Jerry Hall - 6 inches of hair chopped off

Hi Holly,> So, what's the verdict? (to the statement you made> "The fashion industry thrives on change").> Of course, and all of these reasons are what drew me> here to begin with. Most of them are fashion> subjects-what shampoos make your hair do what you want> it to do, what balm makes it straight (the fashion now> is straight). See what I mean? So, I think if you> removed these articles of interest, there would be a> decline in visitors here. Hence,> the dependency on fashion. So I guess my question to> you "what's the verdict?" remains.There are separate issues (concern for the health of hair, and also concern for making it look "stylish") and the line between them may be blurred for some people. I see posts on HB from various people covering all bases.The fashion industry is (as is any industry) primarily driven by its own interests, which, for the fashion industry, are best served when people demand and consume their product. Individual consumers' "demands" for their product runs the gamut. Let's face it, if people were satisfied wearing the same gunny sacks year in and year out, the industry as we know it would fade into oblivion. I'm not advocating that happening, though. On the other hand, some people so live for fashion and trends that it seems they would feel somehow devoid of life itself if the industry failed to dazzle every season with exciting new fashions -- a perspective on life which I find curious, to put it mildly.> O.K., now help me out here. Is it the new tidal wave> subject for every talk show now buzz cuts? It seems> from what I'm hearing from a person who writes from> the states that all these shows have "buzz> cut" episodes. Why is this popular? No thanks,> none for me thank you!:)I'm not aware of this type of show happening these days. Although I do remember a couple years ago (1997) there was a bit of this. I remember some show on MTV whereby a group of guys all had their heads buzzed. Anyway, I don't think it's such a big deal anymore (i.e. "there's another guy who has a buzz cut -- ho hum").Dave

Hi Dawn,Well, I agree, anyhow. That was the gist of what I originally posted, and tha I hope i made clear. It didn't even look like that much was cut off of Jerry's hair. Furthermore, it's not always a big reason to want to cut your hair, no matter how short you go. The person just simply wants something different-not revenge-not "will it make my life better?". Karen didn't mention if this article was an actual interview with Jerry Hall so it's not for sure why she trimmed her hair. In the context of how important it is it demands a "who cares?" but for a topic for this board it's interesting to talk about.Holly

My former boyfriend made a big deal from day one that we met that he was wildly attracted to my waist length thick chestnut hair.After three years together when I found out he was cheating on me with a mutual friend I went home and took a scissors and hacked it off to my ears. He was horrified and I felt vindicated.It felt good and it helped me start my life over. From then on I never let a man's obvious interest in my hair be a major factor in forming a relationship.My husband has never known me with anything but bra length hair and he doesn't care.It is my opinion that Jerry cut her hair because she was cutting Mick out of her life. I know of other women who have done what I did, what JM did and what I believe Jerry did.Good for her. If it helps her get on with her life.> Hi Holly,> Exactly! I've always wondered why some women in this> position "sabotage"> themselves (deny themselves their preference). Sure> the man is gone but> so is their hair that they themselves loved!> And if they do that is their prerogative.> Very perceptive of you Holly :-) It could be taken> either way.> That is really only one of many possible reasons to> want to visit HB. Hair> Care is a BIG thing, and along those lines are the> product reviews... and of> course discussion boards on a range of hair-related> topics...> Just want to clarify... I agree that it isn't a big> difference. I hope> I didn't give the impression that I think she should> try something really> different! (maybe that's not what you meant to say?).> And of course, if> she wants to try something different, it's her> prerogative to do so.> Yes, long hair becomes her.> This seems a good time for me to clarify my opinion on> this topic.> Coercion and other societal pressures ARE AMONG a> number of reasons why> people cut their long hair. I realize that it's not> the only reason!> When I have spoken against those situations, it is a> criticism against> these demonstrations of personal incivility, and not a> slam against> every instance of a haircut!> Of course, even in the situation of a TV makeover show> with willing> candidates, some stylists or TV show hosts are very> inconsiderate, and> this lack of consideration is also despicable> (especially Montel Williams).> Even though I hadn't particpated in the discussion> about haircuts imposed on> children, I'm aware of many instances of parents> rending their children with> unwanted and severe haircuts.> A potentially interesting topic of discussion. I'm not> aware of the existence> of this pressure. Perhaps if some people are they> would like to share their> thoughts on the topic?> Well, not only. That doesn't make it justifiable,> though.> Dave

