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    Posted: June 27 2005 at 5:57pm
Originally posted by TanglesRC TanglesRC wrote:


ps- i dont think u need a liscense to do hair extensions in
virgina- espcicially if your doing it at her home.


 



Well, when you really love what you do, you're really
good at it and 'IT' could be anything. Hey the American Dream
guys, with the thermo hair replied back- they do check their
emails after all ! I have requested their catalog since I am
asked to do more of the 'haute couture runway' hairstyles...

I'm not going to risk going to a stranger's house. I don't want to
get my license revoke.   Any amount of money is not worth the
risk! I told her of Pam in Maryland who's closer, but she just
wants me - okay!!!-- horray!!!

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clients drive to you because of your care and integrity you put into your work. Plus your work ROCKS!!

ps- i dont think u need a liscense to do hair extensions in virgina- espcicially if your doing it at her home, check with state board over there. i have been flown quite a bit and didnt require a liscense since i wasnt working in a salon and we didnt do any chemicals.

 

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Originally posted by purrmachine purrmachine wrote:

However, sometimes the opposite seems true with hair extensions. I"ve seen so many girls pay thousands for great lengths, other fusion methods and hairlocs, only to have their hair trashed and experience slipping and other issues.

I am convince that it is NOT the method, it could be the maintenance or the stylist did not do it correctly, etc...

Originally posted by purrmachine purrmachine wrote:

They then try out a method like pinchbraids, heat seals or shrinkies for so much less with little to no damage, and a beautiful result.  Even if I was a millionaire, I would still be doing pinchbraids/heat seals with monofibre hair versus the highly marketed and highly priced "hair extensions systems".

I love all kinds of extensions.  I am NOT predjudice.  I never force a method on anyone. But if you were my client and I don't know what kind of experiences you had in the past with other stylists, but I would ask you these same questions:

-What's your lifestyle?  How long do you intend to have these on?  What is your budget?, etc...etc...etc...  I give them samples so they can try before they buy.  In my business, I give whatever the client wants.  I love to make my clients happy.  I get much more REFERRALS that way!  

Originally posted by purrmachine purrmachine wrote:

I'm sure that you, as a salon owner, are presenting your most expensive methods as "the best"

Hair extensions are expensive in the first place, hello???  And I am charging for MY TIME.  If anyone feels that they should not pay a PROFESSIONAL to do their hair extensions, or their breast implants, then by all means avoid PROFESSIONAL FEES.  I charge $150-$200 per hour for doing cheap hair or expensive hair. 

I just did a 'trash to treasure' fantasy hair and the got paid $3500 for an 8 hour job.  I used your favorite- monofibre - it wasn't heat sealed or pinch braids- it was BOBBY PINS {hahahaha}.

You know, YOU STILL HAVEN'T TOLD ME MUCH ABOUT YOU & YOUR BUSINESS. {got something to hide?  PM ME!!!}

PS. I don't know what experiences you had in the past.  You sound like a victim who had been RIPPED OFF or something.  My condolences to you.  I hope you will find your dream hair extensionist someday. 

WORD OF ADVICE FOR ANYONE:  When hunting for a hair extensionist, make sure you know completely what type of hair & method you want since it is your hair, your lifestyle. 

I love smart clients who tell me, "this is what I want, this is what I can afford, I have done enough research and want to fully commit to spending my money on this kind of hair and this type of method". 

I hate the people that needs to be convinced.  Those people are a waste of my time.  It takes me 4-15 hours per client, I don't have time to twist their arm.

Clients come to me traveling within a 4 hour driving radius.  They feel comfortable with me.  In fact I got some Virginia lady who wants to fly me first class and do her hair over there, but I'm not Virginia license .  I also believe that if someone likes you as a person, they will travel long distance just to see you even if they are closer to a cosmopolitan city.

