Yep, live and learn on both sides. The words "no refund" cannot be found. It is not reasonable to expect the consumer to make the assumptions based on similar businesses or that there are no refunds simply because the policy does not cover the subject. The policy needs to be clear and stated somewhere on the website even if it a link or button to the doc*ment.
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Lilmountaingirl, you bring up some good points, but even in the return policy you copy and pasted there is still nothing that says, NO returns! That is the whole thing that Trina is getting at.
She isn't saying she wants to exchange it, which is all you posted about. She is saying she wants a refund of her money and there isn't anything in there saying you can't return the hair.
I have seen places on Ebay where people are selling hair and they say in their auction or store, "Due to the nature of this product, we cannot except returns." Just because this is something that is probably a well known policy doesn't mean it should not be CLEARLY stated in the website.
If there is nothing on Your Hair Shops website stating that then Trina has every right to be saying what she is saying. If it hasn't been pointed out on the website then how would she know she couldn't get a refund.
As for your "policy" there is nothing during the buying process that required me to initial or click "I agree to these terms" which legally in the courtroom isn't going to stand, but that's besides the point......
If I do not have my money refunded to me, the sheriff will be serving you with papers for a small claims lawsuit and on the advice of my father who happens to be an attorney. I am suing you for the following:
-The original cost of my purchase $200
-The cost of the courier in an attempt to collect merchandise in a timely manner $75
-The different in hair I had to buy locally as a result of negligence $150
-The cost of the shipping I spent sending the wrong product back to you $4.25
-The original shipping fees I paid for $9.99
-It's a long shot but I'm going to tack on mental anguish as well in the amount advised to me by my father
And if you deliver product to me, I'm going to bring it back to you in person and continue to do so until we go to court.
First of all, I know for a fact that a website's policies & terms do stand on their own. You dont have to click anything or sign anything when placing an order to show that you accept their terms..... when you place an order through them, and send money- that is showing that you either accepted their terms, or just plain did'nt read them.
There is one thing I tell everyone that orders online.... it's easy to take a screen-shot of the website's terms & policies page. Not only will all their policies & info be there as evidence, but just as importantly a date and time will be provided too. This covers not only the web owner's backside, but often also the consumer's as well.
My husband breeds exotic reptiles and sells the captive-bred babies, and often he's had to place orders for breeding stock online. He always takes a screen-shot of the website's policies to make sure they cant alter their terms or conditions after a transaction, in case things go sour. Twice he's had animals shipped dead-on-arrival, and luckily he had screen-shots of the terms & policies to back his cause.
I know the reptile business is completely different from buying hair extension hair online.... one thing I do know from doing my own hair extensions and having to buy supplies online- no businesses I've ever dealt with accept returns on hair. I believe it's a health related policy. I'm sure someone can elaborate further on this. I've boughten hair from Sally's Beauty Supply, as well, and they always tell me when making my purchase that they dont accept returns.
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I agree the personal attacks are getting out of hand. I know though, that things can get intense when there is cash involved.
Unfortunately for Kristin, I just looked at her website and I couldn't find anywhere that states a policy of no refunds on any products. It only explains the policies concerning payment, shipping and exchanges.
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This is plain rediculous.I have ordered different things from kristin and have always had exceptional service and speed.Plus for everyone disappointed with the glue-free shrinkies.Join the club.Noone has had good luck with them.They just dont work without glue.I dont care if there from kristins site or even amms site.THEY DONT WORK.If you do a search on them people have been trying them forever with no luck.
And Kristin has been on this board a long time.And never before has anyone had any complaints about her business ethics until now.I think it can be chalked up to a misunderstanding.I'm sorry that you are out so much money tjoh,but she is still offering to send your hair even after being slandered on the board.Maybe take her up on it.Just my two cents.
