QuoteReplyTopic: thinking of adding Socap Posted: October 30 2006 at 7:33pm
hollandbluejay wrote:
It seems like I read somewhere on the internet that so.cap. italy was european hair.
envoy13: Is there any way to make regular bonds flat when applying, like by pressing the bond between a flat plated fusion wand?
Shirilyn: When you say that they teach you how to seal the ends of the extensions, are you talking about individual bonds? Does this keep the moisture out?
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If you have a flat bond tip (i guess now Vision is making their own like socap?) then its easier to create a flat bond.Ive tried doing it with nail tips/u-tips and it was a little harder. The reason is you have to fold it like an envelope the corners first forward, and the corners back. I guess its a little hard to describe. But to my knowledge just using a purging tool to make the bonds flat will not be enough. You have to really make sure that the entire hair is sealed with the bond because if it isnt, then water/moisture can penetrate and weaken the bond, thus causing the bond to loosen and fall quicker. But you know you girls on this forum are so talented, Im sure someone can figure it out, or at the very least someone should put 2 or 3 bonds this way and see how long they last.
asinnamon-please keep us posted on this vision hair. Im very curious now about it. What are the prices for their hair? In terms of 4-6 months, this is possible, if they do touch-ups every 6 weeks. For instance, I replace any hair that is fallen, and if I see that some bonds are too low I also remove them at that time. In other words, I hope that its not like you get your extensions and then they dont see you for six months (that sounds scary).
But if they have you come in periodically to see how your bonds are doing , to remove low ones, and to replace some that have fallen, I think its possible to wear them for 4-6 months. All this system does is avoid a complete take down and re-application.
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I have 2 sample strands of the Vision hair Extensions. These gals are in Keene, NH and I will be going to get my hair done within the next couple months. The hair itself feels very silky and fine. The bond tip is flat, not stick or U, and without logo. I can't tell if it's asian or indian. I know that they used SoCap for a long time, so I wonder if they have gotten thier own label so to speak.
I Will beinstalling the strands today to test them out and see how they wear in my hair.
I have been talking with Marissa...She is very nice and seems knowledgable. My one problem with them is that they say 4-6 months for install time. WE all know that goes against the tried and true 3 month timeline...
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It seems like I read somewhere on the internet that so.cap. italy was european hair.
envoy13: Is there any way to make regular bonds flat when applying, like by pressing the bond between a flat plated fusion wand?
Shirilyn: When you say that they teach you how to seal the ends of the extensions, are you talking about individual bonds? Does this keep the moisture out?
I think they are a sister company of SoCap or something similiar, I am not sure. i will request a sample of the hair. The curly hair will come in December.
Shiry
just wondering if anyone can find the length on this hair? also does anyone know if it is indian or chinese hair? the whole kit seems pretty cheap (imo) so i wonder how good the hair is?
Okay, that is reassuring. Thanks for the info. When I went to the hairshow, I loved the cinderella bonds. They were virtually undetectable and soft. Adrian cut his tips in half, he doesn'tlike the tips if they are too wide. The show you how to seal the top and bottom of the extensions. I liked it. Can someone PM the price of the Cinderella hair, I forgot how much you get for so many pieces.
Thanks, Shiry
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Shirlyn, I dont think vision hair extensions is part of Socap, i think they call themselves Eurosocap. When I asked Socap USA if this was a part of the Socap family they told me it was not. I think this is why in the Socap USA website they state
"Look for the™ logo to ensure that you are recieving genuine SO.CAP.USA Hair Extensions. Beware of competitors who use SO.CAP. in their name.There is only one real ™ SO.CAP.USA"
I think this is what Barbielocs was also referring to. So when you talk to to the customer service of Visions, just make sure to ask them if they are related in any way to Socap USA.
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I have samples of sexyhairforyou hair. I wasn't that impressed, and I too thought that weird keratin drop on the i-tip would be hard to adjust and work with.
