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    Posted: April 16 2007 at 10:18pm
I've been trying to learn about the origins of the hair we love and I've been thinking... where the heck does Bohyme hair come from? Is it Indian? Asian? I know it was coarser when I felt it than the Russian hair I'm wearing now. It seemed as course as the Wagman Indian hair I used to wear. I got to wondering about this the other day. And does Bohyme have its cuticle intact or is it processed? I searched all over the Iinternet and the ads says Bohyme is "remy" hair. I thought "remy" meant the cuticle was intact. But then I heard that Bohyme has been processed. And what in heck is a bohyme? I even looked it up on Wikipedia and couldn't find it. I'm probably just not looking in the right place but I've had a dickens of a time trying to get a straight answer to these questions. TIA for any help or information on this.

Edited by kristie m - April 17 2007 at 11:28am
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Now, I really don't know the answer here, but from random stuff I've heard here and there, is that it is a mix of indian and asian hair (even though indian...would be...the same as asian hair?) So I'm guessing that would mean indian and chinese hair? But then from others I've heard blend of european.

I believe it might be different textures come from different regions? I am pretty much just as confused as you though! Just trying to repeat what I've read!
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I can only tell you the information that the Bohyme reps have given me. And to be quite honest I think they are rather secretive of their process.

They claim they have a superiour process to lift and color hair, which is gentler than 'traditional' processes & chemicals used by many hair manufacturers. They say that the 'chemicals' they use are 'food grade' and gentler to the hair, and it takes 30 days to lift the color, whereas many companies lift and process the hair quickly to get the hair out the door and into the market.

Ive also been told when asked what type of hair this is, they said Asian and European, again...no specifics. Nor have I had the need to ask more, but Im sure they would supply it.

Again, this is the information Ive been given by Bohyme, and they dont give out a whole lot of info on their process. For me personally it really doesnt matter much to me what their process is, as long as the hair holds up well.

Ive also been told by other sources, that they do a smoothing process to the cuticles. Not a removal, but they smooth the cuticles, preserving the cuticles (at least to some degree). Hence the trademarked word "Remi" signifying Bohymes own process.

Here is a picture of the back of the Bohyme package.


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Whew! I guess my confusion from my efforts to become more informed about the origins of the different hair brands isn't because of my own stupidity after all. It sounds like some of the hair companies may be a bit secretive about where their hair comes from and the processes used to get the hair ready for the consumer.

It looks like Bohyme has a trademark on "Remi." It seeems that "Remi" might mean their process of taking cuticle-aligned hair and smoothing the cuticle so the Asian/Chinese texture matches Caucasian hair more closely?

I saw when I was looking around on the Internet that lots of companies use "remy" to describe their hair. I was under the impression that "remy" meant that the cuticle of the hair wasn't smoothed, processed or stripped in any way. But does it seem like "remy" has come to be used to describe almost any "quality Caucasian-textured hair" in the human hair industry.

Aaack! No wonder this is all so confusing. I was also wondering about where EP gets their Caucasian-textured hair. EP says they have "Italian" hair to match Caucasian textures... I'm guessing (because that article from BHM says that "'Italian hair' is actually Indian hair") that EP's Italian must be Indian hair with the cuticle partly removed? And then, what is EP's "European" hair? Does anyone know? I actually tried to clarify this with the staff at EP awhile back and didn't feel like I got much of a clear answer.

I'm sure not questioning that companies like Bohyme and EP sell high-quality hair. I also know that most consumers don't want or need to know these kinds of details before they buy their hair. I'm one of the strange ones who wants to know everything about the products I love and spend my money on.

Thanks to Sherrie for a quick, interesting response (I'd never read the Bohyme package... thanks for taking the time to post it) and thanks in advance for anyone who can help clarify my other questions as well. My mom always said I was way too nosy for my own good. I think she was right!   
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I've had a couple different types of Bohyme in my hair, including Silky Straight, Egyptian Wave, and another one which I'm not really sure.
(Body Wave maybe?)
And I can remember it feeling coarser and being "poofier," which attributed to it photographing really well from what I remember. But I can't really say that it would rank #1 in the kind of hair you're boyfriend would be dying to touch and run his fingers through. I mean, it wasn't 
sandpapery by any means, but the coarseness can be felt when touched, so it wasn't exactly a satin pillowcase either.
But like I said, it photographed pretty damn well, and took a lot of abuse from me. And when I say abuse, I'm not exaggerating.
 
Now I'm going to be trying the Virgin Body which is supposed to be finer in texture and supposedly silkier. However, there's really not as many reviews and photos of this type of hair. but from what I understand
(from what I have been able to find),
 the reason it's silkier and finer is because it's Indian, whereas the others are Asian, therefore being coarser.
 
But also, if I'm correct, the Egyptian wave is a combo in order to achieve the special texture it has (Asian and Indian together I believe).
 
But maybe there are European hairs mixed in too? If so, I'm thinking that might be part of the European Body/Virgin Body. But one of the things that I've come across in some of my reads is that most hair that claims to be European is actually Indian processed to be a European texture (much easier to do to Indian than to Asian I gather). I mean, that in the way they use the adjectives is more of a description of the texture, rather than the origin. Or a combination of the 2 so that technically it still gets to be called European.
 