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Hi Charlene,

I imagine your clients may want to pay you thousands versus hundreds because it is the ingrained mentallity of "you pay for what you get", which is true in most aspects of life.  However, sometimes the opposite seems true with hair extensions. I"ve seen so many girls pay thousands for great lengths, other fusion methods and hairlocs, only to have their hair trashed and experience slipping and other issues.  They then try out a method like pinchbraids, heat seals or shrinkies for so much less with little to no damage, and a beautiful result.  Even if I was a millionaire, I would still be doing pinchbraids/heat seals with monofibre hair versus the highly marketed and highly priced "hair extensions systems". 

I'm sure that you, as a salon owner, are presenting your most expensive methods as "the best" (and nothing wrong with that, I run a business too!) and that influences their decision.  But it's great that you offer so many methods, and your clients can choose what works best for them.

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this silicone stuffs pretty good, its 'general all purpose silicone'

easy to work with although a bit sticky, doesn;t smell, is clear so can be used on any hair colour, dries in about 1 hour :)

 

coin is a 5p, sams size as a us penny i think.

The bond is a good one, and is flexible, not all yakky and hard.  i haven't coated with nail glue yet but it seems perfect for going under microrings, i still need to see if it melts though, how do i test this?

sorry for bad application here: this is what happens when you find random objects in toolboxes because you dont have the proper tools to hand.



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ohhhhh

thi stuff rules!

or it seems to anyway!

 

and lasts for 20 years! :P

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ok i found some silicone, well, 5 tubs of the stuff to be exact!

will report back soon..

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Any luck finding the sillicone?  Does it create a kind of plastic coating when its cured?

I'm trying to think of other special things to tip with!
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Originally posted by purrmachine purrmachine wrote:

But I cannot justify paying hundreds of dollars for a batch of manufactured hair, especially since it doesn't even last through multiple applications.  I guess they'll charge for it as long as there are people out there willing to pay for it.

That's what I thought so too!  I was like, "you're going to make me pay more than what I pay for Great Lengths?";  "you're going to make me meet a quota?";  "you won't even let me market in my other locations?";  "you're even considering infringement action on my company name?" {that really threw me off after I paid for the class and airfare tickets, I felt I got screwed and fell on a trap}.

I am a HAIR EXTENSIONS COLLECTOR.  I buy anything new {have to hear great reviews first, though}

To make a long story short, the majority of my clients come to me because they learned about my company online.  They did their research and made up their minds and want to pay me their thousands.

I never force a method on somebody.  They see, they feel, they research EXTENSIVELY prior to paying thousands of dollars...  They become smart enough to appreciate quality inventions.

Purrmachine- not everyone will afford this or even like it.  In fact, some hate cyberhair.  That is why I offer alot of other techniques!

Charlene

PS. And you?  What kind of methods do you do?  I'm looking for some cheap hair too.  I need them for my fashion shows because I believe that using expensive would be wasteful for a look that calls for "I day hair fantasy".  I would like to buy some thermo hair but in fancy colors.  I need a FIRE look of reds, oranges, and bright yellows.  Thanks!

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As far as cyberhair goes, I have a problem with a company that would charge so much $$ for synthetic hair.  I understand human hair being expensive, being that it is in limited supply.  But I cannot justify paying hundreds of dollars for a batch of manufactured hair, especially since it doesn't even last through multiple applications.  I guess they'll charge for it as long as there are people out there willing to pay for it.
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Originally posted by Save~A~Stray Save~A~Stray wrote:

I think fusion extensions are the most damaging overall.

Please explain...

Originally posted by Save~A~Stray Save~A~Stray wrote:


I have heard that Cyberhair is great stuff. The attachment is
interesting looking too. What are the requirements to get
Cyberhair?

Actually, the US daughter company, International Hairgoods, were the ones who solicited this cyberhair to me.  After 2 years of comtemplating, I decided to add it to my collection.  One of the reasons for my decision was because they added an 18" cyberhair strand.  In the past it was only 10".  Plus they offer 'micropointlinks'.  In other words, it is 4 cyberhairs tied to 1 single growing human hair giving the look of fuller hair without a hairpiece.

