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    Posted: March 05 2006 at 6:09pm
Am I blind or has the posting been removed?

Why? Was it too aggressive?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2006 at 6:26pm
Yes it does seem to be removed.
The truth really does'nt have too hurt.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2006 at 6:28pm

It wasnt about the truth hurting Mark

There was alot of self promoting going in the thread and due to the fact that Amm is our girl the entire post had the potential to turn into a big ugly mess....which is probably why it was deleted but I cant speak for the Admin...just my opinion



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2006 at 6:46pm
I apologize if my reply seemed to aggressive, I don't want to upset the flow or create bad karma. But I have an obligation to my company's investment.So I just want to let people know ShrinkLinks are available to uncertified stylists as long as they are licensed.Our ShrinkTip hair and our certified version ShrinkLinks will only be available to our certified customers.This is mainly for industry standard control and client safety.Sometimes you have to invest in your profession I respect all hair stylists after all we know what it takes to become licensed and to keep up with advanced training.We do not believe in over saturation of the market so we do want to leave our certified products for those who take the time to be certified through our courses.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2006 at 7:27pm
Mark are you aware that there are several states that do NOT require a license to do hair extensions as a profession? What about those people who are operating a legitimate business in there state? Will they be allowed to purchase or take your class?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2006 at 7:39pm
How much will the uncertified shrinkies be?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2006 at 7:52pm
Hi sherrie215,
Yes we are aware that most states don't require a state license. However we do. Reasons being mainly client safety and promotion of the professional industry.Now don't get me wrong I am not knocking the DYI's but we try to keep some integrity for the professional market.We have just made a recent decision to service the uncertified but licensed professional with our uncertified version of our product.Paul Mitchell Co. has recently gone through the same situation.Copying is the most sincere form of flattery however we are about absolute quality.
Thank You All for understanding.
P.S. Even our overseas customers are lincensed but not all are certified.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2006 at 7:54pm
Hi smshands,
They will be very close if not a better price.
We will notify on pricing.
Thanks for understanding
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2006 at 8:09pm

The reason the thread was deleted was that we received 5 complaints in less than one hour specifically directed at the blatant advertising that was included in two of the original posts.  I was asked to ban one of the people advertising but decided to let it go for now to see if we can try this topic again because AMM is very near and dear to all of us here. 

There is a very fine line here on this board and to be honest, to try and maintain fair boundaries, we created a Salon Directory for anyone that wanted to aggressively advertise their services.  The cost of the directory is competitive with other similar directories and basically covers our costs.

Any of you that maintain a salon or have a business understand that you have to pay to run that business.  Of course you might be a little upset if someone posted their ads with their phone numbers or web site on the outside of your building where you were paying rent and running a respectible hair extension business.

We are in the same boat here.  I have always strived to provide a community that was a fun, friendly and informative place to be.  I have resisted charging for anything on the site, other than in our store.  Recently the cost of hosting the site has gone wild and so we sell Goggle ads and other advertising to help keep the site free.

However, when people use the boards for "free advertising" it is definitely a problem. Not only from the ethical sense but once someone starts there are flocks of others behind them.  :-)

Ironically, when someone posts advertising on this board and it is removed, someone from HB.com contacts the advertiser asking if they would like to advertise in the Salon directory or on the site.  Of course none of you will be surprised to know that not one of the people that have ever posted their advertising illegally here has ever agreed to be listed in the directory.  Nor have they agreed to buy banner ads or similar.

In one case, I personally called a woman in Atlanta who posted a series of 20 ads over a three day period.  She screamed at me on the phone and then hung up on me and said "the Internet is free for everyone".  That gave us all a good laugh.

But I digress....................

As a result of all this and the fact that we try to be fair to all who visit here....there is zero tolerance on any attempts for anyone to cross the line.  The majority of the people here do an excellent job of discussing their business within reason and appropriately.  And I really appreciate that very much.  So thank you all.

When the line is breached...the HB Admin Team will delete it immediately.

That's just business.  You all understand that I am sure.

And by the way....it has been a rough couple of days here with various attacks on long term valued members so the Admin team is a little quick on the delete fingers.  I apologize for any inconvenience in advance and thank you all for your posts and participation.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2006 at 8:13pm
hmmmm....guess I just need to start doing some research! Since you choose to not sell to the DIYer or unlicensed extensionists ( and thats fine, its a business decision)  then you shouldnt have a problem with me purchasing my own heat shrink tubing...correct?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2006 at 9:44pm
Dear Karen,
Forgive me for not understanding your policies prior to replying to this topic.This is a very confusing topic I understand and I was just trying to give correct info on ShrinkLinks. Because shrinkies product is in direct violation of U.S. Patent  laws and we are trying to inform the professional and consumer market the difference and why it really does matter.But out of respect for you as a pro and a business person we both know what an effort it takes.So I will not abuse your forum.I admire you for all your work this is a valuable tool for all.
I will also look into advertising on your sight can you give any stats and pricing.
Thanks,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2006 at 9:52pm