 


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hmmm, and to add to the mix i've read that 'spanish' 'malaysian' and 'brazillain' hair are all referring to the types of processing not the country-of-origin of the hair.....which for me is merely an interesting fact, i really dont care where it comes from as long as it works for me....but for people who choose to spend extra money for a certain type, its all quite misleading
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Originally posted by nursie nursie wrote:

i really dont care where it comes from as long as it works for me....
 
 
Hehe, me too. Heck, I'd wear a horsetail on my head if it would look pretty and be soft. Those look to be about 22" anyway, plus they withstand all the tail flipping and blowing in the wind. If a horse can have non-tangly hair after all that galloping and frollicking, why can't I after just turning my head to the left LOL   Hmm.. H.H. acronym = Horse Hair?
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Originally posted by Quadratic Quadratic wrote:

Originally posted by nursie nursie wrote:

i really dont care where it comes from as long as it works for me....

 

 

Hehe, me too. Heck, I'd wear a horsetail on my head if it would look pretty and be soft. Those look to be about 22" anyway, plus they withstand all the tail flipping and blowing in the wind. If a horse can have non-tangly hair after all that galloping and frollicking, why can't I after just turning my head to the left [IMG]http://talk.hairboutique.com/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" />   Hmm.. H.H. acronym = Horse Hair?


i guess the horse's have 'cuticle intact-cuticle aligned nonprocessed-virgin-remi/y natural texture refined hair'!!
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I remember reading on a Bohyme package that the cuticle had been removed. It was on the original Bohyme package but it looked a tiny bit old...
I think Remy really means cuticle aligned, and "Remi" well maybe is the Bohyme original process
Bohyme works great for me, so that's what matters to me!
The question I had in mind about Bohyme was in fact a rather ethical question: I was wondering where the hair was coming from...since Bohyme is supposed to be asian hair (indian didn't work so well for me), it cannot come from those indian temples where they shave the women's heads for ceremonies, and I know that China is not really a free country or a model for human rights... and I can't help but wonder, how can they get such amazing hair in such big quantities, because Bohyme is a huge supplier, in the whole world...
Now, don't get me wrong, I am not accusing anybody of anything, and I LOVE my Bohyme, it's been the best hair I have ever had... but I can't help thinking, where is it from?!!!Geek
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See, that's the reason why I'm asking these questions as a consumer, Frenchie. By understanding the origins and processes used to make the products I support I'm able to make more informed choices all the way around.

It's a little disturbing to me to realize how little we know about the human hair business when some of us really care about human rights violations in the world. Others of us may just want to understand why some hair is priced higher than other hair or why some really expensive hair seems to last longer than other top-priced hair.

I've learned there are also some women who have a religious reason for needing to know the origin of their hair.   Apparently, the Chief Rabbi made a decree awhile back that because Indian hair is collected in a temple ritual of another religion, Orthodox Jewish women aren't allowed to use it for their sheitels (hairpieces used in observance of Jewish laws about women covering their hair in public.) I also learned that because of this change the demand for true Northern European hair has gone way up. This hair currently comes from parts of Northern and Eastern Russia, and is collected by agents, door-to-door, town to town, a ponytail at a time.

Learning about this helped me to understand why the Russian hair I wear is so expensive. Also, knowing that it is "true" European hair that hasn't been processed in any way allows me to feel confident after spending a bunch of money on it that it will remain soft and lustrous and last a long time. I don't spend money on luxury items because they're expensive or have an identifiable label. Value for me always involves an assessment of the quality of the product and its worth to me personally.
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I'm wondering why Bohyme is so secretive?

If I were selling a product I would need to know
what it was that I was selling.


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Originally posted by kristie m kristie m wrote:

and is collected by agents, door-to-door, town to town, a ponytail at a time.



can you imagine, a guy in a dark suit and sunglasses shows up on your doorstep requesting a deal on your ponytail!?
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Laughing, Nursie... The whole thing is so strange and interesting, isn't it? I read that there are whole families in Russia that have grown and sold their hair over and over for a long time.

You know, when I got my Russian hair I almost cried when I first saw it. It was so beautiful I couldn't imagine anyone having hair like that and cutting it off!
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had i been born into a russian family, they would have been waiting FOREVER for my hair to get even past my shoulders!!
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They'd take one look at MY hair and just dump me in the well!   I don't even have enough natural hair to make a paintbrush, let alone a ponytail!
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lol, they'd sell us to wagman primus and make paintbrushes out of us!!
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I'm a pure bread Russian, I got shorthanded!!!

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Originally posted by nursie nursie wrote:


can you imagine, a guy in a dark suit and sunglasses shows up on your doorstep requesting a deal on your ponytail!?


So you've met my associate have you?   


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Originally posted by malibu malibu wrote:

I'm wondering why Bohyme is so secretive?


Because there's someone around every corner ready to ride the backs of people who've worked hard to create and/or find a good product. Here's what should be on the back of every hair package...no more, no less...

It's hair. Wear it. If you like it, we got more.

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I understand your perspective, Amm. But I've got to say that your helpfulness when I was buying Elite Remy in answering all my questions about the hair was what convinced me to buy from you. Had you said "It's hair" when I asked you about it I would have never felt comfortable buying it from you.   
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