I've been doing searches on here and reading old threads and you girls have covered all of this before. So so sorry for the repeat info and not really offering anything new or helpful. Wish there was a way I could read all the old threads from the very beginning but there's so many. I feel like there's so much more I want to know that you've already covered but I have limited time on here.
I've been looking into a few different things that when cured are very similar in makeup to the plastics we eat and drink out of every day
I think he was being super protective cuz that's how he usually is. He then later asked me if I wanted his professional opinion for someone and how much they'd be willing to pay for his expertice. I'm almost offended when I think about it too much. I'm gonna ask one of my professors about it all and see what he says
I think a good tip though is to look at the material safety data sheet of whatever you're considering using to tip the extensions. And look to see if there are any recorded reactions between whetever you're using if you're using more than one agent. Someone has done most of the work already if you know where to find it. It's just a giant pain in the fanny to find it.
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Ok I asked him and he said it's organic chemistry and not really his field
but he explained a bit to me and it's a lot more complicated than I imagined
From what I understand the epoxy has a reaction when curing that can be interfered with by adding the hair and also by coming into prolonged contact with other elements like shampoos/shower/hair treatments water/other glues etc...
He said there's different kinds of epoxy so he'd need to know the chemical composition of the 2 epoxy parts to then determine if a reaction occurs (other than the intended bonding reaction)
and that it would have to be tested in a few ways for safety
He also threatened to tan my hide if I attempted to use something like that on myself before I'm sure it's safe
Also I found that the silicone I was considering using as an alternative to the epoxy forms acetic acid when it comes into contact with moisture
I don't know how much or to what degree but that can apparantly cause skin burns at some levels
It's so much more complicated than I thought.
Now I'm afraid to try anything that hasn't been proven safe.
I have made enough hair mistakes. Not ready to lose more hair. ugggg
Dunno what I'm gonna do now
I guess I feel safer with the LG and nail glue since that's at least intended for wear on the body and (I hope) already tested for safety
Has anyone mixed LG and proclaim and topped with nail glue?
and how do I find out if mixing those is safe since I dunno if there'll be some strange reaction there
double ugg
and time for bed
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I'm sure almost everything we put in our hair, on our bodies, and in our bodies has some degree of toxicity in it.
Most medication we take may be good for you at the time, but later may cause life threatening diseases.
I think if the customer is informed and they still want to do it, then no harm done. They can't blame no one for it, cuz they were informed.
Besides, if it is in the shrinkie, will it be touching any part of the head? Even if the shrinkie is pushed up to the scalp, and the pre-tipped hair is inserted only half way or a third in the shrinkie?
Hey, I'm just asking!
Edited by HAIR_VETERAN - November 30 2006 at 10:32pm
We haven't talked for a while and I doubt he'll appreciate me jumping out of the woodwork and asking him to do work for me for free but I will ask him and see what he has to say about it all.
I'll let you all know if he has anything good to tell me.
Meanwhile I'm considering a few different tipping glues so I'm curious about their safety too. I was considering tipping some ext hair and shrinky-ing it to a piece of my own hair (cut off of my head just for safety sake) and washing/drying/curling it a few times. Then I'll attempt removal and see what works best before trying it on my own head. Just in case god forbid it melts my hair or into my hair or who knows what else.
I like my hair unmelted and healthy way too much to risk it
Have to admit I'm enjoying the idea of doing my little hair extension experiments though
I think I'm awaiting my shrinkies order with more excitement than all my other Christmas presents put together
Its the environment I tip in that worries me, its not really suitable to be classed as a well ventilated area so I daren't use it as I have one cat and four dogs and I certainly don't want to harm them. Also I have my clients to think of xx
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Yes it's a fact: Epoxy is harmful and causes cancer when wet but according to manufactures instructions that isn't a problem as long as you either avoid using it altogether or wear the appropriate gear to protect yourself while using it in its wet stage.
Marie,
Don't stop sharing your experiments with us. We all benefit and all our input helps everyone learn what is or isn’t safe for all of us to use on our heads.
Complete (verses partial) facts are most important meaning….none of us are qualified to guess, only a chemical professional can tell us the complete facts of whether or not epoxy is cancerous or still harmful when fully dry.
We already know the facts/dangers and precautions to take when epoxy is wet but does anyone know a real biochemist/professional who CAN answer the question: Is Epoxy a cancerous and unsafe material when dry?
Why do I care? Because it sounds like epoxy is the most durable and easiest pre tipping material out there, so far, and that's exactly what I want for my pre tips, cuz pretipping is so time consuming, not fun and it’s definitely something I want to spend as little time doing as possible.
If epoxy doesn't cause cancer once it is fully cured/dry then I would love to know that, this way I have yet another option for pretipping hair.
Anyone know a bio chemist who would genuinely be interested in helping a bunch of hairaholics find the answer to the epoxy mystery?
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Marie, there's no need to be offended. I'm definitely not attacking you or anyone else for that matter. It's just really important for people to understand that it's not morally or ethically right to put other people's live in jeapordy without them knowing. That's all.
AFAIK, a lot of the glues used for pretipping are, at least to some
extent, considered toxins, so everyone should be careful when using
this stuff.
As I understand it,
Gorilla Glue is a urethane glue, and although the packaging claims it's
non-toxic, this review does say that it's relatively toxic to the
touch, so perhaps it's best to wear gloves or finger condoms: http://www.thistothat.com/gom/2000.02.shtml .
I'm not trying to freak anyone out here. There's always some level of risk
with any chemicals, but I do think trying to avoid direct skin contact
with these products when they're wet would be wise.
Also, I'm obviously not a doctor or a chemist, so anyone correct me if I'm off.
Actually, the thread really got offtrack from your original post about using silicone to pretip! I think that sounds awesome, actually, cuz silicone is water repellent so you'd think it would be great for tips and would last a long time. It's flexible so probably more comfortable, esp. under a small shrinkie.
You could look up the ingredients listed on the tube for toxicity on the internet. My guess is that it's not very toxic since silicone is used in lots of medical applications...maybe in a different form but you could check.
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With all respect to everyone... epoxy may or may not cause cancer, depending on wether it's wet or dry, but unless a real biochemical expert chimes in and clears it up for us I don't think it's helpful for any of us to get into spiting contests .
Does anyone know a real biochemical expert who can give us the facts so that we can end this debate?
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Plus, I think there would be some pretty big lawsuits if someone found out you were using a substance on their head that has been proven to cause cancer. I'd sue the &*(#$ out of someone if they did that to me, not to mention the possible criminal charges from the government.
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Since none of us here have doctorates in biochemistry and have experimented in our laboratories, I don't think it's safe to just assume that epoxy is harmless once it's dry. It may very well be, but since we're dealing with CANCER, a potentially deadly disease, can you afford to assume? Again, if you don't regard yourself highly enough to safeguard against known cancer causing agents, that's your perogative. BUT, if you use something potentially fatal on your clients, you are basically experimenting with their lives! Can you sleep at night knowing that? Sure, it might be totally harmless once it's dry, but YOU don't know that. All you DO know is that it DOES cause cancer when wet! Is it really too hard to find something else to pretip with?
All so it is inside the shrink. allthough what are shrinks made of? I am planing on buying the good EP hair for my clients so yes I do want it to hold up. Some say it can be reused for 1 to 2 years. And once again it's plastic once dry,no fumes.
Delin what type do you use, the 30 min's I looked at couldnt withstand the heat. I would love it if that worked though.
Once again to each his own. accetone is very bad for you and your client breathing it and yet many use this to remove extensions with out so much discussion. My daughter rides a bike with a helmet so wear a mask with epoxy. Or chose not to use it.
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