It> had nothing to do with his opinion of my hair length> (he really didn't care one way or another).I was referring to my ex-husband here, not my hairdresser.

> - And finally, for Dave a simple observation and not> an attempt at starting an argument, as I've had my> fill of those for a while. You wondered why Zorak and> Jena always assume that you think that if someone with> long hair cuts it, it is due to some coercive pressure> and not simply their decision. You're response is that> you don't think that, but do believe it may happen> sometimes.> Just something that I've noticed is that though you> may not think that it happens everytime, you tend to> interject that opinion into that vast majority of your> posts on this topic. In the very post I'm responding> to, for example, you said:> Again, I understand that you don't believe this is> true in all cases, but if you make this type of> statement in most reponses on this subject, can you> see how it could foster that impression? Like I said,> not trying to start and argument, just an observation> of how what you intended to say could have been> misconstrued.JerkyFlea,Not to be defensive about my having mentioned it in this particular post,but it was in response to what Karen had written. I hear you, though,and I do understand your message.Dave

>Hello Jena:I am going to use that in who pissed in your cheerio when I find someone around me in a bad mood. lolI just wanted to say something.A while back Ally made a comment about Alanis Morissette and I wrote and said that most Canadian love her the way she is and then Ally wrote back and said something about not wanted to start war war three with Canada. lol We ended up making a joke with the whole thing and I think Dave is suppose to start a long hair village or something lolThe point is at times we are fans and might come across very protective of of certain celebrities. Maybe Dawn really likes Jerry the way she looks. Jerry is an attractive woman and looks great the way she is .>Personally I never felt she needed to change anything about her looks.Have a nice hair day. Lets not allow this to get hairy okay.>>>>

I've always admired Jerry for knowing what looks fantastic on her and sticking with it regardless of the pendulum swings of fashion over the years, so perhaps this latest trim is just a bit of an attempt, as many people often do, to have the outside reflect or even instigate some inner personal change. (If she wanted to spite Mic, she'd cut off his girlfriends ponytail!) Anyway, its not too short though, still well below the shoulders, so not too drastic a departure from her usual classic long locks. As long as she did it for herself and not because she's starting to feel the "you're too old for long hair" pressure its cool.As far as her hair being thin or just lying against her head, geez, what is hair supposed to do? Stand on end? Stick six or eight inches out from the head? Poof up like a balloon? Hair doesn't naturally do those things, it lays, sleek and graceful like Jerry's. (Ok, if you have naturally curly hair it can do those things, and they look great too if thats your type and texture of hair but not everyone's hair will or can look like that.) Now if reproduced big hair is your thing, more power to you as well, but I don't see anything so very wrong with the way straight hair is in its natural state. Some people actually prefer their hair that way. I'm betting Jerry looks just like that even when she rolls out of bed in the morning. Thats one of the perks of natural hair. I don't see why she should add bangs or change anything. This is the style she's obviously decided is what suits her and what she likes. If that doesn't gibe with some excrutiatingly exacting standard of beauty or perfection, well, perhaps that overly critical standard needs revising, not Jerry's hair. I mean if someone as lovely as Jerry isn't good enough just the way she is, who would be? It seems exceedingly hypercritical to me. Just makes me wonder, if the critics were to be judged by their own standards, how would they rate? After all, isn't it more than a little bit pompous to view and judge others only through the narrow lense of how closely they do, or do not adhere to the constraints of our own delicate aesthetic sensibilities? Is everyone in the world obligated to follow some mandated code of external beauty so as not to offend others who might be forced to look at them? Ouch. So restrictive. When I look at a person, these critiques are not what comes to my mind at all, I always figure they have very good personal reasons for the choices they've made and its solely their perogative. Who am I to judge those choices?Very best wishes to all,Dawn> Greetings from Boston where I am reading everything I> can get my hands on while I wait for my flight back to> Dallas to avoid boredom and to catch up on my reading> materials. :-)> I just read in two separate new articles that Jerry> Hall, of Mrs. Rolling Stone fame and admired for her> waist length tresses has just "chopped off a good> 6 inches".> Apparently the recent divorce/annullment/whatever has> motivated her to search for new ways to live her life> and that includes chopping 6 inches of her glorious> blonde locks.> I am saddened that she did this since I always admired> her willingness to sport her long locks even as she> approached her 40s.> Unfortunately the fashion industry puts tremendous> pressure on long haired people to conform and many> women feel the need to cut their hair during major> times of life change like marriage, divorce, having> children...etc.,> The sad thing is that so many approve of Jerry's new> shorter look. Again an indicator of society and the> need to conform.> Thoughts?> Best wishes,> Karen

