Best thing since Amm's razor

Metalgirl, I wasn't specifically referencing any attitude that you may or may not have. I have appreciated your willingness to share your expertise online with us at HB.com.

My comment about attitude was about any cosmetology professional who becomes angry and defensive when a non-professional seeks to find ways to have access to the same quality products that professionals use. Again, I appreciate the proprietary relationship between cosmetologists and professional products vendors. However the degree to which some cosmetologists become hysterically angry defending their territory is obnoxious and downright silly to me. It is as if no one but a licensed cosmetologist could possibly use the products safely, and that the odd DIYer here or there who chooses to find ways to access professional products will somehow take business from the professionals to the point that business will suffer.

I figured out a way to purchase Schwarzkopf professional hair color online--I use it properly, attain great results, and wouldn't go back to having a professional do my color even if I had to resort to purchasing an inferior product. The hysteria that I've experienced when discussing what I've done with some cosmetologists rivals how someone might react to being told one is a fan of molesting little children.

I'm a licensed Marriage & Family therapist, and have owned my own successful private practice for over 20 years now. It required a LOT more education and training than most if not all cosmetologists undergo in their entire careers. Yet, I've never begrudged the person who sought out a friend, a pastor, or another lay counselor to help them with their problems. Sure, that non-professional might do more harm than good for the person. Sure, it might be a patient that I could've had for myself. But I know that sometimes lay counselors do as well if not better when helping a person in need. I'm also confident that I'm good enough at what I do that I'll never lack for the business I need to remain successful.

Apparently you don't need a beautician's license to purchase the Mark B. shrink links, he PM'd me himself a while ago and offered to sell them to me.

LMAO kristie m

http://www.putfile.com/beaucouphair/media I made a little clip in light of all this, hope nobody gets offended!

I do my color at home and I DO expect to be able to get the professional products I prefer. One just has to know where to look...

    

i agree with what everything naildiva has  said, and i also agree with some of  what sherrie has said- "its the actual extension training and experience that makes one a professional extensionist".

Shirilyn, I think we are "getting along" here. We're discussing an issue that is relevant for professionals and non-professionals alike. Sometimes when people disagree the tone can get unpleasant, but I'll try to keep my post to the point.

I touch my roots up every two weeks. There is no way I'd be running to the salon that often for what I can do just as well at home without the hassle of having to go to another hair appointment. My reason for doing my color at home, as well as my extensions, manicures, pedicures and body hair epilation, has little to do with saving money and everything to do with time, convenience, and the fact that I don't find going to the "beauty parlor" a treat. For hair coloring I prefer to use professional products but would use non-professional products if that were all that was available to me. My stylist sees me for haircuts but isn't losing out on any business because I do my own color.

You stated in your post that nonprofessionals using professional products is akin to having bootlegged movies. I don't own a single bootlegged DVD, CD, video, or software product because I perceive doing so as participating in theft. We all have to support our families, and I agree that theft might interfere with this. But how is it theft when one is doing a cosmetology process on oneself that one would not go to a professional for, and when one is using a product for which one has paid full price from an authorized vendor?

Thank you, Diva!       

I'm in complete agreement with you about non-professionals who do other peoples' hair and charge for it not being allowed professional products, at the discretion of the product manufacturer. If you care enough to make and sell a quality product, your company's reputation is on the line. Having some assurance that the people promoting your product are trained and licensed in how to use such products is perfectly valid. We DIYers take responsibility for the use/misuse of the products we put on our own selves. If I f*ck up and end up with green hair, I sure won't be blamin' Mr. Schwarzkopf! It is my lame-assed self who didn't know which product to use or how to use it properly!   

Want to see a nuclear meltdown? Try refusing to sell even DIY products to the uneducated extensionist who charges for services. When they ask if the hairdryer will install and remove a shrinkie, when they ask how to take out fusion chips AFTER they've already been installed on clients, when they complain bonding strips caused an allergic reaction on a client when they failed to do a skin test, when they ask how to position a microring for removal because they doubled them over on a client's head, that's just unreal to me.


When I ask...

"What method worked best when you installed it on yourself?"
NO RESPONSE

"The hair turned bad after 2 weeks on your client? How long did it last for you?"
NO RESPONSE

"How did you care for this when you put it in on yourself?"
NO RESPONSE

"How did you remove that attachment when you put it in on yourself?
NO RESPONSE

"Why did you install on paying customers when you did not personally test it yourself?"
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Once the next purchase comes in and the refusal to provide products is in place, oooooo it gets colorful after that.

There's a good portion of newly sprouted DIY who have not found these boards and have NO clue how to work these products either but I have seen plenty of fine examples of those without a license doing excellent installs on themselves and others. Interesting point -- all the ones I've seen who have excellent installs on themselves do excellent installs on others as well. I attribute this directly to not using clients as guinea pigs. If one has a new product on Monday that they've never worked with and it's in a paying customer's hair on Tuesday, it's unexcusable.

I've read many times of the licensed cleaning up the work of other licensed. Myself, the worst hair disasters of my time were under the hands of the licensed and certified. Now, the licensed cleaning up extension work of the proficient DIY? This I've not heard of.

For me, licensed and unlicensed are only as good as their individual skills. There's good and bad in both groups.
    
    

Edited by amm - June 14 2006 at 4:35pm

amm wrote: Want to see a nuclear meltdown? Try refusing to sell even DIY products to the uneducated extensionist who charges for services. When they ask if the hairdryer will install and remove a shrinkie, when they ask how to take out fusion chips AFTER they've already been installed on clients, when they complain bonding strips caused an allergic reaction on a client when they failed to do a skin test, when they ask how to position a microring for removal because they doubled them over on a client's head, that's just unreal to me. When I ask... "What method worked best when you installed it on yourself?" NO RESPONSE "The hair turned bad after 2 weeks on your client? How long did it last for you?" NO RESPONSE "How did you care for this when you put it in on yourself?" NO RESPONSE "How did you remove that attachment when you put it in on yourself? NO RESPONSE "Why did you install on paying customers when you did not personally test it yourself?" BEGIN RECEIVING STREAM-OF-CONSCIOUSNESS EMAILS SPRINKLED WITH PROFANITY AND/OR KARMIC/UNIVERSE REVENGE