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    Posted: April 11 2008 at 10:39pm
Yes, that makes perfect sense.  I think that is exactly what they do.
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Metal,
Thanks for posting the government patent site!!!
It sounded to me (as explained in their patent) they pick up a few strands and criss cross them in with  some type of synthetic for the start of the track. Then on subsequent criss cross pick ups they also add in some hair from the previous pick up link. Does this make sense?
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ooo now i get it!Lamp has come on
and i am a weavestylist..so i add synthetic hair to my braids some times..i just still didnt get how that tied in to this tehnique..i think i get it now..WOW..super intersesting..
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Love clip-ins and tape!
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Basically the braided rope can substitute for the synthetic hair many people braid into weaves.  It functions the same, acting as an anchor to make the hair less prone to slipping.
 
17th and Glamour's tension strap is nothing more than what they call the adding in of the synthetic hair (or rope) into the criss crossing of the rings.
 
I think that adding a strand of yarn would also function equally as well in this application.
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ok i have seen that cris cross method done..but wow..they charge alot for the class..to each you THAT..well what you explained..and what it sounds like...still confused with the braided rope..hmmm again INTERESTING!
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hmm thansk for the info metalgirl!...hmm a STRAP HUH???...i need to re read what u wrote..got a lil confused!..lol..but very Interesting ..and i live not far from their..i will def try to go buy and check them out

 

TANGLES!...i will try and make it buy..if i can find time out of my busy schedule! those are my bussiest days!..i will make my way aroudn their!Embarrassed



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I think those prices are pretty good.  Doing those microring weaves are somewhat time consuming, although not as much as strands.
 
Do you know if they are sewing on double wefted hair (two wefts sewn together for more density)?
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Hi Tangles,

This is the info they gave me when I called.

$235 for package 1 - includes 2 back row wefts, and four side row wefts

$350 for package 2- i think this includes 4 back row wefts plus more on the side

$450 for package 3- this one is for 6 back row wefts plus more on the sides

they said all their prices include, maintenance, installation,cutting, styling, and cost of hair.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TanglesRC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2008 at 4:22pm
great info metal-
that is similar to how i do my mane tracks....
what do they charge?
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Ok, I did more research.  A while back I took a business class and I bought this patent search software to use in the class.  It's the same one patent lawyers use, it's called "Patent Hunter'.
 
Anyway, I found the patent and there was 19 pages of info, including detailed drawings of the steps.
 
Basically this method is not too much different than what I do with my microring weave.  Basically, the natural hair is threaded in a criss cross manner through a ring and crimped down.  You do this about 1/2" apart, in a row to make a flat foundation on which to sew your weft.
 
The only thing different that 17th and Glam does is that it includes synthetic hair in the track, which gives it more security.  Many weavologists put synthetic hair in their weaves.  You can buy a cheap jumbo silky braid at Sally's to do this.
 
Also the patent said in lieu of the synthetic hair, you could use  a braided 'rope' like the kind used in bookmarks.
 
So that's it, the mystery is solved!
 
I think this kind of weave would be ok, since I don't see damage from the microring weave that I do.  And it does stay in very well, even on fine, straight hair.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote metalgirl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2008 at 10:36am

I did a search online at the government patent site and I got this limited info:

 
 


Edited by metalgirl - April 08 2008 at 11:21am
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I have super fine hair and it didn't look bumpy at all to me.  But I did notice when people get the low package (the cheapist one) it looked too thin.  Like not enough hair.  They suggested package 2 for me.  But because it's rows, I'd assume 3 would be best for me. 
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hi chanel08.....does it look bulky or pretty flat? I might look into this too if it is not too bulky. I have fine hair so I am concerned about a bump from a wefted method....it would have to lay pretty flat.


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I know!! I went in and they said the same thing Sofia.  It sounds like it's not bad.  I saw the before and afters and they look good.  I think I might try this if I get mine redone.  Right now I like having them out for a change.  Is Capelli hair good?
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stop on in- i work wed thru sat
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well I called them and they say they attach a tension strap to your hair for each weft which is then attached to the tension strap with 5-6 locs. They also do some combination of braiding synthetic hair and locs to attach it. They say they guarantee no damage to your own hair and stock all the hair their shop. They offer three packages depending on the volume you want. I think the patent might be on the "tension strap" and not necessarily the method. They said you can come down any day and take a look at an installation. Does anyone live near them? if so.....would you mind doing research for all of us and checking it out?

the cost ranges from $235 -$500 (includes capelli hair and installation)

I am really curious about this method now Wink
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YEAH BUT HOW CAN THEY PATENT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT I CALL THE MALAYSIAN METHOD IF ITS WHAT YOU GUYS DESCRIBED^^^^^^^...AND THEY CERTAINLY DIDNT START THAT...
HMM..I WANT TO KNO TOO...I  HOPE OTHERS CHIME IN...
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did you see what the method looked like? did she show you it in someone's hair? It sounds like it a weft that is attached to the hair with locs or something similar but it is hard to tell as they don't really describe it or offer pics of the method.
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they do hairlocs- and they also do a wefted method
what did they quote u
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