Hi,> - Quick agreement with Jena on the bang issue. Jerry> has a very high forehead, much like Helen Hunt, and> would really benefit from having a small fringe of> bangs. I've always though her hairline looked like it> started a bit to far back NOT to have bangs.Hey, I called that first! (Big pout, temper-tantrum).Just kidding, but hey, it isn't often as of latethat I get a (public)agreement on something I said!:))> Just something that I've noticed is that though you> may not think that it happens everytime, you tend to> interject that opinion into that vast majority of your> posts on this topic. In the very post I'm responding> to, for example, you said:> Again, I understand that you don't believe this is> true in all cases, but if you make this type of> statement in most reponses on this subject, can you> see how it could foster that impression? Like I said,> not trying to start and argument, just an observation> of how what you intended to say could have been> misconstrued.Not actually wanting to get into it(at least not strongly) again, either, but this did sum up one of my points on what I've been trying to say to Dave on this thread, and my last thread mainly between Dave and I.HollyHolly

Hi Dave,Well, I think for the most part we finally found some common ground!:)> Of Ms. Hall's hair, Jena wrote that it seems to be> "pasted against> her head which I think is highly unflattering?"> No way! Bangs?> IMHO, nope! She doesn't need them :-) [OK, enough of> MY style> critique]Fair enough.> I wonder if she cut her hair to spite> Mick? (pure> speculation on my part).Actually, I never thought of that one (for a reason why Jerry may have cut her hair). If it were so (I know it's only speculation) I think it would be one of the dumbest moves ever made for ones self. I've read of women cutting their hair when their relationships go sour because their men liked it long-but if YOU (the woman) likes it long, then where does that leave you? I don't understand women that do that-unless of course they want the change for themselves, for other reasons than spiting their former boyfriend/husband.> The fashion industry thrives on people's desires for> change.I'm not sure if you mean this is negative or not. When you think about it, this very site is dependent partly on fashion (and therefore "change")because there's always new people being interested in surfing to it for different hair ideas. If that weren't so, there wouldn't be different hairstyle pictures to view-short AND long.> Zorak wrote: "Why do long-hair fans ALWAYS assume> that people cave in> to pressure when they cut their hair? Why do they> always assume that> the only rational reason to cut one's long hair short> is to "get rid> of the damaged ends?"This is more for Zorak, since I think (because of what I wrote in an earlier post to this thread) this last part might pertain to me, from:> the only rational reason to cut one's long hair short> is to "get rid> of the damaged ends?"Just to clarify myself, I think that there are many reasons why women (or men) cut their hair to one length or another. Some reasons are positive, others negative (as I elaborated on above).One reason I assume that damaged ends might be one of the first reasons a person trims it is that obviously it takes time and patience to get long hair. As someone who loves long hair on myself and others, I just think to myself why I would cut my hair 6 inches and really that would be the first reason, and knowing how others have also given time and patience to grow their hair long, I think it's just a natural assumption to think of it as the first reason why someone would trim off their hair. Especially when (IMHO)the look isn't all that different than before. I don't think it's the only rational reason, though. I understand that feeling to try a different look, and have given thought(but only very rarely) to cut my hair into a differnt style-but because of my prefernce for the look my hair at this length, I don't do it. I just know I'll be sorry afterwards. I just don't think it's such a different look on Jerry that it really makes that much difference. You seem to agree because of your statement in your post that she should try something really different. Nothing wrong with trying something different except I just agree with Jena that she needs to keep her hair on the long side-I don't think she would look as nice with short hair.