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Ok first off, I take responsibility for not commenting in the actual papal order. As soon as it went through I thought "uh oh" so I sent an email immediately after. Whether or not I put the correct subject line in the email, I did communicate what I wanted to you. It's not my fault you don't read your emails in a timely basis and overwork yourself to exhaustion. Regardless, I received the wrong product. If you want to place blame on my for not communicating with you in the most convenient way for Kristen, fine.
I sent it back because it was the wrong hair, not the wrong color. When I saw the hair all together I thought it was slightly more brown than I had hoped and since I had to send it back anyway, asked if there was a redder option. I want to be clear that I was not "exchanging" anything. If it had been the right hair in the first place, I would have just thrown a red glosser on it and installed in time for my event.
As for your "policy" there is nothing during the buying process that required me to initial or click "I agree to these terms" which legally in the courtroom isn't going to stand, but that's besides the point.
You are wrong. Bottom line is that you shipped me the WRONG product and feel unaccountable because I didn't communicate my request in the most convenient way for you.
You shipped me the wrong product, I sent it back at my own charge like an idiot.
You provided papal with FALSE information/proof that merchandise was delivered to me which we both know is a lie because I sent it back to you.
I am an educated, professional woman with impeccable ethics in business. Sometimes in business, there are times when we have to make exceptions when there is a miscommunication that is partly our own fault. You have your merchandise, unopened and brand new. There is no reason as to why you wouldn't refund me my money with the exception alone that you just wanted to corner a customer that’s already paid you money.
I said it before, and I'll say it again I want you to keep that money and don't even think about sending my the wrong product or any product for that matter.
The only thing I want back is my money and I'm going to give you until Monday to do so and let us part ways amicably.
If I do not have my money refunded to me, the sheriff will be serving you with papers for a small claims lawsuit and on the advice of my father who happens to be an attorney. I am suing you for the following:
-The original cost of my purchase $200
-The cost of the courier in an attempt to collect merchandise in a timely manner $75
-The different in hair I had to buy locally as a result of negligence $150
-The cost of the shipping I spent sending the wrong product back to you $4.25
-The original shipping fees I paid for $9.99
-It's a long shot but I'm going to tack on mental anguish as well in the amount advised to me by my father
And don't you for one second think that people aren't smart enough to realize the only reason you're willing to send me anything now is because I aired a very nasty side of you. I appreciate your attempt to redeem yourself though.
And if you deliver product to me, I'm going to bring it back to you in person and continue to do so until we go to court.
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All that was meant by that is that she is not telling me what she wants so I have no choice but to send her back her original order which would not give her a chance to use her $200 credit for something else. I don't want to keep her products so what am I supposed to do if she does not tell me what she wants???? I have no choice but to send back her original order.
I NEVER have slammed Shrinkies.net and there's no way I ever could have- I have not tried any of her products. You are obviously trying to start something and it's eally not fair. Tangles and I have talked about Shrinies.net over IM and she can confirm that I've never said anything bad about the company. Many emails come in about how D-LUX compare to Lush and I've always replied that I have not had a chance to try the Lush so I don't know. MANY of you who have PM'ed me can more than verify that.
As for the email she copy and pasted above I wrote her back and apologized for that sounding bad with this last email I wrote her:
I'm sorry that what I said did come out badly as I'm re-reading it and I take full responsibility for that. I intend on giving you back you original order immediately if Paypal decides in my favor. As I will be sending it immediately- I am just sticking to the policy and you have 21 days from placing your order to exchange any items and since no item has been specified you will be shipped back your original order and you won't get the $200 credit for something else. I'm sorry the way it was written poorly in the last email, I have no intention of taking/keeping your money without delivering your product back to you in perfect condition.
