Haven't been reading or posting too much but this one was quite entertaining.
I thought a forum was to exchange information, knowledge and ideas without judgement or expecting anything in return except the pleasure of sharing a common interest?
It's frigin hair we are discussing not a heart operation performed by a layperson!
As usual, I'm on the opposite end of the majority. Aphrodite, I was always told that no question is a stupid question except the one that was not asked.
Tangles, your response to Aphrodite's question appeared very judgemental and condesending by boasting about your skills as a professional extensionist and tearing hers down. Perhaps a private email might have made your attempt to "educate her" more sincere?
Aphrodite apologized for the remark about the speling errors and you are now going to "find out" about licensure?
Metal, a real genuine spiritual person does not attempt to make oneself feel better by putting others down.
And were all entitled to our own opinion and this is a forum.......so thats mine
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Posted: January 21 2006 at 11:16am
I wasn't putting anyone down, only stating the facts. I said her questions were asinine, not stupid because someone who is a so called professional and charging money for hair extension services should not be asking such basic questions that demonstrate lack of knowledge that will put client's hair in jeopardy of being ruined.
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Posted: January 21 2006 at 11:34am
Lisa,
What do you think the word "asinine" means? The word literally means "utterly stupid", "like an ass"....look it up...
You are completely rude yet you do not acknowledge or see your rudeness and mistaken statements. How do you know what, or if, I charged any of the people referred to in my questions money? You don't. You and Tangles have made so many assumptions that are just incorrect, and quite frankly none of your business.
Stick to what you know. You have a lot of knowlegde to share about hair but please refrain from judging people, and assuming you know too much about what they are or are not doing. You think you are stating facts but you are making judgments and stating your opinions. At least be honest about what they are.
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Posted: January 21 2006 at 11:48am
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aphrodite-
im sorry i jjust dont get it, you are a liscensed stylist doing extensions on paying clients and you dont know how to remove the ones you are installing? shouldnt you have first practiced and learned on a doll head before you did on a client?
i am sorry if asking this question to aphrodite mader her think i was assuming anything, as i stated i was just trying to understand why she didnt FIRST practice before hand. IF that offended you Aphrodite- as i stated in my post, i WAS NOT trying to hurt you, and you know what it did, so for that, I apologize. That was not my intention AT ALL.
whether she charged or not is not my concern.
Yes maybe its not heart surgery, however, i have had so many clients come to me from someone elses chair with disasters beyond repair. That to them is very painful. And that was and is my concern for anyone espicially working in a Salon, doing extensions without compeltly knowing how to remove them.
Regarding liscensing in each state- Aphrodite- told me to research before i make a statement, and that is exactly what i in the process of doing, it has nothing to do with her statements about my spelling and grammer. She apologized for that and i have forgiven her.
As it was stated by both Aphrodite and myself, WE are moving on.
Bringing beauty, one head at a time...
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Posted: January 21 2006 at 11:59am
Tangles...just FYI...I did practice beforehand. That is my whole point. You have made assumptions that just weren't true.
I don't disagree one bit with what you are saying about people needing to practice a lot, and really know what they are doing prior to charging big bucks. Again, my point is : how do you know I have not practiced, and how do you know what, if anything, I charged anyone. By making comments about me as if they were facts, it comes across as defamation.
I respect your knowledge. I respect Metal's knowledge ( although I now have little personal respect for her).
You know, something you both have overlooked is that I quite honestly do not know what "class" out there I could take that would be better than me spending months, and coutless hours on this board. I sought out Metal and flew to California so she could teach me. I truly thought, and still think, that I had an awesome teacher. Whether you like it or not, you are my teacher. Because of you, Metal, sherrie and many more, I am very confident in my abilities and am becoming swamped with clients. For that, I thank you.
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Posted: January 21 2006 at 12:27pm
Just a tidbit of Info....Ive researched Ohios laws...and here is the jist of the Natural stylist license necessary in Ohio...NOT a cosmotology license...this is a brief overview of the State bill. Its 450 hours in Ohio for a natural stylist license....compared to 1500 for a cosmotology license. I have YET to find ANYWHERE in the bill that excludes cutting of the extension hair.....still searching!
The bill creates the State Board of Natural Hair Styling to license natural hair stylists, natural hair styling salons, and schools of natural hair styling. For purposes of the Natural Hair Stylists Law, the "practice of natural hair styling" is defined as work done for a fee or other form of compensation by any person utilizing techniques performed by hand that result in tension on hair roots, such as twisting, wrapping, weaving, extending, locking, or braiding of the hair, and which does not include the application of dyes, reactive chemicals, or other preparations to alter the color or to straighten, curl, or alter the structure of the hair. A "natural hair stylist" is defined as any person who for a fee or other form of compensation engages in the practice of natural hair styling
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Posted: January 21 2006 at 1:55pm
I guess I am not quite sure why anyone would be interested in knowing what all states say or do when it comes to cutting of extension hair, I guess it is really only pertinent to those of us whthout a license, who want to be an extensionist and charge for it.
If Tangles has a special interest in researching all state laws, that is I guess her decision. My point to her was that before making a statement as to a law, she should educate herself on that particular situation as to not make statments that are incorrect.
When I did my research in my state, they actually did not have an answer for me right away because the cutting of extensions hair only was not contemplated in the written requirements. They had to refer my question to their in -house counsel. Although it is still not written, I was given the go ahead because there is currently nothing excluding cutting extension hair. For me, I still have to coordinate with someone who can properly finish cut my client's hair. This is not a problem because I will have many stylists in my salon that can help me.
I'm hoping we can let this topic drop, and get on with what are all trying to do our best at. That is, be the best professionals we can, share with each other, and play nice.
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Posted: January 21 2006 at 2:26pm
This is an informational board and I'm sad to see this thread is still going on. No question is a dumb question. I've used the same fusion on my clients for over a year and no 'take out' is ever the same. Sometimes I can get out a full head of extensions in 1 hour and sometimes it takes me 4 hours. That's quite a difference in time considering that both clients did not have matteing or knotting. It seems that certain products used at home can change or alter the texture of bonds and make them harder to get off (in my opinion). I'd love to know a different product to get those 4 hour jobs done quicker and that does not mean I don't know what I'm doing. It's a fact that not all 'take outs' are the same and Aphrodite may have just run into one of those longer 'take outs'. She trusts us here on the board and asked for our advice.
Something to think about: I've heard that all Shrinkies come out with oil- well what about the often poster who says they have a couple pesky bonds that won't budge. They took out the majority of the bonds out with oil and practiced with no problems but now some of them have just become stuck. We advise them to try a second way to remove them using acetone- we don't tell them they are unskilled.
There are certain removers that work better for certain people and I love knowing what works for each and every one of you so I can better my knowledge. I use acetone to take out my shrinkies but I know many of you use oil. There's not one correct way- it's whatever works for you. Aphrodite was just asking if anyone knew a second option. I would have chimed in a while back but I've never used EM and I wasn't qualified to awnser the question at hand.
As for spelling and grammar- this is a casual board so who cares if there are some misspelled words. I have a 4 year degree from a Cal State Univ but I'm sure you can find tons of gramatical mistakes in my posts. This board is not my life-it's a hobbie. I jump on here, answer what I can quickly , and I get on with my life. Obviously my major was not English
I hope this does not deter you from posting on the board Aphrodite. Boards like this are what every extension stylist should be reading to further their knowledge of extensions.
Tangles and Aphrodite have agreed to let this thread die so let's let that happen
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