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    Posted: April 18 2006 at 10:21pm

I did my first install Sat with pro tac. Tonight, Tues, I washed my whole head with matrix amplifying shampoo and conditioner.....

I had my top row at the crown come half way out, had to reinstall that one completely, and the bottom two in a few spots had slipage. Should I be using a different shampoo or what are some ways to help prevent slipage after washing? Or maybe I did something during installation that could've caused it?

Any ideas or tips would be GREATLY appreciated! Otherwise the hair, ect looks GREAT!

Thanks,Sheri

 

 

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The hair needs to be super clean and dry for an install with pro-tac.

Wash with a non moisture shampoo, or a clarifying shampoo and dry well immediately before install. No conditioners.

Did the tapes seem secure before washing?

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i had done a test run with protac when i first started using it,

these are the mistakes i made and learned from:

using a moisturizing shampoo up near the tape (now i use Pantene clarifying shampoo up on my scalp and the tape area and a sulfate free moisturizing shampoo on the length of my extensions no where near the tapes)

forgetting to keep leave in conditioner/spray in conditioner away from the tapes too...(now i gather the extension length in a pony tail and am careful to spray leave in conditioner ONLY on that, if i need conditioning on my crown i have learned to put my head forward, work the conditoner in with that section pulled in my face and rinse under the running water...then i dry it really well before letting it flop back where it may be touching the Protac....yes, i am OCD!)

when i brush my hair, its always with holding my hair in my fist so that there is NO pulling against the tapes

i use a loop brush up on my crown because it doesnt have the ability to snag against the Protac, even though the tape is in there snug my real hair is thin and fine and if i pull it and snap any of it off.....i will just DIE

once i am done shampooing i pat along the tapes with the towel and whip out my ion hairdryer and shoot it on the tapes to dry them well

good luck, and practice makes perfect!

 

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well said nursie!
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Amen, what they said....I've learned the hard way as well. My first 2 or 3 installs didn't hold up well because I had too much product on my hair. I now make sure it is really clean with NO conditioner put on before install... then I add my IC straightening serum from Sallys.... Which by the way if you have dry frizzy hair... works wonders. I put that on and then use my curling flat iron to smooth the hair.... or curl with curling iron... either way I then can go a day or two without adding anymore IC  straightening serum... it seems to re-activate when using the curling iron and smooths it back down.  Hairspray is another key element for me... I finally started using a hairspray that doesn't cause build-up and can be brushed out everyday. This way I can go a week without washing my hair.

I also use the proclaim from sallys to reinforce my protac and that keeps it from slipping. Haven't done a take down yet so I have no idea how hard this proclaim glue is to get out. Any suggestions....acetone or amms orange oil remover???????



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Current install-Bohyme Bodywave #30 and #14 in the straight hair/ they didn't have the #14 in bodywave, so I mixed them...works great!
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I'm a little confused.  You use the proclaim how?  And you put the IC on before you install your wefts??  Maybe I have'nt had enough coffee yet today, but I am totally confused.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sassyhair Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:42am
To get Proclaim glue out all you need to do is to use the Proclaim shampoo remover, its a real gem and works a treat, if you shampoo all around the area it will start to break it down.  I took out my protac with this then used cheap Asda conditioner to go over it.  Leaves no residue at all.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JeepGirl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2006 at 12:30pm

Lol...I use the proclaim when I start to have any slippage areas.....and the IC serum I use after install. My hair is really dry and frizzy and the serum works for me to make my hair soft to the touch.

 I don't put anything on my hair until complete install is in and done.

Sorry if I didn't explain that very well.... but in my head it sounded great.... BUT.... I may of had more coffee than you guys.

Hopefully that is as clear as mud. LOL

 

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Current install-Bohyme Bodywave #30 and #14 in the straight hair/ they didn't have the #14 in bodywave, so I mixed them...works great!
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Is the Proclaim dark colored glue as easy to use and get out as the
Proclaim for lighter hair?
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I find the white coloured glue easier to get out than the darker.
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Oh wow, the dark proclaim, made me want to cry. It was not good at all. I
didn't use the shampoo, but I used just about everything else you can
imagine to get it out, nothing worked besides combing and pulling!!

I would not suggest using that.