We sold about 15 packs of stick hair to people off the boards who and ALL of them made a note of it in their order as I specified for them and you to do. All of those orders were orders for them were shipped out with in 24 hours and done exactly as specified to do. I never said 'just drop me an email' it was ALWAYS 'please write it in the comment section of your order'. Also, under our contact page the very first option is to click there to contact us about 'making a change to your order'. If you would have clicked on that your email would have been given an automatic subject line 'Making a change to an order' we check for these every morning while printing out our packing slips and your email did not come with a subject line saying anything about making a change to your order so it was EASILY overlooked and not read until that evening. Please go back and check your email to us where you wanted to change your order- your subject said nothing about being changed and it was therefore accidentally overlooked. We get about 20-30 emails a day If I'm sure many businesses do. Subject lines are there to describe what your email is about and if something was said to the effect of making a change to your order it would have been opened and processed immediately.
We strive to keep our customers happy by bluntly listing our policies and having a lightening fast turn around time on orders. This is all done to keep you the buyer happy. To do this all of our orders must be packaged and shipped by 11am before my clients arrive for their appointments so we scan the emails for any important ones ('making a change to an order' 'please cancel my order' or something to that effect), process and ship out the orders, and then I get on with my clients. After we got the orders shipped I work on clients for another 7-8 hours, then come back answer our many daily emails, give free advice to those on the boards as a favor to anyone interested in extensions, then I have about 30 minutes of downtime before I go to bed to start the whole day over. It's freaking exhausting and a large percentage of it I do for free to those who have never or will never be a customer of mine. We are very busy around here and we do our best to offer free help, demos, and some of the lowest priced extension products on the entire web. All that we ask is that when people order from us that they read the policy and agree to it as they order- it's there to resolve conflicts as this.
We were never tardy with our emails and you must admit your making a change to your order could have been done a little more effectively by at least filling in the subject line with the subject of your email. We are still willing to allow you to pick out something else from the shop up to your $200 and even ship it to you for free. Heck you could even sell whatever you got on Ebay- I don’t care. The bottom line is that we shipped you what you ordered, were never tardy on emails (responding in less than 24 hours is extremely quick for any business), and have tried hard to resolve this with you. If you do not wish to resolve this please continue with your Paypal case and they can resolve it for us.
I did and still do have some packs of the shoelace tips but they were picked up rather quickly by some of our local salons in the area which is why I never added them to the site. Many of you did order them from me and you WERE able to write that you wanted them in shoelace tip in the comment section of you order just as 'frantic' snd 'aphrodite' confirmed above. I do not understand how she is the only one who would have been unable to make a comment in her order- it's not as if the format of the site changes from peoson to person.
tjoh99 did order 2 packs of the D-LUX hair in kera-tip with no comment on her order about changing them to shoelace tips. She did send an email out to us to correct her mistake of not specifying it in her order but her subject line in her email said nothing about her order or it needing to be changed. On our 'contact us' page the very first option is 'click here to contact us about making a change to your order' that option will automatically enter the subject line 'making a change to an order' It's not necessary that you contact us this way but it is there to help us sift through emails. If the subject line would have mentioned anything about a order it would have been opened and processed immediately. When we print out all packing slips each morning we scan all of our emails to make sure no one had needed anything canceled or changed and nothing was seen that day due to her subject line not reflecting her email. I don't have a chance to get back to 30 emails before I pack and ship all orders so if you've got something important to say it would be a good idea to at least put a note of it in the subject line. Her order was shipped out first thing in the morning and her email was not read until later that evening. I have apologized many times for not catching this for her but I had given her specific instructions to add it in the comment section of her order as many of you did so her order would arrive correctly.
She contacted me via email letting me know the color of the hair was wrong and she was sending it back to exchange it for another color. I replied that i would be looking for it to arrive. It came quickly by mail and I emailed her to let her know I had recieved it and to let me know what I could ship her back out so I could ship it out that same day. She mentioned that she was only about 45minutes away and that she wanted to send someone to pick it up that same day. I shouldn't have allowed her to try this because whoever she sent was unable to find us (the door can be tricky to find here in our building but this is not my fault). Please note if she would have allowed me to ship it to her I would have re-shipped it out for free and she would have had it the next day. She blames me that she paid someone $75 to come pick it up and that she came back empty handed- we were here all day so there is no reason they should have come back with nothing.
