Leia...quite genius! Not wacky at all girl! I have been following this thread and find it interesting but have to admit, its WAY over my head. But when you start talking crockpots...now your taking something I can understand! LOL
No,,.... HCHO 40percent.... that's really high.. That's super high percentage of hydrogen peroxide. Remember, cashmere is actually quite durable, that's why you can make such fine sweaters from it. That paper looks to me like you can soak the hair in 40percent peroxide for 10 or 15 days at room temp. or just above (heat helps) and strip the hair. Think of when you were a kid and spent the day in the pool .... all summer long. Give it a try. Christina
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yeah, they only use 1-8% max on their testing, and that is over a short period. Soaking for 15-20 days would be using the lowest amount of Hydrogen Peroxide possible. I will have to dilute it big time.
STS~sorry girl, didn't realize you converted the temp already!! I have to go get a crock pot!! Or does anyone have one that they can pop some water in, set on low heat and tell me what the temperature is? That would be great!!
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This was the response from the company in Italy that is the most successful at depigmentation. The other gentleman did say good luck getting anything out of them. ~ TOP SECRET all right~!!
Dear Madam,
Thanks for your inquiry, sent through by e-mail. It is both with wonder and surprise that we have read your letter. This is because, over the years we have been ask to depigment nearly every possible material or fiber one can imagine. Besides wool and speciality fibers (such as cashmere, camel, yak, mink,..aso) we have successfully processed dried flowers, austrich feathers and yes, even human hair. Of coarse every fiber reacts in another way, so hair extensions will probably give another result as f.i. cashmere. This because of the stucture of the fiber. However our technology is quite unique, and based on research or family has done over the last fourty years. Because we do a lot of commission work on fibers, you will certainly appreciate that we cannot share our know-how with other people. If you are intrested, we can offer you our services "on commission", wich means we can proces the extensions for you. This however, is only possible if what you mean with extension, is what we see as a loose fringe of human hair, wich is to be implanted or braided/woven into the exisiting hair. If this is the case, you can send us a few pieces, so we can run a free lab trial to see how the extensions react and how the result will be. With kind regards.
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This was another Italian cashmere lab that responded to my letter on the human hair depigmentation. They also want to conduct the tests for me and them of course work with me and we know what that means...... $$$$ Our first guy is the only one who has given us something to work with.
We know you are trying to develop a process to de-pigment human hair and we really think we can help you. Our Group has been working on cashmere's teatments for 20 years and we have now a special know-how about them. We have Overmeyer equipments and we are sure we can succeed in developing a special treatmen for human hair. At the moment our treatment NA.DE. (NATURAL DEPIGMENTATION) is very requested and it is the most gently lightening process available today.
Please, send us samples and we will be happy to make some trials fo you.
We remain at your complete disposal for further information. Please do not hesitate to contact us.
I wanted to wait for all the companies to respond first before trying all these chemicals.
SRR~where are you? you were going to conducting a test with oxyclean and 10 vol HP. That's been 19 days...........did you have any luck coming up with anything? I haven't seen you on the board again to ask.
Sas did you ever end up trying this? I am going to order from indian hair and since I will have a lot of it I would'nt mind trying this out on some.Just wondered where all your research took ya
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Someone should ask Mochachip for help. I think she works in a chemistry lab.
Too bad for our purposes this stuff needs to be agitated for days. If it was just for an hour like with the cashmere shomeone could set a crockpot on my washing machine
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okay, so Leia did an excellent job of translating everything. a
few things I think I can add to the discussion if we are considering
trying this.
1) wrt long periods of time with peroxide. yes you will want to
change it out because the peroxide degrades. But you need to be
careful how you dispose of the the peroxide solution because peroxides
degrade to ethers when exposed to oxygen and ethers explode.
Hydrogen peroxide is the safest one. heavily diluting with water
mitigates the problem. But using care is advised.
2) Formaldehyde is nasty carcingenic stuff. I'm not afraid of
chemicals as a general rule but please use care (ventilation gloves
etc).
3) I think all of the acids listed would be available in powedered
forma dnt hen you could mix with water for what you needed. this
has many advantages. You don't have to store acids in your house
just their salts. shipping water is heavy/expensive and that's
what most of it would be. shipping acids is expensive, because of
the risks, but shipping their salts is much less risky and therefore
much less expensive.
4) I have this contraption that I actually bought commercially for my
lab. Oddly enough it also uses Iron Sulfate. more
importantly it uses basically a fish tank heater and fish tank bubbler
to keep the temp even and the agitation going. You
could easily mod a standard fish tank bubbler to meet your needs.
buy a bunch of cheap teflon (cause the acids won't degrade it)
tubing. hook it into the fish tank bubbler. poke lots of
tiny holes along the length of the tubing. arrange the tubing on
the bottom of your experimental chemistry vessel. voila steady
mild agitation. I doubt fish tank heaters need explanation but
I'm sure one can be aquired cheaply and easily for the necessary temp
range.
okay I'm going to review this againa nd see what I forgot.
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I'm on DAY 99 of testing!! I have gone through 3.5 kilos of
Indian hair on this test.....My house has looked like a vat factory
for the last 3 months or so. I have another test starting tomorrow
and will be done in 20 days. That will be it for a while, as I need
my house back!! The documenting will take up sooo much
time....I'm kinda burnt out on this experiment but it was worth
ALL the work!! I now have great respect for the GL process!!
Thank's SAS. I would have been surprised if you had not tryed this after all the research you did I can't wait to here your results. You go Sas, ya little mad scientis
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