QuoteReplyTopic: Pics of my Russian weft! (and a Q) Posted: August 17 2007 at 4:06pm
I agree with you there. i was afraid to bring it up because i was concerned it would start huge arguments but I think its true. The reality of it is that as soon as more white clientelle kind of catch on to sew ins and learn thats its affordable and the bomb, more and more will opt for it and the more that do, the higher the price for it will go. I think this is just a harsh, financial reality.
People also mix and match correct? Like you can have a sew in but also using a few microlink or glue and microlinks or something along those lines right?
Edited by krimsa - August 18 2007 at 10:08am
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Camels spit too. Well at least they let you know what they think of you. See here we go again.
Once more white stylist see the market for sew-in they be more willing to learn the technique. It'll just take more white girls to find out about it. If they can chose between a $700 and up strand by strand technique or a $25 per weft sew-in which do you think they'll pick. I do my own fusion, but I tell you, as much as I love it I was not going to be dishing out that amount of dough four times a year. There were definitely some sew-ins in my future.
Yeah I have NEVER had a problem asking that question of an African American stylist or salon. However, white salons, can sometimes be weird. Like asking them about sew ins always seemed to be met with a haughty "why" attitude. Im not saying every salon though and im guessing it really depends on area. Where I am here, not so good.
MsHoney you can come see the alpaca and rabbits anytime, lol. They are really cool animals. people are sometimes afraid of them because they know llamas spit. Alpaca will spit but they tend to be MUCH friendlier and you would really have to push them to make them go that far. Most of the time they will give you a warning lol.
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yeah, just ask most don't care what race you are hair is hair. There may be few nuts out there but very few stylists will reject you. I live in the D.C. metro area and girls here don't care. We boldly go into any salon that we want to. White girls to black stylists, black girls to white stylists, everybody to the Dominican salons. We just want to look cute and they want to be the ones to do it.
Thats good to know Diva. Like i said, I do always feel nervous about asking that question. Im usually just out with it though as it seems important and not a minor point. I mean hair is hair to some degree but different ethnic backgrounds have different types of hair and I dont want to put someone in the position of having to shoo me out of the salon or make them work with something they are uncomfortable with.
As for sew ins being done primarily in salons that cater to African Americans, yes, that is the only place I could find them, especially in New England and even then it was hard. But there is also misinformation given out to clients in caucasian salons. Its happened to me now as I looked for someone that could do a weave. I was told wefts are "ghetto", you cant do that on white hair and it will look like crap. Its really awful. I was made to feel much more welcome by the African American stylist i eventually found who did not understand why i was being told that and there was no animosity in her mind towards using other methods. She just likes weaves and has been doing them on herself and family since childhood like you said. Its just annoying.
I agree.. there is a LOT of mis-information out there with regards to this method.. And until stylists stop referring to this method as "ghetto" and other such nonsense, the stereotypes about sew-ins will persist.. **sigh**
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haha i don't mind aforementioned "hijacking"...threads have a way of leading into all kinds of subtopics! divavocals, i find your comment pretty insightful...i was wondering about this myself, but didn't want to ask any questions that could potentially offend anyone...in my research for a stylist who is familiar with wefts, the primary application is sew-in if youre not doing it yourself, so needless to say, i had a hard time finding anyone as its apparently not listed as a service on sites! i think im just going to go to a regular stylist and get over feeling weird for bringing a chunk of someone else's hair with me to be dyed lol
Not offensive at all.. It is a fact that this method started with black stylists, and remains the most popular method of getting extensions amongst black women.. Don't worry about offending your stylist.. It's okay to let him/her know you are caucasian. Not all black stylists are comfortable working with caucasian hair.. You'd want to know that upfront..
Edited by Divavocals - August 18 2007 at 8:14am
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she really did a good job. It is going to look so nice. Did you ever check Craigslist or Pennysaver? I think they'll have more info than the phone books.
Krimsa and I went on a lice/rabbit tangent one time, now it's alpacas. Krimsa, you need to invite me to your farm so we can just get it out of our systems
Yeah that EP wefting looks good. I think we have to discuss this to some degree if its ever going to get out there. I know I always feel awkward with the question, "Can you work with caucasian hair." Im always afriad it will set someone off but it just seems like the topic needs to be broached lest you get to the salon and they dont want to touch your skimpy fine hair with a ten foot pole and I would not blame anyone. Lol.
Maybe i should just ask if you can work with crappy, thin hair lol.
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and one more thing before i set the record for most replies to my own post...just wanted to give props/recommendation...I received excellent customer service from Tina D. of EP as well as a great final product as you can see!
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True. I was referring to caucasian salons in the way of certification. It seems for most all of the strand by strand methods, someone else owns that method like GL or Hairlocs as examples in which case, they need the certificate on the wall kind of thing. I could not care less about all that jazz.
As for sew ins being done primarily in salons that cater to African Americans, yes, that is the only place I could find them, especially in New England and even then it was hard. But there is also misinformation given out to clients in caucasian salons. Its happened to me now as I looked for someone that could do a weave. I was told wefts are "ghetto", you cant do that on white hair and it will look like crap. Its really awful. I was made to feel much more welcome by the African American stylist i eventually found who did not understand why i was being told that and there was no animosity in her mind towards using other methods. She just likes weaves and has been doing them on herself and family since childhood like you said. Its just annoying.
i totally agree! people need to get with the now and stop associating weaves with being "ghetto" and all the negative stereotypes that accompany..