She said she didn't want to pay to have the person come back by so to please ship it to her. I replied 'no problem, please just confirm what you'd like.' I got a return email that stated 'I just went and bought some hair at a beauty supply store- please refund my money'. I wrote her back and reminded her of our policy that we do not offer refunds and that she is more than welcome to keep her credit with us or have us ship her out anything else with her credit. Our policy is written on both of our online shop pages very bluntly and it is also written on each and every packing slip so she is more than aware that we no not offer refunds, just exchanges. She responded by filing a Paypal claim. I had nothing to do with the claim and I had nothing to do with the response that was given for my side of the claim- Paypal automatically pulled the shipping information and never gave me a any 'respond to seller' option. I sent her many emails telling her we have a policy for a reason and just because you bought hair elsewhere did not change our policy. We were and still are more than willing to offer her an exchange.
If she would just let me know what she wanted I would package it up and ship it this very second but she has chosen not to. When you buy from a online shop you agree to their policy and many sites do not even offer an exchange like we do. I have always been more than helpful to each and every one of you and I tried over MANY emails to resolve this with her as she threatens to take me to small claims.
Tjoh99 you still have $200 credit- If you'd just tell me what you want I'd get it out to you right away. If you don't tell me what you want I will ship you out exactly what you sent back to me in an effort to resolve this.
It's a very sad situation and I'm sorry it was brought out to the boards for all to read but please know that we have sent her many emails asking lettign her know she has $200 credit and she can choose whatever she wants from the shop and we will even ship it to her for free.
If you continue with your Paypal buyer complaint and it is granted in our favor we will no longer offer you your $200 store credit for putting us through that. If you drop your Paypal complaint we will be more than happy to offer you your $200 towards anything we sell and we can even ship it out to you today.
Sincerely,
YourHairShop.com
That is just wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!
She should be bending over backwards trying to get the right product to you, and making sure that you are happy. The highest compliment is a referal. A store closer would be to act the way she is acting now!!
You just can't treat people in the way that she is treating you, not only is it bad business, but it is bad KARMA!!!
Good luck!!
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Yep, I'm thinking Tangles is the one. I'm in North Orange County,
probably 30 mins. from her when there is no traffic. I've been more than
impressed so far by her feedback. It is great that you can bring your own
supplies to save money, too. Thanks for the confirmation that I'm making
a good choice!
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I haven't gone to tangles myself
yet, but she seems like a very ethical business woman. Her prices are
VERY VERY fair, especialy if you bring in your own supplies. I'm in
hollywood right at Franklin & Vine and she's only about 45 min from
me. Not too far at all if your in the LA area.
When you're ready, I would look into her services. She's a very nice lady
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I do have the shipping receipt from
when I sent it back to her. For some reason paypal sided with her
without even asking me for backing doc*ments. I don't have a signed
delvery confirmation, but I do have emails from her stating that she
got the hair back from me.
I'm going to call and try to talk with a manager to explain my situation and see what they can do.
I'm also looking into small claims court.
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She may have some say concerning HOW the refund is handled, but definately does not have the right to say WHETHER the refund will be given, that would be fraud and theft.
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Trina, thank you SO much for your posts about this. It was gutsy of you
to be willing to tell your story here. I can't imagine that you would be
banned for posting the truth.
I too am a So Cal person, and am becoming interested in having my
extensions done professionally once my hair grows a bit more. There are
several extensionsists who post on this board; I will end up choosing
amongst them, I'm sure. I am most particular about the professionals I
rely on, whether it be for cosmetology services or medical or dental care.
Being a good extensionist isn't enough for me -- I want someone who is
decent and ethical as a businessperson as well. I do so appreciate your
alerting me about the business practices of someone I was considering
for my extension needs.
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