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Posted: January 18 2006 at 1:09pm
Lisa - I post about this again only because you are misinformed.
I am legally allowed to cut extension hair in my state. I cannot cut natural hair. We have discussed "getting around' this only in the sense that because I cannot do a complete blending all the time, I will need to coordinate with someone to do this for me. This is how I "get around' that issue. I would never attempt to cut hair when I have not been trained. Please refrain from saying I am trying to do things I should not.
As for pointing out Tangles lack of spelling/grammar abilities. If we are talking about being "professional', isn't written and verbal communication at the core of this? It says a lot about someone to me if they do not bother to proof what they put out to the world. It all goes back to professionalism. I'm sure Tangles is "one great person"...as you say...
I did your permanent make-up in exchange for you sharing knowledge. We had a trade agreement and now you feel used?
Clearly, I would not have known about the EM, or this forum if it weren't for you. What do you want? A gold star?
As for the color ring...I think it was $20? Is this right? Please confirm and I will mail you a check...
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Posted: January 18 2006 at 12:52pm
I never said that anyone had to be licensed to to great extensions!
They just need practice on more than a few heads before they call themselves 'professional' and charge big money for services.
I have had my own hair ruined by someone who was clueless to what they were doing, and it's not fun.
The law is Washington states that one can apply hair extensions as long as no chemicals are used and no cutting is involved. Laura, you know that you have wondered how to 'get around' the no cutting aspect of that law, we talked about it more than once.
That was very unkind and shows your true mean spirit by trying to point out the spelling errors in Tangles' post. Typos happen, and even if she can't spell, she's still one great person!
I never wanted to be mean to you, I don't like being mean to anyone. Eventhough I saw that I could probably never work with someone with such a controlling nature about them, I enjoyed spending time with you well enough and wish you well with your business endevors.
But I am not going to stand by and watch someone be totally rude to someone else. Tangles was pointing out the truth that is apparent, she was not rude to you, while you were terribly rude to her.
I did feel that I was used for information.
You wouldn't know about the Extend Magic or even this forum if I didn't share that information with you.
And by the way, you never paid me for the MB color ring that I bought for you.
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Posted: January 18 2006 at 11:40am
Cool! Glad you're sticking around! Best of luck and look forward to hearing you results!
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Posted: January 18 2006 at 11:24am
Sandy,
I am actually doing a EM removal this afternoon. As I stated when I began this post, I have been using Amm's oil for these removals and it works. I just was wondering if there was something out there that worked any better. I have hesitated in using acetone but it seems by the feedback here, that it is ok to use as long as it is used sparingly.
Also, I said earlier that I would not be posting anymore. I have received numerous very supportive personal messages from you all and have reconsidered. I am one of very few people to have an Extendmagic machine and I see value in that method. I will continue to share my finding/observations with you all. Thanks again to all of you who wrote me. I will post tonight about my removal I am doing this afternoon!
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Posted: January 18 2006 at 11:09am
Aphrodite,
Have you had an opportunity to try out any of the removal suggestions you received? Did some work better than others?
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Posted: January 18 2006 at 3:07am
Tangles - You really should educate yourself before you attempt to comment or defame others. Not all states require cosmetologist licenses to install extensions, or cut extension hair.
You have continuously incorrectly represented what my website states, and what I have stated here on the board. You cannot spell or use proper grammar. Perhaps instead of attempting to slander professionals who, for whatever reason, did not have to pay the "thousands" you did to educate yourself on doing hair extensions, you should invest some of that money into basic spelling and grammar lessons.
Your insecurity is unfortunate. I thought this board was for sharing. If you have such a problem with that....why bare you here?
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Posted: January 17 2006 at 6:36pm
thanks lisa and fab- for your imput-
Sher- i agree with you- espicially you can start your own business.
my point in all of this is why would someone who has not PRACTICED a removal method beforhand, install and then attempt to remove after the fact it is done on a client. your part about some not having any business doing extensions, i totally agree! i cant tell you the repair work i do daily from other stylist just starting out an making a mess on someones poor head! If your just starting out, good for you, start out and learn on a doll head! Then, go foward with clients or friends.
aphrodite- if you would of read what i was saying and not get so definsive, then maybe just maybe you would hear what we are trying to say, most times when someone gets hurt or defensive, there is usually some truth in whats bothering them.
i have never professed to be perfect, just professional at what i do.
what ever state you live in, you need a liscense to cut hair, wether it be extension hair or not, and certainly all extension hair needs to be cut to blend together.
i refuse to go tit for tat with you, i have a very successful business for over 15 yrs, have a great rep on this board, so saying rude things to me simply just doesnt work. As i stated in my first post, i was not trying to offend you. Far as trying to slander your abilities, that didnt even come to mind, i was just going off of what YOU said!
good luck to you.
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Posted: January 17 2006 at 6:32pm
I can GAURANTEE you that I know as much about extensions as many of the licensed professionals in my area....Ive called MANY and talked to them about doing MINE and I wouldnt even consider trusting my hair to ANY ONE of them in my area.