The requirements is

1- First, the company has to find out if you fall within a non-cyberhair territory.  Which means, depending on where you service, there are to be no cyberhair dealers within a 250,000{?} resident radius. {PM me and I'll give you their #}

2- You also need to meet a quota.  My contract states that I have to sell 200 strands a month- that's easy for me.

Aderans- the inventors and parent company, is expanding their cyberhair extension collection and will introduce 'texture' hair for my ethnic clients.  At this time, these 'texture' accents are being tested by one of my ethnic clients and, you know, she loves them!!!  The test instructed her to maintain her hair as if she has no extensions in them.  She, like myself was impressed with the results after her 3 week trial!  Unfortunately, Aderans could not make huge quantities as of now and therefore my client had to settle on my 'homemade' human hair pretips.

I can't find any company who sells pretip ethnic hair

If you also have clients who are thinning or hair that is so weak for extensions, then SAS this is a great option to add to your collection.  This happens to be the #1 selling extensions in my business.

Also I find this hair company to be very innovative {utmost important to me as a professional}.  They are parents of companies as the one mentioned above and also Bosley Medical.

Hope this helps, Charlene

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Originally posted by Save~A~Stray Save~A~Stray wrote:

I actually really enjoy
making them…I know very few do like this job but I really love it.
That’s why I though I would check out silicone tipping for a
change. 

SAS- do you know of any medical person to probably give you some of this stuff?  My bottle has NO name.  It's looks like a 'sample' bottle you get when you ask for testers at The Body Shop.

ME?  I HATE TIPPING.  I would pay anybody who loves to tip.



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Hahahaha…….oh, ::secret silicone:: I know that one well!!
Hahahaha

I don’t think MB will tip just *any* hair. I have spoken to Mark
and he said that very kinky hair or any type of hair with a
silicone coating is not something they will usually manufacture
tips for. He said he has tipped synths for film/TV work. Well, he
did say that he really tries to accommodate the stylist with the
hair they want to use. He is a very nice person to talk to. I am
still looking for good tipping backups as not everyone will be
using Shrink Links or can even afford it!! I have always used
LG and nail glue for making my own tips. I actually really enjoy
making them…I know very few do like this job but I really love it.
That’s why I though I would check out silicone tipping for a
change.

I am trained in MB Shrink Links & Prostyles, I also do Links/
Rings/Tubes, Euro Interlock Weaves and different combos. I
really like the Shrink Links the most….and those tips!! Although
no method is the miracle method, they all have there flaws. I
think fusion extensions are the most damaging overall.

I have heard that Cyberhair is great stuff. The attachment is
interesting looking too. What are the requirements to get
Cyberhair?

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Hi- Thanks- Syren!!!

Originally posted by Save~A~Stray Save~A~Stray wrote:

Hi Charlene,

I did wonder a while back if this would be a GL issue. Now we
know!! Do you like GL or Hairlocs hair quality better? Do you
see damage or clients with thinning hair after continuous
applications/removals with the GL?


Yeah, let's forget about pretipping GL- yikes!
As far as hair quality. If you're asking me, me personally
am not a big fan of human hair. Currently, my fave is the
Cyberhair- I just do. I love the tiny attachment, the fact that I can
wash and go - minimal styling, the fact that I can color my hair
and the hair won't get color. No anti-tap to worry about.
Talk about human and synthetic all-in-one- the best of both
worlds!!!

But, you know, I love hair so damn much that I try anything
that's new. I'm gonna try Plastikhaar soon!

I have to admit that the GL hair, for human, man does it wear
better- I'd say. But then I get clients who hate GL and clients
who hate HairLocs and then there are those that hate weaves
or synthetic or cyberhair and then there are some living in the
'dinosaur ages' - so it's good to have a lot of choices!

