QuoteReplyTopic: hey guys, what is this?...shrinkies?... Posted: June 15 2005 at 4:54pm
I just used this for tipping the hair. I would just use keratin for fusion. These are clear glue sticks from the local craft/diy store that are used in a hot melt glue gun just to clarify what they are. The tip was still in tact when I moved the strand. The residue completely came out with the shrinkie remover. I will definitely keep you posted. I've just put some in someone's hair to try it with extentubes so I'll keep you posted whether they hold up in them as well xxx
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OKay so Amanda, you pretipped with craft glue, correct? And when you took the shrinkie and the strand out, the tip was still intact, even somewhat? Or did the tip disintigrate when you removed it? And the residue on the hair from the shrinkie/tip came out with shrinkie remover? Amazing. I wanted to try craft glue cuz my strands tipped with latex don't stay in for s*** - the shrinkies stay in fine, however.
And pls keep us posted with shrinkie fall out updates. Thanks!
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She did mention though that some of the craft glue melted into the hair when the heat was applied to the shrinkies, but that it came out with remover. That's what I was going on.
I might have to pick up some orange oil to try it out and compare with acetone.
Hmmmm, so you are saying that cheap craft glue
sticks are safe to use on our hair? If that's
true, we wouldn't have to order the more expensive keratin
sticks online. We could just save our money and go to
the craft store.
Actually, I'm pretty sure what she's saying is that it worked for
pre-tipping hair- not for actual fusion-style bonding. Someone else
here on the board (metalgirl?) had a girl come in with home-done fusion
done with craft glue, and it was reeeeeally bad.
Also, about Amm's shriknie residue remover: it's orange oil. Yes, just
orange oil. It sounds wimpy, but it's some strong stuff; if anyone has
ever used that "Fast Orange" auto-garage hand soap, then you know what
I mean- it cuts through engine grease like nothing else. If I were to
use any adhesive-based system, for sho' I would use the orange oil over
acetone. I feel how soft my nails get after using acetone polish
remover, and the thought of someone's hair being similarly soft makes
me skittish.
poly amide is kinda a broad term. some are goign to be more
susceptible to oil than others. Just like some are more
susceptible to acetone than others
from wikipdedia
polyamide
A polyamide is a polymer containing monomers joined
by peptide bonds. They can occur both naturally, examples being wool and silk, and can be made artifically, examples being Nylon and Kevlar.
The amino group and the carboxylic acid group can be on the same monomer, or the polymer can be consituted of different two
different bifunctional monomers, one with two amino groups, the other with two carboxylic acid or
acid chloride groups.
Amino Acids can be taken as examples of single monomer (if the difference between
R groups is ignored) reacting with identical molecules to form a polyamide:
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Hmmmm, so you are saying that cheap craft glue sticks are safe to use on our hair? If that's true, we wouldn't have to order the more expensive keratin sticks online. We could just save our money and go to the craft store.
I wouldn't personally use it because I don't want to have to work the oil remover into the bond and wait......I just like to place a drop of acetone and remove easily and instantly. But I guess it might be an alternative to keratin for anyone who doesn't mind doing more work to remove them.
Though if it's easily removed with oil, then why can't you remove the same glue with oil when you're using it for things that it's meant to be used for? Like, well, crafts?
I think most of these companies just advertise the inner lining of the shrinkies as keratin because that what the Doc originally started advertising it as. I've been told that it is polyamide which rings true. I tipped the hair for one client with hot melt clear craft glue sticks that are polyamide to apply it with shrinkies. Before I did this I tested it on my manniquin head. The craft glue tip seemed to remelt slightly when in the shrinkie and seemed to melt slightly into the hair and the finished shrinkie was absolutely rock hard like I've never felt before which made me very happy but also concerned what would happen when I took it out. Before I did the client install I removed the shrinkie and used Amm's remover and all products came out really easy even though the craft glue tip had quite obviously remelted onto the hair providing a really tight hold. I then installed my client and also put another one in my manniquin head. Its now been two weeks and the client hasn't had one shrinkie come out which is such a massive boost for me. I have been washing my manniquin head with the shrinkie/craft glue stick tip in three times a week for two weeks also to mirror the client's hair wash. The shrinkie is still rock hard. Last night I removed it and the residue came straight out again with Amm's remover. I think tipping with clear hot melt craft glue sticks is the way to go guys! xxx Test it for yourself. The shrinkie goes rock hard like you've never experienced before and it holds and then it comes straight out with Amm's remover. The only drawback I can find is that perhaps someone with a sensitive head wouldn't like the fact that the shrinkie went so hard but my client says they are really comfortable. xx I am keep a vigil with her and will report back every week with shrinkie fall out progress xx
Thanks Sherrie. I heard it had a keratin coating from someone selling them on ebay who was obviously not correct9N.B. not the seller that i posted the link of, it was someone else). That was nice of the seller from the link to come on here and clarify.