Cinderella does stand behind their product. I got a horrible batch of the euro wavy (curly). They credited my account for the full amount when I notified them of the problem. All in all, Cinderellas hair is the best quality I've used, with the most consistency. Their customer service is pretty good...I do occasionally have to wait on hold when ordering...their delivery time is super fast. My only other complaint about this company is that they occasionally run out of the color/texture I need, but they always try to accomodate me with the next best thing. Like giving me 20in. for the price of 16in. when they are out of stock.
www.sexyhairforyou is not that great the bonds are i tips with a dab of glue to melt on yourhair. you could do this your self with any itip.
if you take the cinderella course they guantee there hair if not they dont. so if you took it the slipping would be guanteed (i have never had anyslipping and use them a few times a week those babys last as long as you care for them esp with there products)
shiry-
in all the courses offered they yeach you how to fit the hair to the cients heads- it is worth the money to take them. you have to cut the bonds to fit the clients texture and so on. they come one size fits all so you need to adjust them
www. sexyhairforyou.com? It is pricey, but you get a guarantee on the hair, which I like. The only thing I don't like about it is the keratin tips have the extra glue on it. What do you do for someone who has a small or big head and the tips still are not small or big enough?
Excellent info girls. I'm certified in the Cinderella system, but I have a couple of clients that seem to be having difficulty with them slipping. Not sure if Cinderella has changed something or not. These clients do very well with the Cinderella hair converted to i-tips and applied with shrinkies.
I will say that the quality of the Cinderella hair is excellent. In three years I've only had one bad batch, and it was the euro wavy which is like french refined.
Metalgirl: I feel your pain girl! I only have one client who I do silicone microrings on, and after her install my hand is bruised and sore for a week! I'm also not having much luck getting those rings to stay in and not slip no matter how tight the fit, or how hard I crimp them.
I'm going to check out SoCap too. It sound very interesting.
I was looking into taking the Cinderella course, but you don't have to be certified to order from them. They are slipping??????? Well, that sucks, can't win from loosing. Now what? What shampoo are your clients using? I saw the Euro hair on his website, I am truly scared of it, it looks like that curl from shor2long. It looked to neat. When I was pulling it apart it would get tangled.
I think they are a sister company of SoCap or something similiar, I am not sure. i will request a sample of the hair. The curly hair will come in December.
i use the socap USA- and the i have used the original socap too. you know how they say look for the logo on the hair? well socap usa is different than socap original. socap original is not as high quality bonds nor hair, i think. it seems a few steps below. the socap original is just an s shape in the bond where as socap usa has the shape plus the little design. i hope this help. i don't know if they were partners who broke apart or what. or if they just improved the product and kept the old product for people that were hooked.. anyways you can only get socap from the usa company not the original. the original you have to get from europe(pretty sure on this)
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As far as I know, you have to take their training to purchase their hair. You have to go through their certification class.
Barbielocs, Im confused, what is the difference between socap and socap original, do you mean Socap and Eurosocap? Or Socapusa vs Socap Italy? Ive never heard of a distinction between socap and socap original, if you could give more info that would be great
Currently I order through Socap USA what do you use?
Shirilyn, I saw on the so.cap.usa website that the hair comes in straight, wavy, and curly. Does anyone know if Socap requires that you take their training class in order to buy their products?
I agree, I had the same problem with the short2long. The deep curl hair was okay, but it still tangled a little on my client. And my had was sore also...... I am going to go to the SoCap training next month or the month after. First I am going to the New Concepts training this weekend. Does anyone know if Socap has different textures, such as yaki, curly or french refined ect? I heard about the SoCap training in Florida, it is $300, but here in Texas it is $500 plus the amount of the machine.
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Excellent info girls. I'm certified in the Cinderella system, but I have a couple of clients that seem to be having difficulty with them slipping. Not sure if Cinderella has changed something or not. These clients do very well with the Cinderella hair converted to i-tips and applied with shrinkies.
I will say that the quality of the Cinderella hair is excellent. In three years I've only had one bad batch, and it was the euro wavy which is like french refined.
Metalgirl: I feel your pain girl! I only have one client who I do silicone microrings on, and after her install my hand is bruised and sore for a week! I'm also not having much luck getting those rings to stay in and not slip no matter how tight the fit, or how hard I crimp them.
I'm going to check out SoCap too. It sound very interesting.
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hollandbluejay wrote:
I am going to go to the SoCap training next month or the month after. First I am going to the New Concepts training this weekend. Does anyone know if Socap has different textures, such as yaki, curly or french refined ect? I heard about the SoCap training in Florida, it is $300, but here in Texas it is $500 plus the amount of the machine.