As far as extensions damage. What I have witnessed
throughout many years of new and old methods, I'm convince
that it is NOT the method itself- but the maintenance of the
person or how the person was educated by her stylist. For
instance, I've surveyed 2 clients with equal amouts of hair and
same method. One client's hair looked like yuck and the other
was still beautiful... {mmm...reminds me of my car and my
friend who has the same car as I do- his is beat up!!! }

So yeah, the more you keep having extensions, any kind, your
hair won't be the same as before. {you know like fake nails,
duh?}

Also have to say, that anything fake is a sure risk- just like hair
color or perms- hey even ponytail holder {a-ha!}. If a client tells
me, "so will hair extensions damage my hair?" I tell her,
"BEAUTY IS A SACRIFICE. IF YOU FEAR IT, DON'T BOTHER
WASTING YOUR MONEY. PERIOD!"

Originally posted by Save~A~Stray Save~A~Stray wrote:


Charlene, can you please post a big pic of just the silicone
container/tube?…that’s all I need and I will do the searching. I
just need a start. I have found some medical silicones, so I can
just match the containers/tube or at least narrow the search
from the zillion medical silicones out there. There is no
company name on the back or anything like that? That’s a little
strange……

Yes, MB is a great product!! I am a MB affiliate….love the perma
plugs!! I still have never come across anything better with that
plastic like tip. The shrink links are great too!!


{hahahaha} you're so funny. Stick to your MB. Forget about my
homemade silicones {hahahahaha}. There's are NO
comparison to MB. His are the real McCoys. Compare to his?
Mine suck
See, if I find the REAL DEAL, I'm not interested in 'reinventing
the wheel'.   Will take his class soon- promise

So, you, what methods do you do?
And which ones you think are better?
Damage-wise? GL? HL?

Charlene

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Has anyone tried tipping with acrylic?

I mean, as in the stuff you use to create artificial nails?? It dries super hard and super fast, ya know the powder stuffyou mix with the liquid?? I have some im thinking of trying it was it goes REALLY hard, and maybe it wont even need coationg with nail glue?

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Hi Charlene,

I did wonder a while back if this would be a GL issue. Now we
know!! Do you like GL or Hairlocs hair quality better? Do you
see damage or clients with thinning hair after continuous
applications/removals with the GL?

Charlene, can you please post a big pic of just the silicone
container/tube?…that’s all I need and I will do the searching. I
just need a start. I have found some medical silicones, so I can
just match the containers/tube or at least narrow the search
from the zillion medical silicones out there. There is no
company name on the back or anything like that? That’s a little
strange……

Yes, MB is a great product!! I am a MB affiliate….love the perma
plugs!! I still have never come across anything better with that
plastic like tip. The shrink links are great too!!

Nice pirate pic!!

Thanks in advance


Metalgirl~love the pic


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Originally posted by CyberMane CyberMane wrote:

Talk about 'trash to treasures'. Here is the model I did using all that recycled hair   www.starrd.com

Charlene



GO, Charlene!!!

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Originally posted by metalgirl metalgirl wrote:

It reminds me of a skit that I saw on some comedy show on tv a few years back that was poking fun at the Hair Club.  They called it the "Pubic Hair Club for Men" and had a bunch of guys with pubic hair toupees on saying how much they loved their new hair!



Okay...in the Middle Ages, there was a thing called a mirkin - a pubic hair toupee! I don't even want to know why that would be necessary or considered attractive. And why I know such a thing says alot about the friends I had when I was younger....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CyberMane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2005 at 11:53pm

LOL!  I tell you Lisa, whatever clients like, you know?

You see these models I did to the left of this post, right?  Well I got this last minute call to do a photo shoot in NYC and the designer wanted some Pirates of the Carribean theme.  So I used my old Dome monofiber, boiled some dreads, gathered some leftover wefted hair I had and voila!!!  The designer showed it to boutiques and this 'recycled hair' is going to be featured in the mags

Talk about 'trash to treasures'. Here is the model I did using all that recycled hair   www.starrd.com

See Lisa- anything, or anyhair goes

Charlene

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Pubic hair, now that's funny!

It reminds me of a skit that I saw on some comedy show on tv a few years back that was poking fun at the Hair Club.  They called it the "Pubic Hair Club for Men" and had a bunch of guys with pubic hair toupees on saying how much they loved their new hair!

You had to see it, it was funny at the time.

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