Bird - i use an oil also to remove fusion extensions sometimes instead of acetone. I leave it to sit on the bonds for a bit before i begin to remove.
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Ive never experienced anything that I can see from acetone, but for me, my fine, thin, color and bleach damaged brittle, dry hair....I cant see acetone being good. When I put the acetone on, my hair completely soaks it up. I think my fingernails are a bit stronger than my hair! I like the ease of removal with acetone, but I know its not a good thing for my hair.
If you ask Amm she may be able to tell you more about the citrus remover.
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I have never experienced any problems with acetone. It dries your hair out a bit, but that's easily fixed with a shampoo and conditioner. It's not permanant. It never damages my fingernails either.
That's interesting about the citrus remover removing keratin too. I'm going to stick with acetone because I don't want to have to wait for it to soak in if I don't have to. Acetone is quick and easy. I'd still be interested in knowing what's in the citrus remover though.
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Mocha my reply was to Shel in the original first post.( Sorry if it sounded like I was questioning you) I think sometimes it all just gets so confusing, what is keratin what is glue.... I know some shrinkies 'claim' that their adhesive inside is keratin, (of course not to be confused as glue! LOL)
Bird, yes I have used Amms citrus remover on my last removal of fusion bonds, just wanted to see if it worked and it did. No not like acetone. I left it sit on the bonds and soak in awhile. Then crunched & removed. It works, takes longer...but Im sure its healthier than acetone!
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How exactly did you remove the keratin with the citrus remover? I've tried many extension removers and different oils to remove keratin, but it didn't work. Maybe I didn't give it long enough or work the removers in well enough. When I remove my keratin bonds, I place a drop of acetone on the bond and squeeze with pliers. That crumbles it and turns it into a powder that I brush out. I haven't found anything else that does the same thing. That's the main reason I don't use anything that requires an oil based remover. It seems like you have to work the remover in to get the glue out and I'm not that patient. What does that citrus remover have in it? And did it work like acetone (one drop, one squeeze of the pliers, and brush out)?
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No the adhesive inside the shrinkie is not keratin.The dual walled tubing was around long before anyone got the idea of using them for hair extensions. Yes the shrinkies are a dual walled shrink tube, the inner 'wall' is the adhesive (thats my understanding too) The single walled just DONT work.
And I will say that the citrus remover from shrinkies.net also worked on my keratin fusion bonds.
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Bird I totally agree its not actually keratin on the inside.
however at some point I bothered to look up what the glue was for the MIL specs on the dual wall stuff.
and Its really not tooo far off.
I mean there are only so many basic types of glue. milllions of
variants in each category, but only so many basics. Anyhow, whats
really frustrating is that you can't find any good info on what the
heck *keratin* glue actually is.
However assuming its not just a name keratin = protein
and so did the glue for the heat shrink tubing. well in the most
basic way. clearly there was some finagling going on.
also there are tons of types of heat shrink tubing. PVC,
polyolefin, blah blah blah. different ones have different
properties before and after shrinking
I'll go dig up that MIL spec info if you want.
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Hi, firstly I know very little about hair extensions, but a sudden rush of referrals from here made me curious.
I have several people who as far as I am aware buy the smaller sizes for use as shrinkies.
The MIL specs are AMS-DTL-23053/5, DEF STAN 59-97 and VG 95343 Pt5
It is polyolefin, single wall, no adhesive, 2:1 shrink at 100 degrees C.
One buyer did mention using a heat wand, maybe you could tell me what sort of temperature they reach? The dual walled adhesive lined 3:1 and 4:1 shrink at 110 degrees C.
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Further, it would make no sense to use a thin coating of keratin on the inside of heat shrink tubing. There wouldn't be enough keratin to make a difference. For keratin to actually work and have staying power, the strands must be saturated with it. And there just wouldn't be enough keratin in some thin coating inside a shrinkie. It would flake off within a few washes. So yeah, I'm really curious about exactly what kind of shrinkies everyone is talking about.
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It really doesn't make sense if shrinkies have keratin inside, and I really don't think they do. Here's why: keratin is removed with acetone. It doesn't come out with oil like shrinkie residue does. I know that heat shrink tubing comes in "dual walled", and the inside wall is actually what you're talking about when you are referring to the "adhesive lining". Basically, when you heat the tubing, the inside wall melts. That's the residue left over when you remove the shrinkie. And you use an oil based remover to remove shrinkie reside, but that won't work on keratin. I know that "shrinkies" are a thinner more flexible piece of heat shrink tubing, but I'd really like to know what kind of heat shrink tubing. Is it dual walled? In which case the residue is the melted inner wall. Or is it single walled with some sort of adhesive added? And if so, what is the adhesive? Because it sure can't be keratin.
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Yeah I've tried the no adhesive approach. I think it would be a
great idea for someone who wants weekend streaks that are more secure
than clip on streaks and less time consuming than PB's
other than that the adhesive free ones are sorely lacking in staying power
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