As well as what nursie said, amen. Well put. I've found I can even get
conditioner on the tapes and they still stay!! My vices: Leaving it wet for a
while, pulling (like combing) while wet.

Before installing, get the hair as dried out as possible, I wash my hair with
dishsoap, like, 5 times, then blowdry it to death, so it's REALLY dry, and
then install. I think that's the most important thing of all...
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I thought I'd remembered hearing bad things about the dark
Proclaim. Chrissy V dark brown, on the other hand, is a cinch to
remove. I guess I'll just keep using that. My one bottle of Chrissy V
is really lasting and hasn't gotten gunky yet. I've been keeping it in
the refrigerator and only taking it out right when I need it, then
putting it right back in, and storing it in an airtight container.

As far as products to keep the wefts from falling out with Protac, I've
found that for me moisturizing shampoo and conditioner do nothing
to cause the tapes to loosen. I do install them very carefully, in
clean, dry hair. I use Sherrie's technique of pushing the hair down
hard onto the tapes using the side of a comb. I push and push and
run my fingers along the top and along the sides of the bond, making
sure that my hair is pressed tightly to every place on the tape. I
don't wet my hair or shampoo for a few days after installation, either.    
Once the Protac has "set" I can brush my hair and tug on it hard,
even when it is wet, and have no slippage of the tapes.

The other thing I've found that seems to be keeping the wefts in
more securely is to place them in smaller pieces rather than in one
long piece around my head. I find that the flatter the wefts lay
against my head the longer the tapes seem to hold. With my head at
least, there is no way to place "horseshoe" shaped wefts completely
flat. I also find it much easier to get really good placement of the
wefts when the are not so long.
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AH HA!   I know now what I did wrong!!!!    I colored and washed my hair, no conditioner. It may have still been a little too damp for the install..... plus I'd just colored my wefts and thought they were dry enough for the install... maybe not 

 

Thank you SO much for the advice. This weekend I plan on taking them out and reinstalling! 

Sheri

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Oh yes, I did that too. One time my wefts were just a wee bit wet (and I
was anxious) and I realized luckily before the install that they wouldn't
stick in the pro-tacs.

Also, I blow dry my hair and just wait about 15 minutes, sometimes the
heat fools you and makes it feel like it's dry, but once it cools down you
realize it's not fully dry.

Oh yeah, one last thing (sorry I've had lots of trial and error with
pro-tacs) when you fold the tapes over on the wefts, blast it with the blow
dryer on high, then take like the back of the comb or something hard,
and really press it down on there. Then, when installing, do the same,
blast it and press it down really hard in your hair. It seems like it helps
the tapes melt some and stick better.
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Thanks Nakedeye, that's a great idea to sort of seal the sandwich-protac together with heat.  I've also gone over it rather quickly acouple of times with a small flat iron (before removing the paper strips from the adhesive part, and also used my wand once too, which worked fine. I've only used the protac 4 times now, on clients and once on myself and think it's really the most state of the art technique.....on the market today.  It's so new that no one in my area knows about it (Central Coast CA) Ya can't beat the time element and the simplicity of the technique.

thanks again, autumn

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some great ideas girls....
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Yeah the flat iron thing was really a good idea, im gonna do it next time!
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has anyone tried the contoured tapes for the top row? 

none of them seem to come in the protac tape, but i would imagine the curv would really make things easy.
what I'm wearing: 1 pkg 18" DLux SS #2 and protac
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No, I haven't tried those, i can't imagine it! I see the pictures and stuff,
but when I think of it, it just doesn't make sense to me!

Plus, I still love smaller strips, I think they stay in a lot better, and are alot
more comfortable.

I'm kinda a stick in the mud, can you tell??

Let me know if you try them though, I would be interested to know how
they work!
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hey there naked eye, you're by no means a stick in the mud! Since I'm a new-found believer in the tape methods....here's something I did that seem to take care of that 'conturing' challenge of the top roll...and actually now that I think about it the whole head. I cut stips of about 2 1/2" to 3" wide of the tape and did the brick layer method on my own head to see how it felt. It was much better than a one long piece in the back (from ear to ear say) and absoluted no bunching or tauntness on the head or hair. Kind of reminds me of when sewing something on a curve or rounded edge and cutting the material so that the edge lays flat. With smaller strip sizes up higher in the back, the head is rounder....good grief, enough! ha

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