Mark -

What about all the other companies out there who call there products "shrinkies"?  Are they in violation of US patent laws too?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2006 at 9:54pm
I for one have always been very well aware of the Shrinklinks and Shrinkies being two completely different products.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2006 at 9:59pm
I certainly see the potential confusion that they are "all the same"....however, there are literally 10 or so (probably many more) companies out there offering "shrinkies" or "shrink tubes", or shrink links" etc.....how can they all be violating patent law?  There must be a certain criterion that they are meeting to be "different enough"....interesting..... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2006 at 10:02pm
I wonder if changing the name to "formerly-known-as-shrinkies" (remember Prince?) would be enough to get around the legalities....I know, Mark, you do not find that funny.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2006 at 10:05pm
I dont know what MB shrink tubes are made of, I assume some sort of medical grade tubing or electrical tubing. But the rest of the shrink tubes from these other companies are simply medical or electrical shrink tubing. So how can it be a crime to buy it and sell it?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2006 at 10:08pm
Yes Aphrodite any body selling or profiting in general on any hair attachment with shrink tubing of any sort. And we are on a very agressive campaign against all violaters sooner or later.When the patent runs out then it can be a literal free for all . But until then if you want to be legal and profiting by this product you must purchase through us or work out patent use licensing.That's the law.We are not meanies we just always do the right thing and respect all patent,trademark and copyright laws.Let alone the investment.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2006 at 10:13pm

ouchie ouchie...leave it alone



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2006 at 10:19pm

Interesting.  Honestly though Mark, I am a bit confused by your assuming that by only selling to licensed stylists that you are maintaining some sort of integrity to the application etc. etc.  MOST stylists do not know how to do extensions.  I would think that an alternate way to attempt to ensure consistency and quality would be to require the purchaser to have trained with your company, and passed some sort of proficiency.

In the past, I have purchased your ShrinkLinks indirectly through a "licensed" stylist that is willing to order them or me.  My point being, there are ways around everything.  "Licensing" assures you of nothing if your goal is to make sure those using your product know what they are doing.   I was very pleased with them, however, there are similar shrinkies out there that are just as good and cost much less so I do not use yours anymore. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2006 at 10:20pm
Ah...the eternal question: "Does a shrinklink by any other name smell as sweet?"

Fact: Whether they're marketed as shrinkies, shrinklinks, shink-a-doos, or shrink-a-roonies, adhesive-lined tubing--what ShrinkLinks essentially are--is fundamentally an inexpensive, widely available hardware-store product that can't be removed from the shelves. And its use as a hardware product far predates its use as a hair one.

This entire debate, and what sounds like a lot of intimidation frankly (I do *not* know the specifics here but am basing my observations on this threads and similar ones I've observed for more than a year now), seems unfortunate. If MB does not intend to distribute to DIYers, which is certainly his prerogative, I can't understand why he'd object to others marketing shrink tubing for at-home use. If the DIYers don't get it from those souces, they'll just find others, believe me.

Also, MB might want to remember that the popularity of shrink tubing in general has skyrocketed over the past year and a half as a direct result of the information and tutorials DIYers have posted on these very boards. Potential clients who might've been skeptical about the concept have seen these results and embraced the idea of shrink tubing--something that can only benefit his company (many people come here for info. but don't intend to DIY it).

Simply put, they see the gorgeous results DIYers like AMM, Sherrie, and others post, and they want a similar method done by a professional. Where do they turn? In many cases, MB. Not a bad form of advertising, now is it? Just search these boards, and see how many times your company name or initials have been cited. Now, that's some priceless free advertising! (This is not to mention that the trends and results posted here are picked up by other sites all over the Internet--so there's serious viralocity beyond what you're even seeing here.)

Now, will MB snag every potential shrink-tube client on the planet if Doc Locks and shrinkies.net sell them too? Well, no. I suppose he won't. But when there are so many other methods to choose from--fusion, pinch, heat-seals, Pro-tac, etc.--I think he'd be wise to embrace anyone who's keeping the shrink-tubing method front and center. In the world of extensions, methods go in and out of vogue so quickly....

And personally, I'd never even heard of MB or shrinklinks until the DIYers started posting about it here. Only then did I learn of MB, and I'm not exactly an extensions newbie (as evidenced by my voluminous posting here). So, if anything, the DIY crew has only increased MB's branding.

Remember, business does not have to be a zero-sum game. It *is* possible for everyone to benefit.

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