Ive been doing several methods for many years mostly on myself...and a few begging girlfriends . I DID NOT have any formal training, only videos....practice and THIS and a few other boards...but Im confident that I could do as good or BETTER than anyone in MY area that Ive ever spoke with.
There are many professions that people have worked their way to the top, and earned their title by hands on hard work...not through formal training or formal education. And they are NO LESS qaulified than someone who went to college or school to learn. And in many cases they are MUCH more qualified.
FOR GOD sakes....hair is NOT ROCKET SCIENCE....nor MEDICINE. I believe a DIYer or non licensed person with the talent, the desire, and the willingness to learn can become successful, qualified and capable of doing hair extensions. And for those that are in a state that doesnt require a cosmotology license, then they have the right to set up business....
Having said all that....I highly respect the professionals that have mastered extensions, the ones who have worked hard to learn all the different methods and who constantly are tweaking their knowledge....but trust me you are far and few between, and not all licensed professionals are equal...some have NO business being in business!
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Posted: January 17 2006 at 6:14pm
Aphrodite I understand your reaction to someone questioning your ability, but if you read tangles post again you will see she ment only the best in pointing out that you shouldn't be installing extensions if you are not experienced in how to remove them. I agree with what she said completely, I have had to learn to deal with honesty from people and it has really had a big affect on my life. Try to read your questions again and you will see where she was coming from!
fyi I know my spelling sux!
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Posted: January 17 2006 at 6:11pm
Please note that fighting in this community has rules.
NO, I repeat NO hair pulling allowed for obvious reasons.
Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
I can understand why any formally trained professional would feel upset and exploited by someone that hasn't made the same effort and investment to learn a trade as them.
It trivializes all their hard work.
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Posted: January 17 2006 at 6:04pm
Wow. Lisa. I am surprised and hurt.
I never once claimed to be a cosmetologist, my state does not require this to do hair extensions. The EM is new to most people, and as far as I know, many of you have never used it. I simply wanted to see if anyone has discovered something new to expedite removals.
I wanted to be the best extensionist I could and therefore have spent countless hours on this forum reading what the experts here have to share. I did not realize my questions were assinine. For those who feel this is the case, I apologize for wasting your time. I will not post again.
I have a very successful extensionist business even though I am relatively new to the field. I attribute this to natural talent, great advice from this board, and relationship/people skills that transcend professions. I wish you all great success.
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Posted: January 17 2006 at 5:48pm
Whoa....girls...please stop it! This board is a place for ANYONE to ask as many questions as necessary. Licenced....DIYers...whoever! Please....STOP it....I hate it when this stuff happens here.
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Posted: January 17 2006 at 5:38pm
Ok enough girls!
Laura, I have went out of my way to help you, and I didn't mind doing it, but if you seriously want to get into the business, than you must pay your dues in terms of paying money and taking the time to take classes and practice a lot to learn the craft, as many of us have done.
I think that's what annoys Tangles, and me as well, that we have spent big money and time on learning extensions, and some people try to exploit our knowlege without giving anything in return.
Tangles is a good friend on mine, a very helpful, kind, and spiritual person, and I will not stand by and watch someone jump down her throat for simply pointing out what turns out to be the facts.
You're right, Tangles doesn't know anything about your ability and what you have or have not done, but I do. Shall I let the cat out of the bag and tell everyone you're not licensed to do hair? You do excellent permanent make up, and have a nice tanning salon, but it is apparent that you aren't a hairstylist.
I'm not saying that an unlicensed person can't build a successful hair extension business, as the law permits, but invest the time and money that it takes, and then give something back to our hair community to whom you have so far only bombarded with assinine questions.
Sorry, I really didn't want to say anything, but your attitude is rude, pushy, and demanding, and that's not how you get ahead in this world, it turns people off to helping you.
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Posted: January 17 2006 at 3:39pm
Tangles - If we could all be as perfect as you...first of all, I would appreciate it if you would stop attempting to slander me and my abilities. You know nothing about either.
Your ignorance is sad. You know nothing about what I have or have not done. You know nothing about my education yet you presume to.
I certainly know how to remove what I install. I am simply exploring different methods and asking what has worked best for others, as there are many ways to both install, and remove, extensions successfully.
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Posted: January 17 2006 at 3:13pm
aphrodite-
im sorry i jjust dont get it, you are a liscensed stylist doing extensions on paying clients and you dont know how to remove the ones you are installing? shouldnt you have first practiced and learned on a doll head before you did on a client? i am sorry but i am so not trying to be hurtful, however i do so much repair work on clients from other folks who dont really know what it is they are supposes to be doing, it is really sad to see what work is going on out there. before i ever installed one single strand on Anyone, i practiced for weeks until i KNEW for sure what i was doing. poor removal can be detrimental to the integrity of the hair. i am very glad u are on here learning however, there are lots of classses you could be taking to learn all the methods hands on, espciailly since you are a stylist poromoting extensions. Again, donte take this wrong, i am not trying to offend you, i am just trying to gain understanding for your decision, besides the fact i am concerned for your clients and your reputation.
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Posted: January 17 2006 at 1:35am
Julie - do you use extendmagic on clients or just for yourself? I am interested in your thoughts about this method....
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