this misunderstanding got so out of hand. I realize that you are offended, but I don't think you should go. You've been a tremendous help to everyone here, and I, for one, would really like it if you stayed.
Like Sherrie, I don't think you meant to insult or belittle anyone with your post. It is certainly better that people know the risks of operating illegal businesses before the state comes to shut them down! And I think that's all you were trying to illustrate here.
If you would prefer not to post here anymore, we'd all obviously understand and wish you the best, but for the record, I really think you should stay.
I think I will not participate in this forum any longer. I have only tried to be helpful to licensed extensionists and DIYers alike.
I have no agenda beyond helping and learning from other people's experience.
I feel badly for people who are so hostile and critical, because all that negative energy is not healthy.
Thanks and good bye to all the positive contributors to this forum.
I'll be on the Yahoo hair extension specialist board if anyone would actually like some reputable advice and insight from my years of experience wearing and doing extensions.
Yes, you did certainly misunderstand my previous post. I was simply describing what happened to a friend of mine regarding the licensing.
I am not bitter at all, and frankly I'm surprised that is what you surmised from my post.
I have a great extension business, and no I don't ever have anyone sign contracts, I would consider a refund to a client if the situation warranted it.
I have in fact spent my own money several times to repurchase hair for clients because the hair we ordered for them was a 'bad batch'.
If a client calls me and tells me some extensions fell out, I have her come in right away and I reapply them, for no charge. I always have my client's best interest in mind. I don't mark up hair at all and I don't charge really high prices for my service.
The state has to be able to regulate businesses in some way, that is the only sure way to protect the consumer.
in my experience as a single mom at the time, there was not any help for me from the gov . but that was a while ago. did not have a family to help either. i am not trying to preach here but just sharing. i fell into (or lead) a great church and they just so happened to have a love for single mothers. they helped me a lot babysitting and putting together money for career. i never did graduate HS but i did graduate beauty school and now 19 years later am working on some very famous heads of this country and others.sooooooo,maybe this could be another avenue to try....... just a thought. having your licence does help getting more business. qualified or not.
About single mothers and assistance, although there are definitely certain opportunities available, I think that what tends to happen is that the goverment offers rather generic courses such as "computer skills," "typing," or whatever at some training center, but the assistance doesn't necessarily apply to other pursuits that would be better vocations for many people.
I'm getting way off-topic here, but a few years ago, I was on unemployment for the first and only time, and it was a real learning experience. The people at the unemployment office tried to be helpful, and they do make certain resources available to you (like their computer center, fax machine, etc.), but because the system is so bureaucratic, they just don't have the resources to help you with your individual situation. And if you ever get an actual person on the phone, it's a miracle! In my case, I didn't need their computer or fax or their job-hunting help, but if I could've taken a course in, let's say, HTML or Photoshop or something, I totally would've taken advantage of it. To make a long story very long, I think the same thing often happens with institutionalized education.
I think you are totally off base SqueezetheShaman. I reread the thread and didnt think anything metalgirl said was intended to be offense. She has been very helpful and contibuted lots of information to this site for the rest of us DIYers. I think that was totally wrong to categorize her into the "group" that you did. I could say more but I wont just because........
Well, like I said, sorry if I was wrong. Don't get offended, I do agree, she seems to be a big help on these forums, and I didn't categorize her in that group, I pointed out that I noticed that group existed in the short time I have tried to get a grip on this topic.
If you want to say more, feel free. It is an open forum after all. I don't know you. I won't cry, I promise
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I think you are totally off base SqueezetheShaman. I reread the thread and didnt think anything metalgirl said was intended to be offense. She has been very helpful and contibuted lots of information to this site for the rest of us DIYers. I think that was totally wrong to categorize her into the "group" that you did. I could say more but I wont just because........
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Thanks Again all... No love lost!!!!!
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