> To Zorak (and Jena),> I don't believe either of these statements. What I> would like> to know is why you assume that fans of long hair abide> by a standard> party line (i.e. are of one mind)? I have spoken in> the past against> coercive pressures but I do not and would never assume> that (a) a given> haircut decision was due only, or even in part, to> such pressures, or> (b) that there is only one rational reason to cut> one's hair.> Is it not alright with you that I have raised the> issue of coercive> pressure as an unfortunate reason for SOME people> having cut their hair?Even though this question wasn't directed at me, respectfuly I'd like to address it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is a feeling among some here because of certain posts in the past where topics such as make-overs have been accussed of coercing people into shorter styles, and some did not agree, and were told by others that there seems to be a conspiracy to make short haired person out of everyone. I'm not trying to start (or stop) a new thread on make-overs, and I don't think that this was the ONLY topic that has made people feel as if many long hair fans think the only reason people cut their hair is because of coercion. However,these shows have been on such a long time now (UNFORTUNATELY!!) that people ought to know what they are getting into when they want to have a make-over on those programs. That's not really the point here though. Yes, I myself have thought that many times they should have left the hair long and maybe just style it different. There does seem to be an obvious dislike (or what it really is in most cases, in my opinion, is a fear, due to obvious business reasons)among SOME stylists, but certainly not all. Also, some stylists just like to show off their artistic talent. If the client is willing-why not? Yes, on these shows they have put people on the spot, but I'm now talking real day-to-day life. No one is forcing anyone to cut their hair-unless it's a poor unfortunate child like the one written about in another post.Maybe I'm out of it living away from the States, but I always thought the pressure was on for women (in order to please men's tastes)to have LONG hair? I thought the short hair pressure mainly only happenned in business settings?I would think for the most part the long hair issue would really be the other way around.Add this one to the long list of us manifesto-writers!:))Holly

> That will make long hair even more of a rarity, and> you'll stand out as a treasure! :-)Very cute Jena, very cute lolLong hair has its moment being a disavantage. You would have rolled around laughing seeing me at the lake. First this really ugly oversize cricket got into my hair and I if I had my hair in a ponytail I would have been warn a lot sooner of the coming attack. I was in the car at the time and boy oh boy did I drove like a drunk driver as I tried to get that thing out of hair and it landed on the side conpartment so I had one eye on the road and other on the insect. Then Jena I pulled over to a side road and had 20, 30 bees all around the car and I quickly did my little dance as we all do with bees and ran into the car. Of course I can't forget the king of all king spiders that zoom right past my hair and I ran into the cottage locking the door just in case the spider learned how to open doors lol. ( poking fun at me)My hair can be used as an advantage when I first learned of the mole in the cottage. My youngest wore goggles and a safety life jacket to go to bed at first. Me, hell I wasn't so brave when it was time to go to bed, I neatly had my hair wrap around my head to protect my ears just in case lol.Jena I was thinking. Maybe after I grow my hair really really long maybe I can license it as a weapon because I can tie it in a braid and whip any one that is bad lol