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haha i don't mind aforementioned "hijacking"...threads have a way of leading into all kinds of subtopics! divavocals, i find your comment pretty insightful...i was wondering about this myself, but didn't want to ask any questions that could potentially offend anyone...in my research for a stylist who is familiar with wefts, the primary application is sew-in if youre not doing it yourself, so needless to say, i had a hard time finding anyone as its apparently not listed as a service on sites! i think im just going to go to a regular stylist and get over feeling weird for bringing a chunk of someone else's hair with me to be dyed lol
True. I was referring to caucasian salons in the way of certification. It seems for most all of the strand by strand methods, someone else owns that method like GL or Hairlocs as examples in which case, they need the certificate on the wall kind of thing. I could not care less about all that jazz.
As for sew ins being done primarily in salons that cater to African Americans, yes, that is the only place I could find them, especially in New England and even then it was hard. But there is also misinformation given out to clients in caucasian salons. Its happened to me now as I looked for someone that could do a weave. I was told wefts are "ghetto", you cant do that on white hair and it will look like crap. Its really awful. I was made to feel much more welcome by the African American stylist i eventually found who did not understand why i was being told that and there was no animosity in her mind towards using other methods. She just likes weaves and has been doing them on herself and family since childhood like you said. Its just annoying.
Hmm it’s an idea. I do love hair but I’m not a stylist is the thing. But also the man that I dealt with who sells the Russian hair is not a stylist either but he does know hair. So the two maybe don’t have to go together necessarily.
We should probably start another thread about that as to not totally hijack this one. I hope she does get her hair installed after all the work she’s gone through! I just wish sew ins were a little more accessible to people who want to try it. Correct me if I’m wrong but it seems so many salons if they do extensions at all, only want to do the strand by strand methods. Like sew ins are not even offered as an option. I’m guessing this has to do with money also. A sew in is far less expensive to have done than strand by strand so there is less incentive for stylits to train in it. Most would prefer to get certification in a method where its more financially viable.
In my experience, salons who cater to mostly caucasian clients do not offer sew ins as an option. To be perfectly honest sew ins are offered primarily at black salons and installed by black stylists.. My caucasian friends who wear sew ins all go to black salons to have them done.
Most stylists who do braided weaves don't have any certifications to show since there are HARDLY ANY legit certification classes in this method.. Many of the good stylists have been braiding hair since they were kids, and their body of work is your proof of their "certification" in the method.. So IMO when you are talking sew-ins, forget about certifications.. It's not a valid way to ensure you have a good stylist.. Certification means you took the class, nothing more.. Lots of folks are certified in lots of things they have no real skill at.. (I see it all the time in my line of work)
Also since they don't teach you how to weave/braid in cosmetology school, many of these stylists may have been doing braids and weaves LONG before they got their licenses.. So the length of time they have been licensed may not tell the WHOLE story.. (This is the case for ALL of my weavologists BTW...)
Edited by Divavocals - August 17 2007 at 1:04pm
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Hmm it’s an idea. I do love hair but I’m not a stylist is the thing. But also the man that I dealt with who sells the Russian hair is not a stylist either but he does know hair. So the two maybe don’t have to go together necessarily.
We should probably start another thread about that as to not totally hijack this one. I hope she does get her hair installed after all the work she’s gone through! I just wish sew ins were a little more accessible to people who want to try it. Correct me if I’m wrong but it seems so many salons if they do extensions at all, only want to do the strand by strand methods. Like sew ins are not even offered as an option. I’m guessing this has to do with money also. A sew in is far less expensive to have done than strand by strand so there is less incentive for stylits to train in it. Most would prefer to get certification in a method where its more financially viable.
Edited by krimsa - August 17 2007 at 12:35pm
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Krimsa, I love alpacas,they are so cute. You are really becoming an expert in the hair biz. Have you ever considered selling hair yourself? You can make lots of money especially if you chose to sell Russian/European hair. I was considering selling it myself. I've been checking out some of the various dealers in Russian/European hair, the Asian hair including Chinese and Indian, and the Spanish market also. I have some calls to put in but the ones I've talked to before have been very helpful. Maybe you should hook up with one yourself girl.
Oh Im sorry I forgot. Krimsa is the name of a girl alpaca here. i live on a farm in the boonies of New Hampshire. Alpacas look like little llamas. They are raised for their fleece and I was laughing when I realized how similar the fleece trade is to human hair extensions lol! Like they have firsts, seconds, and thirds meaning the choice fleece would be the nicest and most expensive hehe.
her full name is Zanadu Krimsa and she is a brat and very pushy hahah
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Well I have been fortunate in dealing with the Russian wefts so far but let me tell you, in the past I have had problems but that was from not doing any kind of homework myself and simply expecting everything to come out hunky dory. It just doesnt work that way when dealing with hair lol. I used to always use the hair provided to me by the stylist installing it meaning if I got GL, I used that hair, if I got Hairlocs, I used that hair. Its better to take control in my opinion and get what will work best instead of relying on the stylist or whoever is doing the install.
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. Have you ever considered selling hair yourself? You can make lots of money especially if you chose to sell Russian/European hair. I was considering selling it myself. I've been checking out some of the various dealers in Russian/European hair, the Asian hair including Chinese and Indian, and the Spanish market also. I have some calls to put in but the ones I've talked to before have been very helpful. Maybe you should hook up with one yourself girl
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